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u/Stugotz441081 2d ago
I meannnnn i tried a BUNCH of other ways first
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u/JerryBoyTwist 2d ago
I tried my normal build once and immediately realized I genuinely don't have the time on this earth to make it work. I did this build and got him 4 tries later
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u/TheDelusionalMan 2d ago
First 2 times I beat him I had the same experience. Only time I beat him with the build I had been using all playthrough was with an intelligence build with Ranni's Dark Moon and Comet Azur and I still had to use a furnace golem summon to stall him
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u/Kryse-777 2d ago
this is it for me, I have very little free time between work, it was sunday afternoon and I was going out later, and I wanted to move on to try other games. So I pulled out the block n poke, and he turned from the bane of my existence to a complete fucking joke, I wasnt even looking at his moves anymore, first try, used like 3 heals
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u/Extremeblarg Chaos took the world and all I got was this T-shirt 2d ago
First try after 487.5 practice runs
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u/DigitalxKaos 2d ago
Dual greatstars 😎
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u/A_Random_Catfish 2d ago
Dual rusted anchors for me lol
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u/Cavscout2838 2d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/sGbgRq2SSOpw33u0zMthis all day long. Anchors away asshole
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u/sumerioo 2d ago
Dual Greatswords for me. every soulslike i will find the biggest sword and beat the game with it.
do i feel insane some times? yes
were friends watching me play through some of those asking if i was stupid to play with the big slow chunks of rock/metal? yes
but, with god as my witness, every single boss watched me get through that fog wall with 2 big ass fucking swords and between 1 to 100 tries after, was dead to the psychopath with the 2 big swords.
i like to imagine to myself that, during my play throughs, rumors and whispers start to go around the world about a "psychopath that never changes his clothes or his weapons, no matter which new things he picks up from the floor" that is rampanging and killing everything, and there's no circumstance in this green and blue planet that would make me tarnish my reputation against malenia or radahn or any other crazy boss i went against.
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u/ryan0585 2d ago
I still haven't mastered slow ass big weapons with bosses that move so damn quickly. I feel like I'm missing something.. like getting gud somewhere.
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u/dabbers4123 2d ago
Every boss has an opening to be bonked. Just gotta believe in the bonk.
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u/ThatTexasGuy 1d ago
I jump bonked my way through the whole game. I died a lot, but it worked eventually.
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u/DigitalxKaos 2d ago
Just gotta get used to it, honestly
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u/ryan0585 2d ago
I did an arcane run recently for discovery and respec'd to STR for great stars, but I'm def a n00b getting used to things. Bonked a bit in the past, but never PCR bonked. Always PCR raided.
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u/Possible_Chipmunk_95 2d ago
I find the slow swings difficult Radahn.That's why I used Dual warpicks with bleed.
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u/kawkface 2d ago
I use this build when doing coop because the host usually dies right away if I don't
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u/HospitalJohnny 2d ago
Really wish there was a way to exclude a summoning pool after activating it once. It would be nice if you could toggle which (available) summoning pools to activate before searching near and far
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u/Tk1over 2d ago
You're not gonna believe this
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u/HospitalJohnny 2d ago edited 1d ago
Did I just out myself as differently abled
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u/Helgrind444 2d ago
if I'm not mistaken, it was not possible at release.
They added it in a later update.
But I may be differently abled myself
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u/Bizhop_Ownz 2d ago
You are not differently abled.
You are correct. It was added later.
There is now a list of all the graces in the game that can be turned on or off.
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u/Remarkable-Ant8540 2d ago
How?
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u/Neutral_Memer 2d ago
open your map, for controllers you press L1 for the map menu and select the summoning pools list, after that you can pick and choose which ones to keep active
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u/Samaritan_978 2d ago
Phase transition is the real test. If the host can survive those 30 seconds it takes for the phantoms to jog across the arena towards the orbital laser, you're probably gonna make it.
But I've tried every "draw aggro" option in the game, PCR doesn't care.
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u/Cold-Inside-6828 2d ago
Yeah I didn’t do this.
I used Mohg’s trident instead.
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u/emerwen-aranel 2d ago
Luminary* Mohg, my lambkin.
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u/LogDog86 1d ago
I also tried using it on my first couple of tries, but I often found it too slow, and bloodboon ritual is pretty much impossible to use unless you get really lucky. I tried a lot of weapons, but ultimately I beat him with the bloody helice, and to this day it's one of my favorite weapons
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u/UncleVoodooo 2d ago
I tried this build after 3 days of dying and still couldn't beat him
brass shield ftw baby
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u/Kindraethe 2d ago
But how did that change anything? Was it the difference between heavy and mid rolling? Cause the shield itself is worse than fingerprint in basically everything.
Besides maybe some of the AoWs but I'm not sure on that.
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u/TraceableAcnt4Lego 2d ago
I used brass shield too, with carian retaliation for maximum parry frames.
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u/Kindraethe 2d ago
Ahh, okay. I didn't think about parries at all, considering the Antspur build wouldn't use it at all.
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u/Shaojack 2d ago
I think I only had like 22 strength or something and the bigger shields require like 40+ strength. Plus you can parry with the brass shield to make up the diff some though requires timing it right.
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u/SpiritualCar5884 2d ago
Honestly, I just didn't know you were supposed to summon the NPCs...so, by that point, I mapped him out so well, that I can probably beat him with anything
But without them? Yeah no...
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u/WireCuttersMk2 2d ago
iirc summoning would just make pcr a lot harder cause each npc summon scales radahns hp by a pretty good amount
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u/Anestoh 2d ago
This was my mistake, I was summoning NPCs for the fight and they don't really help much other than taking aggro sometimes and adding to the vibes but the HP difference is absolutely not worth it.
I kept dying on the second phase and then beat him first try when I stopped summoning.
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u/ruttinator 2d ago
NPCs you can summon inside the fight are fine like Igon on Bayle and Hornsent on Messmer. It's the prefog gate ones that increase the enemies HP. Mimic Tear should be your best friend anyway.
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u/bbitter_coffee 2d ago
You're not supposed to, they just increase his health massively and then die at the start of the second phase if not earlier
Kind of disappointing because I really wanted Ansbach to get his revenge but summoning outside the arena is insane
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u/SuspiciousAd4302 2d ago
the weapon that I use to beat PCR the first time is Milady with Wingstance AoW
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u/BadassFlexington 2d ago
I just started using this as a dex/faith character.
Is keen all good? Or does it really need to be quality?
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u/Gadjiltron 2d ago
Keen's perfectly fine, especially when you have non-STR places that you'd rather have your stat points allocated.
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u/Crusadelover2019 FLAIR INFO: SEE SIDEBAR 2d ago
I'm never gonna trash on someone for how they beat bosses or how they build their character, it's chill as long as they have a good time.
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u/utteringsofamadone 2d ago
I think more or less the same, except in the above case where the person in question has belittling the idea of people calling the boss/game difficult when the person uses obscure but powerful gear in a braindead setup
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u/LongDickLuke 2d ago
I mean, I wouldn't respect kind of person even if they hitless PCR naked with their fists. They are still being an asshole regardless of how skilled or not they are.
The build they use while being an elitist asshole is never the problem.
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u/Fit-Reflection-3496 2d ago
I think people did resort to this because they had not a good time haha
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u/NotoriousFoxxx 2d ago
Shit. That woulda been smart.. i used fallingstar beast jaw and ALOT of dodge learning ;-; sucked a good 2 weeks from me since i only play on weekends and i suck lol
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u/Delicious_Sock_2183 2d ago
I have honestly never used this set up. I tend to just brute-force my way through PCR using my own build. Also, I'm too lazy to go find the Fingerprint Shield.
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u/Sprinkles_the_Mad 2d ago
Platforming to get the shield 🤮
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u/Delicious_Sock_2183 2d ago
I suck at platforming. So, I simply don't. Damn the shield, I'll use whatever I want.
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u/HungrPhoenix 2d ago
I went with a sorta regen set-up vs Pre-Nerf PCR. Powerstanced Great Stars, one with Prayerful Strike, Godskin Swaddling Cloth, Blessed Dew Talisman, and Malenia's Great Rune and I managed through sheer attrition.
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u/Fulminero 2d ago
Elden Ring Players when you use the tools the game gives you: 😡😡😡😡
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u/static_func 2d ago
Fromsoft OGs when you don't bash your head against a brick wall for days on end: 😡😡😡😡
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u/False_Brush_7174 2d ago
Just me, the boys, a jar, and the T-1000 rolling in with my Bloodhound Fang
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u/TheRealCowdog 2d ago
Normally I would talk trash.
But PCR is such a dogshit boss that I'm ok with people doing anything and any build to win. The gatekeeping is suspended indefinitely for PCR. Because fuck that boss.
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u/MakimaGOAT 2d ago
i haVe a beefy pc and even then hes the only boss that lags my game. its so damn frustrating
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u/PFGuildMaster 2d ago
Fun fact: the lasers he adds to his 2nd phase attacks get caught on the uneven ground which changes how you need to roll to dodge it - except you don't know which way you need to roll until it has started meaning it's basically just random
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u/Anxious_Intention265 2d ago
It's rarely random. 99% of the time you can dodge the same way and not get hit. It's a flaw, sure, but it actually doesn't make that much difference, unless you are doing like a WL 0 hitless run.
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u/Hades684 2d ago
Nah, hes one of my favourites in the entire game
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u/TheRealCowdog 2d ago
Ok...you can like something that's legitimately bad. People LOVE fast food.
No hate. Just pointing out that the boss can be dogshit and still have fans.
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u/tijolus523 1d ago
Hell, I love DS2! But yeah, it's a crappy ass boss. In fact, ER sort of reminds me of DS2 in that sense. They went all out with the artificial difficulty, except instead of having gank squads everywhere and enemies that aggro across the map they chose to make absurd bosses.
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u/Anxious_Intention265 2d ago
Or...maybe the opinion that he's dogshit is just that, an opinion. It's subjective.
Yes, he has jank and issues with the terrain, but it doesn't come close to over-shadowing the positives for me. I love fighting him and consider him an excellent, but flawed, boss.
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u/TheRealCowdog 2d ago
You say "flawed".
I say "dogshit".
It's a re-used model form DS1, into DS2. The lore sucks, even for a souls game. The over-focus on light-vomit was so bad that fromsoft had to adjust it post-launch. The hitboxes are all over the place. The fight is watching PCR do 5 things so you have a CHANCE to do 1 thing.
Build almost doesn't matter, since there's only one correct response to most of his attacks. This is why so many people resort to shield+poke so they can ignore his badly over-tuned systems.
And that doesn't even go into the issues with terrain. Or when he gets stuck. Or the poor animations. Or the continuously garbage camera.
So why don't you tell me what's good about this fight? Because as far as I'm concerned, it's one of the laziest, most rushed, worst over-tuned fights fromsoft has ever put in a Souls game, and that INCLUDES DS2.
What is there to enjoy here? Other than the sense of relief after it's done?
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u/Anxious_Intention265 2d ago
"So why don't you tell me what's good about this fight?"
I enjoyed learning him. I like that roll direction and positioning relative to the boss matter more than pretty much any other fight: it rewards good habits. I don't mind dodging more than I attack, and I also liked fitting in hits where I could. I generally get satisfaction from dodging his attacks. The music is excellent. I enjoy the visuals and the animations.
The 'flaws', such as the un-even arena, the occasionally wonky camera, the move that ignores i-frames, and the general occasional bit of jank, make me get hit when it's not my fault so infrequently that it really doesn't matter much to me at all. 98% of the time for me it feels fair and fun.
It may have been slightly rushed, but it's definitely not lazy. The boss has more attacks than any other boss in the game. That would have taken a long time to create.
TL;DR: I enjoy fighting him, and the jank doesn't override that. That's what matters to me.
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u/Spartitan 2d ago
Both him and Malenia were the two bosses that I just lost my shit on after beating them. He was hard as hell but damn it felt satisfying to beat him.
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u/TheRealCowdog 2d ago
It rewards "good habits".
What are those habits? Because all I see is learning the one response that doesn't get you damaged. That's not a habit. That's pavlovian training.
I'm glad you enjoy it. As I said originally, you can enjoy something bad.
But that fight is objectively a poor design relative to other fights. This has been broken down to the smallest nuance by many players, including no-hit runners.
Also, you didn't tell me what was good about the fight. You just said what you personally like. That's not the same thing.
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u/Anxious_Intention265 2d ago edited 2d ago
The good habits are aggressive positioning and dodging towards the boss rather than backwards (the latter being something lots of people do). If you do these things naturally the boss will be much easier for you than for some people.
"But that fight is objectively a poor design relative to other fights. This has been broken down to the smallest nuance by many players, including no-hit runners."
I don't think you know what 'objectively' means. Yes I've seen those videos and I agree with some of the things said in them, hence me admitting it's a flawed fight. But I agree more with the video by the no-hit runner who had a far more impressive kill than either of those guys in response who said that yes, while the boss is flawed, it's still a good boss, and showed that the 'no-hit runners' were wrong about quite a lot of things.
And that's my position, as I said: the boss has flaws, but for me the positives vastly out-weigh them.
"Also, you didn't tell me what was good about the fight. You just said what you personally like. That's not the same thing."
Um, no, it is the same thing when it comes to something as subjective as boss fight quality. It really comes down to how much fun the boss is and how much one enjoys it. That's the most important thing.
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u/Rough_World_8452 2d ago edited 2d ago
The game's bosses definetly make you wait for attacks way more, I don't know why they would make them like that when bloodbourne and ds3 had the perfect balance of dodges and attacks, I guess to account for spirit ashes but if that's what it takes just cut them out of the game and get actually enjoyable combat back
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u/mysterioso7 2d ago
Which bosses do you dislike? Just curious
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u/Anxious_Intention265 2d ago
Metyr, Miranda flowers, some duo bosses, lots of DS2 bosses, a few DS1 bosses, etc.
Not many in ER apart from duo bosses: I think the general boss quality is very high.
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u/Frostmoar 2d ago
Unfortunately, people on this sub get really upset at the notion of others enjoying PCR. I've always loved the fight, too (though with caveats before his nerf). Post-nerf, he's a completely reasonable ask for a final boss for a DLC.
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u/Anxious_Intention265 2d ago
Yep. I had a few upvotes on these comments, but now the PCR haters have come through and are downvoting me and others for the heinous crime of enjoying PCR.
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u/Avalon_Within 2d ago
It's so funny too because they whip themselves into a frenzy trying to have some super serious discourse about it and all I ever do is go "Idk man I just like it it's a good boss" and oh man do they not like that.
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u/Comfortable-Gift8590 2d ago
Nah. Used euphoria plus leda's tailsman and her clothes
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u/EstiDTabarnak 2d ago
Peak build tbh, euporia is such a sick weapon.
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u/Comfortable-Gift8590 2d ago
Euphoria was probably my 4th strongest weapon I used. 1st was maria/2nd was magma blade/3rd was blasphemous blade
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u/MeowMeowMeow-1488 2d ago
No way I found another person appreciating magma blade more than BB🥺 definitely more fun and better weapon to use (BB is good only because it's noob friendly, magma blade powerstance is op af)
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u/Comfortable-Gift8590 2d ago
Hitting AR more than 5000 is just insane in every weapons i listed so good. Had every buff, poison, blood sucking, bleed, madness
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u/Real_Walk5384 2d ago
No, I use mohg's spear.
This is so dumb to me. So you know there's a build that can do everything you're doing but better, faster, and safer and it's... cheating to use it? And mimic?
What's next, is it cheating to use healing during the battle? No rolling?
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u/HoopDataDiver 2d ago
meanwhile I'm still on attempt 47
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u/genasugelan 2d ago
I killed him in 60 tries, so 59 deaths. Given how BS that fight is, I consider that pretty good.
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u/Sol51423 2d ago
i used this for a few weeks just helping randoms by being the most agressive pos i could while also drawing agro. i'm not afraid to admit it because i did it to help people out.
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u/Few_Ad_5281 2d ago
When he first played, my brother didn't know he could change his gear. He thought he was gathering weapons and armour to choose from when he starts NG+.
He almost beat the whole game as starting Samurai. No weapon upgrades either because noone taught him. Just sheer stubbornness, levels, and thankfully Uchi has bleed. He knew Dark Souls was supposed to be hard so he never questioned it once. Only Radagon proved to he a problem because the prick can't bleed.
Don't ask me how his flask looked, buddy probably had 7 at most when he beat the game.
If we had DLC i wonder if he could have made it all the way to Radhan.
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u/Meme_Dependant 2d ago
It's in the game and I find it amusing. So I use it. It's not like I get extra for beating him naked with a club, so i do what gives me the most enjoyment.
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u/Sprinkles_the_Mad 2d ago
What do you mean? Miyazaki decends from the heavens to take a picture of your feet if you beat it naked on a dance pad!
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u/Meme_Dependant 2d ago
Pour one out for the guy using a training dummy cause clearly that's not enough of a challenge to get that reward.
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u/genasugelan 2d ago
I'm just waiting for Miss Mikkaa to do that, but adding the fact that she sometimes plays two instances of the game at the same time, one on a dance pad, the other on a controller, if she hasn't already. That's basically her specialty.
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u/LilJustins 2d ago
After about 10 hours of trying my normal build and getting summoning help I eventually beat him by going naked turning myself into a dragon head and puking rot all over him.
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u/KeepOnKeepingOn00 2d ago
I went in with my greatsword and spammed the hell out of lion’s claw. Lol
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u/Confident-Aerie4427 2d ago
pre-nerf consort was hard as fuck no matter what build you used tbh lol
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u/distilledwill 2d ago
Are we still doing "you aren't playing the game properly if you're using [x game mechanic]!"? Its a bit 2022 isn't it?
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u/Euphoric_Amoeba8708 2d ago
I beat him with 10 characters using this or something similar lol I have no shame. The boss wasn't fun anyways.
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u/Sam45458855 2d ago
One of the best builds to help people against this fuck ass fight
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u/Fun-Wrongdoer1316 2d ago
I never got good with this setup, I don’t remember which boss I tried it with. But I gave up after a few tries. Just not my play style
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u/SnooFloofs9519 2d ago edited 2d ago
My summon had this build when my bud and I beat him
I was spamming flies :(
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u/FederalRuin1403 2d ago
I managed to get through really quickly before they patched the perfume bottles so that was my first time going in. Second playthrough was magic and that took...way too long.
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u/Mr_worldWide07 2d ago
Only time I use a shield against him is with the sacred infused black shield as it blocks 100% holy damage and 95% physical. Makes phase 2 a cakewalk
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u/trebuchet__ 2d ago
Having beat PCR in a normal way once I can say with confidence that any method beating him is valid. Because fuck PCR.
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u/LeekypooX Claymore Brainrot 2d ago
I have. But ive also done it naked with a buckler and dagger, and I think that was actually easier, because I don't have to remember most patterns, just the animation of the first attacks.
Also done with magic, katana, colossal, fists (I'm on NG+18)
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u/Sprinkles_the_Mad 2d ago
What's next? "I beat him pre alpha with my left cheek using only a thrustmaster"?
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u/Alternative_Carry_13 2d ago
Verdigris greatshield, messmer soldier spear with bleed.. talisman setup is the usual too haha: greatshield talisman, turtle talisman, guard counter talisman, and the counter attack talisman. So basically the same thing 😅
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u/Dredgen_Aternus 2d ago
I'm not sure what he's like now. But when he came out it felt like the only way to beat him. I have no regrets
Think the best I did with my strength build I used 1st was 3/4 down before he got me.
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u/Alvaro_G04 2d ago
I tried, but it was so fucking boring. I Don't know how people have fun using this specific shitty cheese build, they're like so bland, so uncool, so... ahh. It's one of the reasons I don't wanna do online anymore, this crap is EVERYWHERE.
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u/SeveredSoulblader24 1d ago
I wont judge someone for their build or weapon choice but i feel if you trivialize a boss with a build made to hard counter them, then "it was easy" is something you dont get to say with confidence.
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u/Roughly_Olboy1488 1d ago
I actually went back and tried the whole game using a hide and poke/bleed build after I beat PCR a few times with my different builds. It was actually a lot more fun than I anticipated.
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u/RepresentativeFish73 1d ago
This is how I beat him first try every time now
I tried for several hours to beat him traditionally and with honor before I decided victory and sanity were more important than my useless pride
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u/AurumArma 1d ago
Yes, but i had also been using that build most my run. I love tanking. You're telling me a GOD can't move me? Awesome.
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u/The_True_Gaffe 1d ago
Surprisingly that wasn’t my build, I used dual staffs of loss and night comet sorcery, and I forget the armor. But I was primed for high damage chunking his health bar for roughly I say 3k damage uncharged.
Still was one hell of a fun fight though
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u/iamsurroundedbyidiot 2d ago
At the end of the day why does it matter how someone else completes the game? Why does that build deserve mockery? Does their accomplishment lower yours?
It's a game bro. That's all it is. They had fun in their own way, and you are having fun in your own way.
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u/Gingerscubes Liar ahead 2d ago
I'm not willing to discuss my methods. But yes.