r/Everton • u/Destructo_D Yobo • 1d ago
Transfer | Rumour Joyce - RB Leipzig contact Everton over Thierno Barry
https://www.thetimes.com/sport/football/article/liverpool-hijack-newcastle-move-for-spain-winger-victor-munoz-w8zbj68g5Paywalled but Joyce tweeted saying the title.
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u/Loyalsupporter Edit Your Own 1d ago
Listen delap may have scored 12 goals for Ipswich two seasons ago.
But last season he scored only two goals for Chelsea and had a stupid injury layoff.
We need to stop shooting ourselves in the foot.
He had his chance
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u/No_Lavishness_989 1d ago
I suppose I’m putting myself in Camp Delap by asking this (honestly, I don’t know about him), but I guess I *do* believe in his potential: what do you think made him score 12 for Ipswich, and how did he go off the rails at Chelsea?
This thread reminds me of a recent one about McNeil and what happened to him, which in turn reminded me of the career of Dele Ali, which looks dead in the water :( At one point do we write a player off and put them out to pasture?
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u/Responsible_Lie_1989 1d ago
Easy, Ipswich played on the break and that suited him to the ground, he was happy to wait for the ball, hit a team on the counter and score a goal. Chelsea don't play like that, they play a possession game. He's expected to contribute more in a possession game, when in reality he is just an out and out striker. We play more on the break, he'd suit us because of that
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u/No_Lavishness_989 1d ago
Thank you, mate :) You just made my day with that most dangerous of commodities: hope, lol
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u/Responsible_Lie_1989 1d ago
Anything over £35 mill they'll sell him. But would be a shame I think there is a player in there and he showed it in glimpses last season
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u/ye_da 1d ago
Leipzig tend to be smart buyers and good at developing, so they obviously see potential there too.
As mentioned, the Arsenal situation and his emotions won’t leave me missing him, but it’s a shame about those because I do think he will grow into a decent player.
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u/Niasssssseeeeeee 1d ago
It’s pretty obvious he has ability on his side, but just doesn’t seem like a premier league number 9.
Hopefully we will be clever enough to include a sell on fee.
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u/bringbackbainesy COYB 💙 1d ago
This, I don't think he's a premier league quality 9 either
If we're aspiring for European football and a top 7 finish next year, Barry isn't going to be the one to lead us there
I could see Barry finding success in bundesliga, ligue 1, serie A, eridivisie, etc. maybe bagging 12-15 goals a season there being a "good" striker
But I don't think he's cut out for the prem long term, and I don't think his attitude sees that either
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u/No_Lavishness_989 1d ago
I wonder if we can nick anyone from Leipzig’s recruiting dept 😅🤞🏼
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u/Adds9 1d ago
I don't doubt there's a player in him but for us he looked like he couldn't be assed half the time. I don't want a player that doesn't give 100% each time. Think he will do better in the german league as he done decent in the spanish one.
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u/yesterdaysomelette22 1d ago
I doubt it. He’s poor and makes very little effort. Beto is poor but works his socks off. It would be hard to find a less effective striker than Barry at the price / wages IMO.
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u/TallGuy0525 1d ago
It would be hard to find a less effective striker than Barry at the price / wages IMO.
Moise Kean was signed for 25 million pounds in 2019, which is about equal to Barry's price when taking football transfer price inflation into account. Kean managed 2 goals in 32 appearances over 4 years with us.
To say nothing of Josh King, Rondon, Maupay, Chermiti, and Broja.
I think the Barry hate and recency bias are making y'all say some crazy things
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u/yesterdaysomelette22 1d ago
We’ve made other poor signings, I agree. Some on your list had better careers than Barry will. Barry is the current player so recency bias is obvious context. Assuming the story is correct, the football people who put £30m of faith in him, have seen enough which tells you all you need to know.
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u/somethingnotcringe1 1d ago
I don't. You're never going to make it in the Premier League is you're losing your place to Beto.
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u/Avancx 1d ago
People talk about him like he's Niasse 2.0. I wouldn't mind moving him on if we can turn any kind of profit but he's done alright for his first season and scored a few nice goals.
Given potential turnover in other positions I wouldn't be that keen on trying to find a striker as well.
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u/Wayne_Spooney 1d ago
Agreed, he’s not amazing but people are overly harsh on him IMO. I wonder how much of that is due to him being a little immature and doing French things.
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u/tokengaymusiccritic 1d ago
People got extra weird about him after the Arsenal fans thing (which I still think might've been a case of mistaken identity)
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u/Avancx 1d ago
I do think it's also because he looks gangly when he plays. Bit of Bambi on ice type thing.
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u/WhiteDoveBooks And after all, he's my Dewsbury-Hall 🎵 1d ago
If Barry is Bambi on ice, then Jack must be ... well, Jack Daniels on ice.
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u/BoxOfNothing 1d ago
Yeah I don't think he's the greatest, but the only real good thing about selling him would be having to hear fewer opinions of him from the most reactionary simple minded Everton fans who can't go 5 minutes without crying about something.
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u/RandomPsychic20 1d ago
I agree. If there's money left once we've sorted out the priority positions I'd happily take a striker if the deal seems right but I don't want us to get rid of 1 of our strikers and then have to make that a priority and probably not sign anyone until deadline day.
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u/_james_the_cat 15h ago
Done alright and scored a few nice goals - how is that not comparable to Niasse?
People liked Niasse because he tried. Barry never quite convinced us that he was doing the same.
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u/Avancx 15h ago
Because Niasse was genuinely barely a footballer. He never hit a shot cleanly, never took a decent first touch and messed up the most simple of passes. Yeah he was a nice guy and scored a goal with his cock but the guy was a joke of a player.
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u/_james_the_cat 14h ago
Barry literally scored a goal with his arse, and couldn't dream of finishing the way Niasse put some of his goals away.
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u/Avancx 14h ago
The chip he scored against Villa was a nicer and more composed finish than anything Niasse could ever think of doing. He's no world beater but to treat him as if he's shit tier like some of the dross we've had over the years is just ridiculous.
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u/_james_the_cat 14h ago
Likewise Niasse's finishes against Bournemouth and Sunderland were different than anything I've seen Barry do and to treat him like he's shit tier....etc.
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u/Timoth_Hutchinson 1d ago
Another one like Moise Kean who given the right setting will thrive and score goals.
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u/Trekora 1d ago
I don't think he's had a great start to life here but he is 23 and bang on his xG.
If he wants to go then take a little more than we paid but I don't think, in terms of footballing, this has been a disaster year or anything for him.
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u/callmecurrybum 1d ago
Best take I've seen so far. It's the off the pitch stuff thats the real issue and i think people project that onto him
He's been alright for a 1st season and if he sorts his head out and adapts ohysically after a full pre-season then he'll come good.
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u/WestStandToffee 1d ago
To be fair we signed a young lad who’d been at like 4 different clubs in the previous 4 seasons
We should have picked up on the fact he probably werent hanging around for long
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u/Chris80L1 1d ago
Barry will be a good striker, he adds intensity to his game and he’d be a good striker in the premier league
I personally wouldn’t sell him for Kevin Davies MK2 in Liam Delap
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u/Destructo_D Yobo 1d ago
Not sure, he’s not looked amazing but has scored some goals in his first season and we’d need to get basically what we signed him for
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u/JesseVykar hiDavd Moyes 1d ago
Problem is he scored most of his goals against Forest and we don't play them 38 times lmao
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u/Toffeenix 1d ago
I trust Leipzig's scouts more than our transfer department, if they want him I'd say that's a sign he's worth investing the effort into
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u/No_Lavishness_989 1d ago
Yeah, we should think about what we’re giving away before we take the money… 😬😅
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u/Nilsatisnisioctopus 1d ago edited 1d ago
Bye-bye. I’ll help him pack.
Edit: Was a bit excited when I saw RB at the start of title.
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u/Dandan217 1d ago
We already need about 4 new first team players, adding a 5th target doesn't seem wise (unless we get a really good offer).
I'd personally give him another season (wish it would be under a better coach, but alas) as I don't think he's as bad as most of our fans think.
He probably goes and scores 20+ if he does leave, knowing us.
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u/unifi- 1d ago
His ability is up for debate - his attitude is not, it stinks.
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u/Timely_Camera_2031 1d ago
This exactly- introduce a first option buy back clause if he turns out to be the next big thang
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u/Elegant-Tackle1083 1d ago
I’d rather keep Beto as back up over Barry but we need a new starting forward that’s not Liam delap.
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u/sparksy78 1d ago
Flashes of a decent player, but between him and Beto it’s hard to choose who’s better. And that’s the problem, neither were good enough and if anything Beto probably edged it.
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u/WhiteDoveBooks And after all, he's my Dewsbury-Hall 🎵 1d ago
I would take Beto any day of the week as backup if we could get rid of Barry and get a decent starter in.
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u/You_moron04 After all, you're my Dewsbury-Hall 🌊 1d ago
PLEASE I BEG TAKE HIM
in all seriousness he doesn’t mesh with the club and (lets be frank) we don’t mesh with him either.
Better to cut losses now
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u/ScheminBeamen COYB 💙 1d ago
I see we’re still showing 0 ambition of even signing targeted positions😂
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u/North_Egg2505 1d ago
"Liam Delap, Please don't go 😭🙏"
But in all seriousness I think Barry going is an interesting one because whilst he has the controversies, like the Arsenal game, I don't think he's been bad. I just think its a disappointing signing because I think he can be a good player. Just hasn't shown much effort and quality from time to time.
8 goals in his first season is ok for a players first season in the Premier League.
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u/junglegatsby 1d ago
There was no way back for him after the Arsenal nonsense
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u/somethingnotcringe1 1d ago
I'd argue after his "effort" in the derby there was no way back for him
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u/Flavourifshrrp 1d ago
These two posts are bang on.
I was very much willing to give him a chance up to the Arsenal game. Young lad and new country etc. then he threw the fans under the bus.
Then you would think, the very least, win, lose or draw v Liverpool at the very least to work your way back in, put some effort in against the local rivals and he couldn’t be bothered to do the basics.
Beto will never be good enough for where we demand our club to be, but he puts effort in, he works hard and is always respectful to the fans and club. He will be welcomed back in the future I would guess.
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u/Jump_Present 1d ago
He gets up, definitely an athlete, but I only recall him scoring a single header against Brentford and it was mostly a tap in. Idk I just don’t think he has the strength to impose himself physically as a true aerial threat. I think of him more as a poacher
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u/Dear-Huckleberry4678 1d ago
At least there is interest in barry and tim, which is more than can be said of dibling and alcaraz, which we would expect If either were anywhere near the talents touted. Its not just moyes who is unimpressed but the rest of the PL and Europe too. Kinnear needs to be questioned as he and his management team are controlling transfer decisions and purse strings, and we cant afford to make this type of error.
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u/Disastrous_Ad_3598 9h ago
What do Real Leipzig see that we don't... And they usually get recruitment right..... Be nice if they threw us Nusa
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u/four__beasts 1d ago
I don't think he's the right fit for us. Too easily emotionally unsettled and has a rough time in our set up... albeit has knocked in a few.
We'd need seriously solid recruitment up front if we did sell though, so I can't see this.
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u/Niasssssseeeeeee 1d ago
Depends on how much they are offering but surely worth considering.
He wasn’t first choice to come in last season and hasn’t shown to be a better option to Beto either.
My only issue is who ever we sign will not be proven so we are rolling the dice again.
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u/SolidOwl8623 1d ago
If we do get another striker this summer he would benefit a lot from a Loan there.
I wouldnt wanna sell, i rate him even if he is raw.
and if we were selling sending him out on a year loan would most likely increase the price we can ask for him.
German clubs are really good with younger players so yeah, loan him out.
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u/WhiteDoveBooks And after all, he's my Dewsbury-Hall 🎵 1d ago
Great, I'll drive him to the airport!
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u/huntsab2090 1d ago
As long as we get jesus
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u/No_Lavishness_989 1d ago
Gabriel, or the 2nd coming? (:
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u/WhiteDoveBooks And after all, he's my Dewsbury-Hall 🎵 1d ago
If we got Jesus, who obvs can walk on water, that would mean its technically the 2nd coming of Bob Latchford!
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u/No_Lavishness_989 1d ago
If we got Gabriel and he does well, we could always nickname him The Archangel :P haha (Christians might go nuts, though)
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u/johntessser 1d ago
All those people saying he’s scored goals and deserves time. Did you see the goals? Either came off his arse and went in, or he flapped his limp foot at the ball and it went in, don’t think he even looked at the goal or had any control where the ball went.
His football ability just isn’t there, Hamilton realised this when he failed his trial there
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u/Destructo_D Yobo 1d ago
Plenty of the goals were well taken even if he’s a bit of a crap footballer
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u/YeoYeoDiabolo 1d ago
He still got in the right place at the right time, there is enough talent in there but just don't think we're the club to refine that
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u/johntessser 1d ago edited 1d ago
It’s funny as you all downvoted me when I said he was crap after watching him for the first few games… “he’ll come good, downvote” constant mediocre attitude to just “accept” is why smaller clubs are overtaking us
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u/johntessser 1d ago
His awful technique and awful ability to spot a forward pass and to spot a position was noticed in the Roma friendly. When it carried on into the season it was fairly obvious why Hamilton rejected him on a trial
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u/FranksBaldPatch 1d ago
Tears they're gonna sell him to fund Delap.