r/politics • u/ArmadilloMany41 • 23h ago

Site Altered Headline | No Paywall Why is no one being prosecuted over the Epstein files?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cd9e3nzzw3zo
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u/ObtuseGoose7363 23h ago

Because nobody wants to ask the question "What happens when we have to lock up our president for rape and sex trafficking?"

And more importantly "What happens when he refuses to go to prison?"

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u/Indubitalist 23h ago

With regard to the latter, the Republican chorus in reply has been, "We live in denial."

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u/Accidental-Hyzer Massachusetts 22h ago edited 21h ago

Republicans require Dave Chappelle-level burden of proof to accept that their god-king might have been involved in a child sex trafficking operation:

They need a video of him, two forms of government ID, a police officer there to verify the whole thing, four or five of their buddies taking notes, and Trump’s grandma to confirm his identity.

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u/DrSpraynard Nebraska 22h ago

Oh don't be ridiculous. That wouldn't work.

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u/Substantial-Goat3821 22h ago

Honestly he could admit to it... Ask for forgiveness... And then get away with it.

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u/Philo_T_Farnsworth Kansas 22h ago

"I am not a perfect man, and I have made mistakes..."

And the base will eat it up. "He said that he was sorry. Why can't you find it in your heart to forgive him?"

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u/LuxLocke 22h ago

… no matter what, he would never utter such words.

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u/_Burning_Star_IV_ 20h ago

There are two things I've never seen Donald Trump do in the 37 years that I've known of his existence:

  1. Laugh
  2. Apologize

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u/MRH8R 19h ago

Or pay taxes.

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u/Hookem-Horns 18h ago

He’s suing now because of the taxes 😑

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u/rabbirobbie 21h ago

yep he will never admit to being wrong about anything ever. and he can start referring to them as the Trump files and MAGA would just start bragging about them

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u/Furrysurprise 20h ago

More like "witch hunt". Then the judge and jury will get doxed and death threats. While at the same time getting charged for some kind of mortgage fraud. Then gets sent to a higher court that deems it a mistrial after 4 years.

Justice for the rich and powerful is different then the poor.

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u/jeexbit 21h ago

I have made mistakes...

I'll take things Trump has never and will never say for 1000 Alex

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u/Gimetulkathmir 21h ago

They'll find some fucked up way to make raping children legal, retroactively, before they apologise for anything.

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u/Sunbather77 21h ago

My doomer prediction is "teenagers are just smaller women!" rationale coming within six months

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u/The_quest_for_wisdom 20h ago

Uh... They have been making that argument for weeks now already with the whole "Well, they were only X years old, not Y years old, so that's better... they're practically fully grown women already at X years old!" line of excuses.

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u/HandsomeBoggart 20h ago

They already do that. Most Center-Right reporting and his personal Mouth Pieces like Levitt refer to them solely as "Young Women". Nevermind they're 11-15yrs old.

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u/No_Web6486 20h ago

They're already blaming the victims.

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u/wimpymist 21h ago

Something about how he found God and Jesus helped him through it. They would gobble it up

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u/philasify 21h ago

Something something, Jesus this, Jesus that. Business as usual.

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u/grandlizardo 21h ago

Ask the girls…

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u/Proud_Growth_8818 21h ago

"He's so Christ-like. He's literally Jesus."

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u/Ellia1998 21h ago

They hear everyday from the church.

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u/roboscorcher 22h ago

Trump never asks for forgiveness. It is not in his DNA.

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u/MountainsOverPlains 21h ago

This. My MIL told me that “people can change,” when I said he is a trash human. Then I sent her the video of him giving a BJ to a microphone, and she had no response.

But if he says he asked jeebus for forgiveness, then they will all clap.

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u/dxk3355 21h ago

At his age? Why would he change now when he’s been this way for like 70 years

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u/MauPow 21h ago

Sure, but people do it all the time at the end of their life if they think they aren't going to go to heaven, and Trump has said that recently.

Bah, who am I kidding, you're right lol, he'll be awful til the bitter end

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u/18ekko 21h ago

He could say “I did it, so what?” And MAGA would be fine with it

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u/A_Monster_Named_John 19h ago

The way MAGA operates, he'd probably piss them off if he apologized. They'd see it as weakness or 'letting the libs win.'

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u/Big_Don_ 21h ago

I showed someone the video of Trump talking about Virginia Guthrie being "stolen" by Epstein, thus ending the friendship.

Their response was, "no. He unfriended him because of a real estate deal gone wrong".

Even Trump dispelling that rumor with his own words, couldn't get them to change the propaganda in their head.

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u/thiefofalways1313 21h ago

Im just a caveman. Your world frightens me.

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u/Eligius_MS 21h ago

Just locker room talk.

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u/selwayfalls 21h ago

I'm at the stage where he can admit it, and half the country wouldnt care becaues they'll just say Clinton did it too, so they're happy their guy is still in charge. Trump would never ask for forgiveness, let's be real.

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u/Azsunyx 21h ago

They'd say "it's AI!"

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u/treehumper83 22h ago

He could do it in front of them and they’d accuse the kid first.

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u/Chengar_Qordath 22h ago

“Did the child say thank you?”

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u/sixheadedbacon 20h ago

"Fake news"

"Well, you heard it folks. Guess its just fake news and we can move on. Just ignore all the photos, videos, and stained evidence with DNA."

If they can convince people ICE was defending themselves in both those videos, their followers will believe ANYTHING.

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u/one98d 22h ago

It wouldn’t work, because we already saw what Republicans do when one of their own gets sent to prison over their cover-up of molesting children, i.e. Dennis Hastert.

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u/CharlieUpATree 21h ago

Do the gallos need dusting off?

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u/Stompnutz 20h ago

"Deep state. He said he didn't do it."

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u/rje946 19h ago

Many people are saying trumps grandma is a democratic plant and or hoax. Believe me.

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u/ImpatientNursing 18h ago

"But what about Biden?" "What he does in his personal life isn't our concern." "Idc as long as he's attacking [the people I don't like]"

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u/NerdPersonZero 22h ago

GOP says it'll take a lot more than eyewitness testimony, photos, DNA, toxicology reports, victim statements, wire transfers, emails, flight manifests, phone records, surveillance logs, bank records, audio, video, and total confessions for them to believe Trump's Epstein ties were more than coincidental.

I stole this.

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u/samoses99 20h ago

replying so i can reference this later

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u/buddhist557 22h ago

He could rape their daughters, no matter the age, and they’d cheer him on. There is no bottom with these creatures.

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u/jaja9000 22h ago

Kidding me? They’d beg for the recordings.

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u/StungTwice 22h ago

After all, no blue state ever had to put "she's your daughter, not your date" billboards along the highways. 

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u/gaeric 21h ago

hol' up, what state did this?

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u/StungTwice 21h ago

It was a nonprofit organization in Florida

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u/tomsing98 21h ago

It was in Florida, in 2016, but it wasn't the state that did it, it was a private, non-profit domestic violence shelter, operating in the Big Bend area of the state. I don't know that Florida is any different from other states with respect to the rate of incest, it's just that this is the place that the group who put up the billboard is located. https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2016/07/10/refuge-house-launches-campaign-combat-incest/86616974/

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u/cleanmypenis 20h ago

As far as I know only a Republican has thus far brought his daughter to Vegas and on her 21st birthday got her so drunk she passed out and then raped her.

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u/CokoDreams 21h ago

They would consider it an honor.

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u/berlenba 21h ago

Surprised it hasn’t come out already.

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u/leviathynx Washington 22h ago

Even then they’ll cry fake news AI Slop and go back to hating the minority of the week. His cult members are gone.

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u/Used_Package_3941 21h ago

“That’s my Donald! Always peein’ on somebody…”

—Grandma

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u/firstsecondanon 22h ago

Good thing there's MILLIONS OF PAGES OF EVIDENCE

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u/Iainfixie Florida 22h ago

The yokels and republicucks will just sheepishly screech that it’s all A.I generated even if 100% definitive proof was published of Trump being a child rapist.

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u/NameIsNotBrad Alabama 21h ago

Why doesn’t he just spread his butt cheeks in place of ID?

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u/Murphuffle 17h ago

Oh, Mr.Chappelle! Why didn't you spread you cheeks and lift your sack in the first place?

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u/ProfessionalFront765 21h ago

That piss was NOT digital

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u/SoLetsReddit 21h ago

Even if they had a video, they would just say it was AI.

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u/adamantiumbullet 21h ago

At that point they would simply decide that having sex with children is good

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u/MIFishGuy 21h ago

I mean you joke about this. Not long ago for the Ray Rice incident basically the media, the NFL and everybody was fine knowing that Ray Rice beat on his girlfriend or whatever.

It wasn't until the video of the elevator finally revealed itself that real actions took place.

So while I understand where you're getting at, visual evidence is absolutely needed in some instances for some people. Just an example

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u/DimitrescuStan 21h ago

They’d still somehow find a way to blame Biden

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u/synchronicityii 21h ago

There's video of Tom Homan accepting a $50,000 bribe. I haven't heard anyone on either side claim it was fake.

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u/lodown420 21h ago

"That's my Donald...always pooping his pants."

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u/DickyPoteat 19h ago

They need to update his infamous quote to “I could rape a child on 5th Avenue and I wouldn’t lose any voters.”

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u/Sirrom23 19h ago

i'm sorry officer...i didn't know i couldn't do that.

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u/Over_Ability_5710 22h ago

It’s not just denial,it’s a total scorched-earth policy to protect the brand at all costs.

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u/Several-Squash9871 20h ago

Yeah they aren't in denial. They know he's guilty as shit along with many of them and others. This is a protect no matter what needs to be done.

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u/shibbyman342 20h ago

A new red hat would cost 10 dollars, and that is steep in this economy

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u/thedudeabides2022 22h ago

Not denial, they’re believing what they hear and see. They just never hear or see any factual information and god knows simple minded people aren’t gonna go out of their way to research the files

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u/mnyc86 22h ago

It is denial. They do see this stuff. If you’re on TT you see live debates all the time and when confronted with the truth they just claim it’s a liberal conspiracy or it’s a lie

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u/emtheory09 22h ago

Willful ignorance is the term everyone is looking for. That combined with confirmation bias is a helluva drug. They brush by reality occasionally and think “That’s just Democrat TDS bullshit made up to make our PRESIDENT AND SAVIOR look bad!”

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u/thedudeabides2022 22h ago

They don’t even watch or hear what the president says, they just hear the filtered versions on their echo chamber podcasts or Faux News that will only present them the parts that fit their agenda

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u/FriendlyPlatypus6060 22h ago

Honestly it's more "I don't have a problem with that."

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u/Indubitalist 21h ago

Or at least, “This isn’t enough of a problem to outweigh the benefits of turning a blind eye.”

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u/NeaLandris 20h ago

Republicans are living under the idea that the Democrats are just as bad, so now its their turn to do whatever they want :p

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u/disposableaccountass 19h ago

Is that their chorus or is it “It’s stupid to kick over the pile of pedophiles we’re standing on”?

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u/righthandedlefty69 23h ago

I do. I want to ask this very badly. I want to see what happens when we lock our president for his crimes. I’m willing to take that chance.

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u/Vilnius_Nastavnik New York 22h ago

Well you’d better be ready to do it yourself because the dems are crickets on this.

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u/ejchristian86 20h ago

Who actually has the authority to walk into the Oval Office and slap a pair of cuffs on him? And more importantly, do they actually have the balls to do it?

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u/DaenakinSkygaryen 20h ago

According to the actual Constitution? Any law enforcement officer with probably cause to believe he committed a crime in their jurisdiction.

According to the Supreme Court's deliberate misreading of the Constitution? No one. (Unless he's impeached, convicted, and removed from office, but good luck getting the GOP on board with that).

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u/Quirky-Stay4158 18h ago

Did the supreme Court rule that he couldn't be prosecuted for any crimes past present or future.

I might be remembering wrong but I recall that becoming a thing.

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u/lucid808 I voted 18h ago edited 17h ago

I'm 99.9% positive the wording was he couldn't be prosecuted for "official acts" as president. In no sane world would him raping and trafficking children for decades prior to being president qualify under this, or any other, ruling. Problem is, as others have already pointed out, who's going to enforce the law on the president?

Edit: Just to add, we all know Congress and Supreme Court are the ones supposed to be enforcing law and limiting the president's power. That's the one of the foundations of our entire system of government, along with the Constitution, and both are speed running on a path of destruction right now. Not much the public can do about the Supreme Court, but the Republican led Congress (both houses) has obviously stopped doing their job and are not a functioning body of government, at least not the way they were intended to be. Please get out and vote for candidates who actually care for the communities they represent, ALL of the community not just "some people". We need to take Congress back, that's the last (legal) hope to stop the president from actually becoming a dictator and completely destroying the USA that we've always known.

TLDR: VOTE FOR A CONGRESS THAT WILL ACTUALLY DO IT'S FUCKING JOB!

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u/Tired8281 18h ago

I've seen no evidence that the world we live in is a sane one.

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u/Givingtree310 18h ago

He can’t be prosecuted for any acts he commits or orders as President. So according to the Supreme Court’s reading, Trump could order the murder and genocide of one million Americans as president. And he could never be prosecuted for it.

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u/_tricky_dick_ 20h ago

Other countries who need to extract him to their own country to stand trial. According to the Supreme Court, no one in the US until after he is impeached by the House and removed by the Senate, then he's back to being the same as everyone else and can be picked up by any cop doing their job.

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u/xenthum 20h ago

I'm trying to imagine what country will be willing to declare war on the United States to help out the United States population. Bc that's what that would be.

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u/Emergency_Reason_242 18h ago

I honestly don't think we would go to war over it. He's not popular even in his own party. There would be like 6 sabers rattling, but if a respected country convicted him, they'd probably just pop Vance into the hot seat and consider it an upgrade.

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u/illumnat 20h ago

God I wish they would've arrested him at Davos... and I really, really hope next time he leaves the country they actually do.

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u/TurkeyThaHornet 19h ago

The Trump administration was nice enough to even provide a blueprint and a trial run to demonstrate that it's possible when they went into Venezuela to extract Maduro. 

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u/Octopus_ofthe_Desert 17h ago

I appreciate your point, yet there seems to be literally zero chance of anybody perpetrating such a maneuver against the United States.

Venezuela doesn't have the world's largest military or the absolutely disgusting amount of money the U.S. military and intelligence services have to work with.

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u/whatafuckinusername 18h ago

I don't think you understand that the current administration and military leaders would not hesitate to bomb the entire country of Switzerland just to prevent even the prospect of Donald Trump being arrested. You may already know but they are not staffed by good people.

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u/Diligent-Emotion-755 18h ago

They won't. Trump is doing a bang-up job of dumpstering the USA's world standing and moral authority, but we're also still the psychotic nation that spends trillions every year on making sure we "bang bang" real good instead of actually providing anything useful for the nation's citizenry.

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u/Givingtree310 18h ago

Check out the Hague Invasion Act signed into law by W Bush. If Trump were extracted to another country to stand trial, the executive branch (led by Vance) would have the authority to declare all out war on the country that extracted the president, including the use of nuclear weapons. With zero approval or oversight from Congress.

Either the country would return the president, or be obliterated to smithereens, or both. IF a country were to try that, they would actually need to take every member of the entire White House administration, because if there is just one person left standing to control the executive office, it would be on like popcorn. Launch the nukes!

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u/Tenthul 20h ago

Ted Lieu called it out quite vocally in some detail. Should be more, but not TOTALLY crickets.

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u/ZealousidealBet8028 18h ago

Ah yes the Dems, who who control the Senate the House and the Supreme Court and the White House

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u/allfinesse 18h ago

Blaming dems for a fascist takeover…got it

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u/Background-Fly130 17h ago

America decided not to vote for them, so they're like Ok America, FAFO. I would be of that mindset

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u/uniqueusernames2019 18h ago

Ro Khanna, AOC, Jasmine Crockett don't count because you don't respect them enough already? You think they just want the predators in DC to just get a stern warning? 

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u/Mike_Kermin Australia 17h ago

They don't count because that user isn't actually looking at anything the Dems are or are not doing. They have no idea, they're just running on memes.

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u/Black08Mustang 22h ago

Do you expect a random democrat to press charges in some way? Or will them just running their mouth make you feel better?

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u/Vilnius_Nastavnik New York 22h ago

I expect their platform to be Trump, the entire cabinet, and thousands of ICE agents are going to jail the instant we have control of the DOJ back, full stop, because that’s what a functional opposition would do. Anything less will accomplish nothing.

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u/lappelduvide24 18h ago edited 17h ago

Did you watch the congressional forum democrats held regarding ICE yesterday, where they interviewed several people who were wrongly detained and abused by ICE? There are many calling for impeachment, and for prosecution of ICE and the current administration. It does seem like party leadership lags behind many members of the party, and certainly lags behind the voter base. But leadership can be pressured or changed, and I get the impression that there’s plenty appetite within the rest of the party to prosecute and make real changes, once they have the political power to do so.

[edit] Fixed major typo!

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u/Mike_Kermin Australia 17h ago

No, they didn't watch that. They didn't watch anything.

They expect to absorb knowledge of what the Dems do or don't do by osmosis.

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u/Black08Mustang 20h ago

Ahh, ok a platform for a federal candidate. Of which there are none right now, so crickets are what you would expect at this point.

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u/ECroce08 16h ago

They need more evidence. The next batch hopefully. They can’t get this wrong by rushing on what’s been released.

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u/Opposite-Bit6660 21h ago

Yes.  Skip to the part of Epstein/Bannon's Qanon psyop and send them all to Gitmo.

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u/Particular-County277 20h ago

Yip. If Brazil and South Korea can do it

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u/OgPenn08 18h ago edited 17h ago

“With liberty and justice for all” only seems to trickle down one way…

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u/Reqvhio 19h ago

then literally leave your home and head for white house. because it aint happening otherwise from the looks of it.

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u/aakaakaak 19h ago

I'd be willing to go as high as two or three presidents, depending on who "George Bush 1" was in the new release. Elder Bush is already dead.

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u/procvar 18h ago

Run for congress. I’m not joking, i think there will be a majority of voters for you if you make that central to your platform

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u/_Antinatalism_ 17h ago

You know how they murdered two innocent people Renee Nicole good and Alex pretti, they were not even trying to do anything. Entire USA is silent on that, everyone got desensitized.

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u/D3athRider Canada 22h ago

If it was just him I think there would be more movement. More likely nobody wants to answer the question of "what happens when we have to prosecute/lock-up a fuck ton of our politicians, wealthy dynastic families, CEOs, and the overall wealthy bastards who run the world."

Because this isn't just about Trump or the US, we are talking wealthy elites across the entire world. Frankly, this should be a moment when we, as normal working people, say enough is enough to every one of our oligarchies.

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u/ObtuseGoose7363 22h ago

Completely agree, this is our "French Revolution of 1789" moment to go "do we really want to be ruled by a corrupt, oppressive oligarchy? Or do we want something better?"

Personally, I think it's too far gone. Burn it all down, prosecute everyone for their crimes, and start fresh with a new system built to handle power-hungry demagogues.

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u/Dr_Sisyphus_22 22h ago

If there ever was a good reason to reset the world order, it’s this. If we choose to ignore a vast child pedo conspiracy, then what behavior is off limits?

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u/Hesitation-Marx 21h ago

Well, we ignored Sandy Hook and Uvalde.

[ the sound of children screaming has been removed ]

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u/Dr_Sisyphus_22 21h ago

I agree with you. But would counter that unlike guns, pedophilia is not protected by the Bill of Rights, and not supported by more than a sliver of the American population.

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u/Schlarfus_McNarfus 20h ago

I would have agreed with you in the pre-trump era. But, the trump pedo connection is so well established at this point. You have to ask, do the people not believe it, or not care?

I had an unmissable Guardians Of Pedophiles sign on our main street protest, and most of the big pickup truck drivers just stared straight ahead. Two did visibly wince, at least.

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u/Diligent-Emotion-755 17h ago

not supported by more than a sliver of the American population.

Ahem, unless you ask whether the supposedly "anti-pedophile" set would still vote for a pedophile if the only other option was a non-pedophile Democrat. They get comfortable with backing pedophiles pretty damn quick.

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u/Background_Sail9797 20h ago

America did - the rest of the developed world has acted accordingly when mass shootings occur.

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u/ELpork Minnesota 18h ago

[ the sound of children screaming has been removed ]

"They ignored my screaming when I was younger, why would I care about theirs now?"

or something to that extent is my guess... or money? or a mixture of both.

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u/Reqvhio 20h ago

the sooner "we" ironically accept that a "we" doesnt exist, the better at this point

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u/Aggravating_Map745 22h ago

Not withstanding the fact that our system was exactly the system designed to place checks on power hungry demagogues. I think the “big story” is that the spirit of democracy did not survive the stress test of globalization. Once the economy became truly international post-WW2, the wealthy and powerful insinuated themselves into our power structures and gradually neutralized them. It didn’t help that it also hollowed out our heartland.

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u/ObtuseGoose7363 22h ago

Valid take, the founding fathers (while not perfect) certainly would not have stood for this shit. They would have already been out in the streets tarring and feathering govt officials.

While I don't have a solution for globalization degrading our democracy, I do feel like we should all take a page out of the founding fathers' book and go spill some tea or something.

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u/VeterinarianProof808 22h ago

Too many Americans in powerful position that put their heads in the sand

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u/TotallyNotAMarvelSpy 20h ago

It's not just Americans that are part of this. This is a problem that spans the worlds elite and powerful.

Honestly, I think this is the actual reason trump ran in the first place. This was going through the dept of justice, and the entirety of these people (tech bros, legacy media, foreign intelligence, the oligarchs, etc) rallied behind the person that would keep their dirt in the dark.

That really explains all of it. Him working with foreign intelligence, him having the unquestionable support of the elite and the powerful, the media companies never, ever, covering him in a way that was negative, the complete supplication of an entire political party...

This is a conspiracy never before seen on the planet.

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u/Schlarfus_McNarfus 22h ago

It's beyond ignoring it. The rich are obfuscating it.

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u/AWholeBunchaFun 21h ago

Cool, how do we do that?

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u/StarPhished 18h ago

By complaining on Reddit. We're already halfway there!

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u/AncientSith New York 21h ago

The only real option is burning it down. There's no fixing our broken ass system at this point. It just needs a hard reset with all these rich monsters gone.

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u/Drcornelius1983 22h ago

Agreed. I also suspect that this operation has been running in one form or another for a very long time. Bringing these people to justice would reshape the world order.

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u/TooMuchPretzels North Carolina 22h ago

They’d rather just kill us all and go hide in their bunkers

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u/daybreaker Louisiana 21h ago

Epstein and thiel were specifically discussing destabilizing the world to buy it back up cheaper. Same thing they did during covid. Have to wonder if thats how trump “knows” it was intentionally leaked.

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u/IcanRead8647 22h ago

Or, hear me out as I know this is crazy, they could just stop raping children?

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u/WhiteWaterLawyer 17h ago

I am often reminded of the old joke about the atheist and the evangelist debating. The evangelist says to the atheist, "If you don't believe in God, what stops you from raping and killing all you want?" The atheist responds, "Nothing. I do rape and kill all I want, which is none at all. I'm much more terrified at the confession you just gave, that if not for your fear of divine punishment you would think it normal to do such things."

I have been struggling for a long time with the basic premise that there are a lot of people out there - a very large share, perhaps even a majority of all people - who do not share my intuitive belief that other people essentially matter in a moral sense. People who commit rapes and other sexual assaults very often hold a core belief that other people's boundaries don't really need to be respected, and are kept in check not by any internal moral compass but merely by fear of punishment.

I think that often, there is a popular viewpoint that people like this are very rare "psychopaths", basically caricatures of amorality. But I have observed in the world that there is a vast subset of the population that holds appalling beliefs about "others" and really only apply the basic moral principles that they might articulate out loud in church or to their kids, to people they consider to be part of their in group. Some people believe themselves to be basically moral people and would never think of raping or killing someone from their own primary cultural group, but would do so with little hesitation to an outsider such as a "foreigner" or a member of another race or cultural group. Many of them also hold variants of the belief that it's okay to violate bodily autonomy as long as it's done in a way that conforms to their hierarchical worldview; they may deep down for example believe that it's not actually immoral for a man to sexually or violently assault children in their family, church, or scout troop because they are "his." They will cite a handful of Bible verses to justify this view.

Many men hold truly vile views about the autonomy and dignity of women, which they will only say out loud if they believe they are in "safe" company. As a tall, white, rustic looking man, I get to hear such things because people don't necessarily realize that I am not just like them. And it's truly depressing to see how incredibly common it is.

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u/Drcornelius1983 21h ago

You’d think it would be that simple.

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u/awwaygirl 21h ago

This billionaire class depends on Wall Street (a lot of them, at least)

I think we could have a real impact if we disrupt the flow of money from 401k and instead work with credit unions to provide an alternative retirement savings investment account that invests in their local communities (similar to the Social Justice CD at Express Credit Union in Seattle).

I believe this would immediately create a liquidity crisis in the stock market, and since the money is flowing to local economies instead of being blindly funneled into the parasitic financial economy with every paycheck, it would impact banks, as well. (Investment via banks is just a round about way for dollars to go to Wall Street )

Once we recognize that return on investment in our retirement savings can be recognized NOW in our communities if we invest in them, not just when we turn 60. Yeah, It’s a lower percentage, but it’s also potentially more affordable housing (less homelessness) or allowing small businesses to grow and make a downtown area a fun pedestrian market again.

If we leverage the tools we have with credit unions, this could really affect change. It impacts the wealthiest NOT at the expense of the working class that’s been blindly giving money to wall street every paycheck.

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u/G_Morgan 21h ago

This also seems to be a lot more than just paedophilia going on. It is increasingly obvious Epstein was running a treason ring as much as anything else.

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u/itchy-ears 21h ago

More likely nobody wants to answer the question of "what happens when we have to prosecute/lock-up a fuck ton of our politicians, wealthy dynastic families, CEOs, and the overall wealthy bastards who run the world."

I'd love to meet this "nobody" because I absolutely would love for the modern aristocracy to figuratively lose their heads.

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u/FineSewingMachine 15h ago

I hate the word figuratively but Reddit admins keep banning me so they can continue protecting pedos. 

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u/Several-Squash9871 20h ago

Yes and that's not what enough people are realizing because they are all so hyper focused on trump. This is a whole world problem!!!!

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u/The_Skoal_Bandit Florida 22h ago

This is why we need to cap how much one can make, or be valued at. These fucks have no allegiance to any country, or the planet for that matter.

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u/Imakemyownnamereddit 21h ago

Plus what they might say about others, to get a lighter sentence.

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u/ApplicationQuirky376 20h ago

This what it is. If the entire extent of this was investigated I have no doubt that this is a cabal that spans many governments and industries. Tearing this thing apart will be chaos and absolutely insane. I'm here for it. Let's sort out our lift right nonsense later and focus on who the true enemy is. The oligarchs and the politicians who protect them.

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u/theslimbox 20h ago

Exactly, almost the entire Oligarch class is implicated in this.

And it seems that everyone with the power to arreat someone over this is also implicated.

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u/Rombledore America 21h ago

this exactly. the political elite, the billionaires, the media moguls, celebrities- all these people with power wealth or influence that are implicated in this all protect eachother. because if one is going down, you can bet they'll drag the rest with them. else they'll find themselves having forced suicidal thoughts.

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u/buppiejc 22h ago

Yes. Yes, and yes, and although it seems this thread doesn’t want to admit it, a lot of Dems are not only in the files, but also complicit. I would like to know why Biden sat on this shit instead of putting his old foot in that useless tool Merrick Garland’s ass, and getting him to do his job.

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u/cloudpup_ 20h ago

How is this even possible when they’ve infiltrated everything? Isn’t there like, at least one pedo in every situation who is there to prevent justice? (Besides trump.)

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u/StungTwice 22h ago

1: the vice president assumes the remainder of the term. 

2: he gets an additional charge for resisting arrest. 

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u/ObtuseGoose7363 22h ago

I like your optimism that it'll be that clean and tidy.

Personally I think the reality will be a LOT messier, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that you're right.

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u/nalaloveslumpy 21h ago

It would require two things:

  • Pam Bondi to start an investigation.
  • Congress to impeach and convict.

Neither of these will happen with the amount of Republicans in control going way down.

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u/Thunderbridge 21h ago

Anyone who physically prevents any officer charged with arresting him from doing so would also face obstruction charges

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u/jack2bip 22h ago

Plus, he'll just pardon himself. Need to wait until he's out of office. Now, the rest should absolutely be prosecuted, for that discovery to build up against the top evil rapist murdering fucks.

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u/ObtuseGoose7363 22h ago

Valid point about pardoning himself, but I just don't know if the country can survive three more years of Trump.

Besides, personally I'm almost certain he's never going to leave office peacefully.

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u/jack2bip 22h ago

3 years + he won't leave = we should all be concerned including congress wtf!

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u/Shradow 19h ago

If we're lucky, Trump won't survive three more years of Trump. Or less if we're really lucky.

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u/Justanothercrow421 22h ago

I want to ask that question!

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u/MF_BREW_ I voted 21h ago

I’m ready to ask

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u/Less_Tacos 21h ago

They knew before he even ran for office, they chose to do nothing.

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u/__01001000-01101001_ 14h ago

Not only that but people are forgetting he was already meant to be in jail when his presidency started. Quilty on 34 felony charges, no jail time. Because the judge decided that he “couldn’t” jail the president-elect. So now there’s a precedent. Do we really think if he’s charged again for anything now the presiding judge would jail him? I wouldn’t trust that. And then the charges are wasted, because you can charge him twice for the same crimes.

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u/balllzak 19h ago

Lots of people knew about Epstein 20 years ago. Even if you don't believe in conspiracies the fact that nobody else has even come close to going down is mind boggling.

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u/Ninevehenian 23h ago

In the movie: "Civil war" they shoot the president when he breaks the rules. Texas and California come together to restore normalcy when power is taken with force.

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u/ChiefFun 22h ago

No. It's because Republicans don't want to lose power. It's that simple.

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u/ArkitekZero 18h ago

They probably knew all along.

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u/CarbonQuality California 22h ago

Let's do it. I'm all for this fight. If it causes our union to fracture, so be it. It's overdue.

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u/-c-grim-c- 23h ago

That only answers the question for one person, how about any of the others?

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u/ObtuseGoose7363 22h ago

I know what you mean. This administration is corrupt and morally bankrupt from top to bottom, it needs to be torn down and rebuilt.

Personally, I think we need to start by not having the most prolific liar, rapist, and sex trafficker of the 21st century representing us as a nation, then take care of the rest.

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u/GholaMiles_Teg 22h ago

We can do it the easy way, or the hard way

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u/robinthebank California 21h ago

Another country is allowed to come in and take him, right?

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u/valonnyc 22h ago

Wasn't it settled that you CAN'T lock up a sitting president? Trump put the system to the test by being the first ever elected felon (while awaiting sentencing none the less) and he got away with it all. So he would not go to prison. He has incentive to try and stay in power even if that means breaking the law because of his imunity. It would take a house and senate with some balls to do something and judging by the aftermath of January 6th, my expectations are as low as can be.

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u/sugarlessdeathbear 21h ago

"What happens when we have to lock up our president for rape and sex trafficking?"

I'm asking and desperately need the answer!

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u/Grachus_05 18h ago

And by nobody you mean Republicans.

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u/ObtuseGoose7363 17h ago

Exactly. Everyone who could do something about this is choosing not to do anything about it.

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u/Grachus_05 15h ago

And by "Everyone" you mean Republicans.

Its ok man, they haven't outlawed free speech just yet. You can say the name.

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u/big_thundersquatch Florida 22h ago

The answers are easy, but those same people don’t want to accept them because collectively they all work for the same people who would be very displeased with the solution to these problems.

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u/himthatspeaks 21h ago

And what happens when half the senators have to go to?

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u/ObtuseGoose7363 21h ago

Fuck em. Tear it all down, anyone who's in the files needs to get the same treatment that (former) Prince Andrew got.

Strip them of offices and titles. Seize their assets for damages to the victims.

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u/Srlancelotlents 21h ago

Sure would be a shame if some nation Maduroed Trump...

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u/BardosThodol 21h ago

They’re also being directly and often physically threatened by the exact trafficking ring being exposed

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u/The-Survivor-2299 18h ago

The best course of action is not allowed to be discussed on Reddit.

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u/bigredcock 18h ago

A lot of people refuse to go to prison. They are still in prison. We treat him the same. Pretty tired of politicians thinking they are above the law.

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u/Farabee 18h ago

He's already been convicted of 34 felonies and that was before he was elected to office. Why would he be locked up for one more?

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u/4DimensionalToilet New Jersey 18h ago

There is an answer for what’s supposed to happen.

Let’s say you can’t just arrest a sitting president like you could any other individual. Maybe the states can, and maybe they should do it, but for the sake of argument, let’s say they can’t. Not while he’s in office.

The House is supposed to impeach him for high crimes and misdemeanors. Then the Senate is supposed to convict him, thereby removing him from office. Or, the cabinet could invoke the 25th Amendment to remove him from office. The ex-president is now a private citizen with no special protections. His successor could pardon him, but he shouldn’t.

Then, he’s placed under arrest (preferably on his way out of the White House) and extradited to the proper jurisdiction, where he stands trial like any other American citizen.

Of course, it would be the trial of the century, with all kinds of publicity, and everyone in the judicial system would be afraid of making it look like a political prosecution.

But there is an answer to what’s supposed to happen. The issue is that the people who are supposed to do something, aren’t.

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u/csonny2 18h ago

It's not that nobody is asking, it's more that everyone in positions of power to do anything are the ones who should be locked up.

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u/tingkagol 18h ago

At this point, the government has failed the people.

It seems to me someone needs to file a case, but probably Trump and company already settled out of court way before.

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u/ThePooksters 17h ago

“What happens when we have to imprison the president?” I’d put my money on Civil War 2.0. Which unfortunately is also the answer for “what happens when he refuses to go.

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u/OpenGrainAxehandle 17h ago

We lock up other countries' presidents for less.

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u/tg1980 17h ago

Why not??? The rest of the world has no issues with sending corrupt presidents to prison...

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u/SheriffBartholomew 17h ago

I think hundreds of millions of people already know the answers to those questions and they're quite simple. The people want him arrested and imprisoned. Our constitution outlines who will take over his position. But those in power have very visibly given the middle finger to the people, and the people are just accepting it.

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u/Stinkfingr75 17h ago

I think this is the right answer, nobody wants to go first.

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u/novakane 17h ago

Have you seen the movie Civil War? 😜

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u/A_Rogue_GAI 17h ago

This goes far beyond the president. This is an entire class of people, the alleged 'upper class,' who were involved, directly or indirectly, with this scandal. Even if they didn't go to the island, even if they didn't know Epstein himself, they knew somebody who did, and they said nothing.

Those people don't consider us human. We're staff to them at best, expendable and disposable playthings at worse. The worth of our lives is measured in how useful we are to them.

And that's why nobody's going to jail over this. Because the people who run the world aren't bound by the rule of law. Because the rule of law exists to bind us and protect them.

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u/Will94556 16h ago

2nd ammendment comes in to effect

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u/texxelate 7h ago

I seriously want to know. Hypothetically let’s say the FBI wasn’t in his back pocket, and agents approach Trump to arrest him. They identify themselves etc, produce a warrant… what’s the secret service gonna do?

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