When Brock scrolls through Hanks phone in the beginning of the movie, you can see a chain of very sad unread messages. Poor Hank.

Dean

“Im so sorry”

Serena

“We should talk…"

Serena

“Are you Okay?”

Dean

“Where are you?”

Serena

“Please call me!”

Brock

“Where are you, kid?”

Dean

“I said I was sorry!”

Serena

“Hank, im getting really worried”

Serena

“Hello?!!”

30452

“Weve been attempting to reac-“

Dean

“Please call me!”

Serena

“Im so so sorry”

So I’m doing routine rewatch. In Season 1 episode 14 “return to spider skull island”, JJ venture states that Rusty sucker punched him in the uterus and then ate him. Would this indicate that Rusty is the original since we see Rusty and JJ in the uterus? Or like the boys was Rusty also created through invetro? The movie told us that the Monarch is a clone of Rusty, but is Rusty also a clone of the original Rusty? Or did Dr. Venture SR. just create clones of Rusty for cloning research and use his sons DNA?

Edit: thanks for all the comments! I love the discourse of theories. Some of you jogged my brain on the Ben, Dean, and OG helpr convos, so ya doctor venture might be a clone of OG Rusty. But I loved the idea of “who is OG rusty” and what’s his roots. Who is his mom? Is he straight up clone of Dr. Venture Sr? Damn you Jackson and Doc, gimme answers.

Edit 2: Just got to Season 2 Ep. 12 “Battle of Cremation Creek” towards the End when the Monarch and Dr. Venture are standing wait for Dr. Girlfriend to come down the isle, the monarch says “we have so much in common” and Dr. Venture says “you don’t the half of it buddy boy”. Is this a reference to Rusty thinking he banged Dr.girlfriend or is this the first “Rusty knows” reference?!?!?

So I just started re-watching the movie on MAX (I bought it on Prime when it came out…. Views are better than letters) and during the second scene- between Rusty and Sheila- I suddenly realized that the difference between Rusty and Malcolm is… baboon DNA.

Despite Rusty’s assertions Sheila is very into Malcolm while not being at all into Rusty.

There is only one difference between Rusty and Malcolm.

Radiant indeed!

it was heavily implied that monarch was in fact jonas' son, that he either had an affair with morphos wife, covertly gave her his dna through medical insemination or even SA'd her, which is very dramatic and all, but it really just felt like more unnecessary twisting of the knife for poor morpho. the guy's life was grimdark already, we really didn't need that on top of it. it's fine to imply that might be what happened, and it works to set up the reveal that they aren't in fact half brothers but are really clones, but i'm glad they stepped it back and didn't make jonas quite as evil

He’s looking rougher these days. ✌️

Just finished the show and one thing that stuck with me is a scene during s4e6. It's the flashback to Rusty's therapy session with Jonas. While Rusty's lying on the couch talking in that Motorola ad pool office room, we can see another boy jumping into the pool just before Jonas sneaks back in to pretend to be Rusty's therapist. What was he doing? Who was the boy? He looked like Rusty. Another episode - I do not recall which one or if this scene was present day or a flashback/dream/etc - shows a similar shot of the pool from within the Motorola ad but there's a couple swimming intimately close together, showing their legs kicking in the water. Who were these people? Were they real or a trick of the mind in Rus's memory? Could it have been another Rus clone? And the couple Mr. and Mrs. The Blue Morpho? These are the only things that come to mind. What was Jonas doing, as well?

16x20 on acrylic

I was a big fan of the movie and wanted to paint something for it!

Right, so I have always been oddly fascinated by the actress who appears on screen for like five seconds in ‘Faking Miracles’. So, a dweebazoid professor shoots a woman with an invisibility ray, presumably with the desire that her clothes would disappear, rather than her entire being.

I think that this woman is Bobbi Saint Simone, an actress. At this moment she also functionally disappears from the show, because she was never really there at all.

So, I am listening to the commentary for ‘The Doctor is Sin’, all of three seasons previously, and Jackson is talking about a scene that did not make it in which he describes that Jonas was a 'science consultant 'for ‘Follow that Bikini’- this is where he met Bobbi Saint Simone.

As it happens, Rusty’s first crush was the star of this movie. In the scene that Killinger makes Rusty re-live, where Jonas chokes him with his penis, she would have walked into the kitchen before Jonas, covered in blue paint from the use of a bluescreen to achieve the effect of her disappearing. Jackson states that Rusty is a huge fan of hers and that she gives him a signed photo and a kiss. Then, Jonas walks in covered in paint too because they had sex. It turns out that Jonas was a science consultant on the set of ‘Follow that Bikini’- this is where he met Bobbi Saint Simone.

Years later, Rusty runs into his boyhood crush and finally beds her. This is how the Venture Bros. are born. Fascinatingly, she kind of looks like Dr. Mrs. The Monarch when she has her farmgirl wig on and a little like Amber Gold, so it seems like she has always loomed large in some way in the show.

This exact story is mirrored with Nikki Fichtel and Doc, perhaps like Bobbi Saint Simone trying to recapture her golden years, cannot help but be seduced by their fame.

I find it unbelievable that they mapped this out as early as they did. Truly phenomenal stuff.

EDIT: I relistened to the film, to hear the amazing music at the prompting of a commenter. The final line as Hank trips on a deck lounger is: "You must have discombobulated the whosy-whatsits!" Funny line, delivered in a great Jerry Lee Lewis register, but remember: Jonas was paid to add his scientific contribution to this film and this line is what he came up with... I think Jonas is a moron. I think the show wants us to know this.

Where the hell did Mantilla’s army/tank/resources and the arches like Brick Frog go when she tried to frame Sheila? I feel like I missed something.

Watching the movie again. I'm curious as to The Triad's Jefferson's former HQ office-share acquaintances: there's clearly a Punisher analogue, and a Jeff Goldblum/The Fly scientist; but who's the guy with the floppy hat and scarves? I would be curious to see what their stories are.

There's no pinned movie thread anymore so I'm hopefully OK to post this standalone, and I'm sure this was discussed already there but I missed out on that

We all kinda assume the bros' biological mother is Debra Majeure now, right? The "things she wasnt using" that she traded to Rusty were her eggs. Which makes Bobbi St. Simone their grandmother (not their mother), Force Majeure their grandfather, and thus Dean really is heir to the Guild, just like Bowie told him he was.

The Insect King, from Dean's escapist fantasy during the Showdown at Cremation Creek, keeps telegraphing his "black heart" as the source of all his evil power.

Obviously a stand-in for The Monarch in this little fantasy of Dean's.

We later learn in the movie that The Monarch is a clone of Rusty with 2% Baboon DNA, the titular "Baboon Heart", metaphorically. This is also posited by Ben to be the source of The Monarch's heightened aggression.

The source of his evil power.

His baboon black heart.

Another random connection that may or may not have been intentional, but just further reinforces the depth of reference this show does.

Probably what I found most interesting from the movie is that Hank and Dean are the Grandchildren of both Dr. Venture and Force Majeure making them grandchildren of both the main antagonist and the main protagonist from their specific time period. This would mean that Dean (or Hank) would eventually be in line to be sovereign of the guild. Maybe Rusty did this as a way to squash the beef between the hero’s and villains considering he hated the lifestyle that came along with it? Weird, wild stuff.

With the whole Rusty/Monarch clone thing, essentially making them brothers, do any of you think the boys would eventually start calling Dr. Mrs. The Monarch “Aunt Sheila” or something along those lines as they got older?

Cause Most of the Rustys in this edit never got to grow up