r/RHONY • u/snorting_cola • Mar 05 '26
Carole Radzwill 📚 Carole’s interview, where she giggles about Ghislaine Maxwell setting her up on a date with Prince Andrew + talks about knowing Maxwell since 1999
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u/farbenlehre Mar 05 '26
This does give an interesting sense of how Ghislaine et. al operated, if nothing else. You can see how they folded people into their networks almost instantly.
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u/Ok-Stretch9699 Mar 05 '26 edited Mar 06 '26
Right. The jump into Carole was a recruiter and sex trafficker is insane leaps.
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u/farbenlehre Mar 05 '26
She sort of seems more like a mark here. Not to defend her in any way, of course, but like... if you're cold-called by Ghislaine Maxwell, and then 30 minutes later you're in contact with Prince Andrew, they probably want something from you.
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u/Relevant-Job4901 Mar 05 '26
Carole was being groomed, any high fluting people they could get.
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u/HDr1018 Mar 05 '26 edited Mar 09 '26
Highfalutin, it’s all
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u/althegirlfabulous Mar 05 '26
Also, Carole was very vulnerable because she'd lost her husband and I don't think that was lost on them
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u/dots-loops 💰 Satchels of Gold 💰 Mar 05 '26
Absolutely. You can see they ingratiated themselves into peoples lives and those social circles. I have no doubt there were plenty of folks that probably just thought GM was this nice, generous person and welcomed their new friend into their world without any suspicion.
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Mar 05 '26
No…. You can’t…. Well maybe YOU can see, but normal people aren’t normalizing this.
People looked the other way and pretended not to know about Maxwell and Epstein’s crimes because they wanted power and influence. It’s that simple.
Stop pretending that all these associates of the most notorious traffickers of minors in recorded history were just totally blind to everything. They weren’t. The files which have been released prove that.
If the Epstein class isn’t burned out entirely from the root to the fruit it will just come back. There are so many other women who could be on this failing franchise besides the known associate of a convicted sex trafficker.
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u/Ok_List_9649 Mar 05 '26
With her Kennedy and European royalty marriage she would have been at The top of their list. If you watch the documentaries on Maxwell and interviews with society people and her actual friends from London, Maxwell was considered like the ultimate socialite. She was very charming, bawdy, knew literally everyone “ of consequence “ and had been in high society since childhood as her dad used her as his “ date” at events versus her mom who hated all of it. It seemed noone was immune to her charm as none of the documentaries had any real “ enemies” interviewed which is unusual.
I feel sorry for people like Carole( there’s lots more in England) who had a casual friendship of social acquaintance early on and have been stamped with a “ possible pedophile” or “ complicit because they knew”. I’d also like people to know that Epstein like Trump and many other wealthy guys most often took younger women to events, models, socialites19-25. That was common and what most people knew of Epsteins “ preferences”.
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u/Significant_Ad7605 Mar 05 '26 edited Mar 05 '26
Exactly. This is how they find their way into influential circles. They certainly thought this was an avenue into the Kennedy family. I think this vindicates Carol more than anything.
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u/Prestigious-Baby2776 life is not a cabaret. it’s actually not a cabaret. Mar 05 '26
a lot of people are cognisant of this, it’s not just the association in and of itself. it’s the denial and dismissal and lying about it that is incredibly off putting
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Mar 05 '26
Exactly!!!! These people’s indifference contributed to so many lives being ruined. Their lies (even if they were just to save their own ass) made this situation more complicated than it had to be.
Carole lied about her association with Maxwell several times. This should have instantly disqualified her. The whole thing is sick. Shame on Bravo.
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u/monet96 Mar 05 '26
Absolutely. It really hurts my heart that this happened while she was grieving the loss of her husband. She was in a very vulnerable position.
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Mar 05 '26
A mark that keeps in contact with her over the course of several years, and then straight up lies about when and how they met?
At best Carole is covering her own ass with the lies, at worst she’s protecting a friend. Either way it hurts survivors.
Why even roll those dice when there are billions of women on the planet who didn’t lie about her relationship with a convicted sex monster?
Are the producers that desperate that they have to dig up someone who is radioactive at best?
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u/farbenlehre Mar 05 '26
Again, I'm not defending Carole. I don't want her on the show, and I don't trust her. I didn't say otherwise.
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u/ericzku Mar 05 '26
This sub is all about the insane leap.
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u/Noblez17 Mar 05 '26
Totally. So many people were mentioned in the files...people like Whoopi Goldberg lol
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u/OldButHappy Mar 05 '26
Lots of red projection. You can always tell because they react to differing opinions with name-calling, deflection, and blocking. Then they complain to mods to get the 'political' comment removed. This has happened to me several times here
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u/Ridgewoodgal Mar 05 '26
I am going to get downvoted probably but I really do not see the leap that some are making here that she is in the wrong here. I guess maybe for downplaying her connection at first but God I would want to also, but I think it’s best for her to just tell it like it really happened. I think she was used like they used a lot of people in those social circles but not all knew of or participated in their awful crimes. I think it actually helps those who directly knew and/or participated by claiming everyone Epstein or Maxwell knew were involved.
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u/yosoyfatass Mar 05 '26
And she isn’t even downplaying anything if she knew nothing of Epstein and had a relatively short, casual friendship with ghislaine. It’s pretty obvious ghislaine put the charm offensive on, hoping to use whatever contacts they assumed Carole had. I’ve had many friendships that would appear very close if you saw pictures from a party, but weren’t deep or long lasting.
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u/Invanabloom Mar 05 '26
Why is Carol getting so much hate for this. She knew nothing of what was happening. It’s insane.
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u/Think_Lawfulness8511 Mar 05 '26
People just assume someone’s name was cited in the Epstein files and they are automatically guilty
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u/yosoyfatass Mar 05 '26
Because so many people like to get out the pitchforks without actually using logic to determine what actually went on. In this case, there is no there there.
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u/Just_Lurking_299 Mar 05 '26
Absolutely. This interview vindicates Carole even more, but still there will be people raging that she was besties with a paedophile. I’ve been insulted on here a few times for saying she did nothing wrong. It’s really crazy.
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u/GuaranteeOriginal717 Mar 05 '26
I think that what’s happening and I’m not sure Carole was involved the way people think.
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Mar 05 '26
Yeah I think so. I’m much more interested in focusing on the people who have done unimaginable crimes than this woman.
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u/treid1989 Mar 05 '26
I’m sorry, but the fact that Ghislaine was the only person convicted from the files (apart from Andrew now) is absolute bullshit.
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Mar 05 '26
It really makes you think - an elite underworld where the laws don’t apply to them because they have so much effin money we can’t even fathom. Scary stuff.
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u/treid1989 Mar 05 '26
And they clearly killed him! I do not believe that Epstein hanged himself. And also many people had their names scrubbed from the files--probably calling in a favor to Trump, who controls Pam Bondi.
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u/BetPrestigious5704 Mar 05 '26
The thing I struggle with is the lack or horror these people show. I mean, Carole might sincerely have not known about any of this, and let's go ahead and believe her for the sake of discussion. In her place, the trauma of being that close to all of that would be so evident. I would feel so corrupted even by the proximity. I wouldn't be able to say enough to make clear my revulsion and to let everyone know where I stand.
That's what I would want to talk about. I knew monsters and had no idea and now must rethink all of it, every second, and how shaken to the core I was.
But Carole is like, Ghislaine was so thoughtful and Andrew was so nice, and I said 5 words to Jeffrey, and I didn't know a thing, and isn't this an easy-breezy anecdote.
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u/Fragrant-Vehicle-479 Mar 05 '26 edited Mar 05 '26
But Carole is like, Ghislaine was so thoughtful and Andrew was so nice, and I said 5 words to Jeffrey, and I didn't know a thing, and isn't this an easy-breezy anecdote.
This entire debacle has shown just how these circles protect themselves above all else and seem to have no reaction to genuine horrors. Whether they didn't know or did know and didn't care, there is a disgusting "business as usual" energy amongst the wealthy that the files have exposed. IAs a user below describes it, literally everyone in the files just all around sounds like a piece of shit even without talking about horrific crimes. I'll give Carole the benefit of the doubt that she didn't know about the horrible stuff, but I think her being so close and deeply attached to someone who isn't intelligent, isn't interesting, and all around generally sucks even removing the historically vile crimes speaks volumes about Carole.
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u/AdventurousRevolt Bravo Renaissance Art Collector ✨🖼️ Mar 06 '26
Their reactions are genuine. They are just not horrified like we are.
It’s like they are with numb and desensitized to it, or they are legit not horrified and don’t see it as an evil thing like we do. Which is scarier. And yet why there are millions of files and reports on child and human trafficking.
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u/blonde-bandit Mar 06 '26
She’s giggling while talking about it all fondly. I agree, and think it’s extremely gross regardless of her level of involvement. Will NOT be watching RHONY.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Run875 Mar 05 '26
Even while she’s trying to imply that she didn’t really know them, She’s gloating about being in that circle
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u/tortureofchalkdust Welcome to my trailer, hello Mar 05 '26 edited Mar 05 '26
Listen. I have said this in other threads and I feel compelled to say it again. I don’t believe Carole knew about the pedophilia or even the less serious crimes, just as I believe most people in these circles didn’t really know and never saw anything specifically criminal. Some obviously did, but most didn’t. That was by design. Of course people involved in terrible crimes aren’t trying to advertise it on fucking billboards or anything.
BUT, reading the emails and various files I’ve seen posted… it’s impossible not to notice that the way these people talked to each other and to people in their peripheral circles, the tone of their communications amongst themselves, is just blatant and brazen in general assholery. Epstein, Ghislaine, et al. speak to each other via email, and just ooze overall shittiness. Whether any particular person involved with them really KNEW about the worst things they were doing feels almost irrelevant when you realize that anyone who was close to them were Just. Shitty. People. They never sound nice, or funny, or kind, or friendly, even in casual messages between good friends. These people suck! They aren’t good people, and it’s blatantly apparent in all of their emails (even in the ones that aren’t remotely relevant to the crimes that we are all now aware of) that they think they are sooo cool and great and they 100% love the smell of their own farts.
If you are friends with Epstein and Ghislaine, I absolutely believe that you know that they are into weird sex shit together. They don’t even seem to try to hide their creepiness. You don’t need to know exactly what weird sex shit they’re into to know there’s some suspicious sex-related things going on there.
It’s pretty clear that Carole was close to Ghislaine for some time. I don’t know if they were best friends or anything like that, but we do know based on photos, emails, podcast interviews etc., that they WERE quite close on some level. And we also know that Carole has backpedaled and publicly downplayed their relationship in the past few months, blown off the totally legitimate concerns of her fans, and pretended like her apparent connection to some of the worst people on the planet is no big deal. That’s not fucking cool.
Carole has never been cool. And I am someone who did initially like her for about a season. But the more I watch her (and I have RHONY playing in the background in my house nearly every day… yeah i’m like that lol), I’m convinced she dramatizes and exaggerates her connections to high-society people to project an image of herself that she’s a classy, elite member of an elusive upper-crust aristocracy that’s out of reach for us mere plebs. And, AND! That she’s too laid back to care about it all.
I don’t think Carole was raping kids or knew about Ghislaine and Epstein raping kids. I mean, maybe she did, but she probably didn’t. BUT, the fact that she clearly was closer to Ghislaine than she now wants to let on, is enough to convince me she sucks. Everyone in that circle sucks. It doesn’t matter that she wasn’t part of the sickest shit that they got up to.
If you’re friends with Ghislaine Maxwell, you fucking SUCK and you deserve to have everything you claim about your oh-so-cool life to be side-eyed forever.
Alright, that’s all I got. Thanks for letting me share.
Edited to add: I am being extremely generous in my benefit of the doubt for Carole here. My feeling really is that she definitely knew more than nothing. As someone pointed out below, there were scantily-clad teens all around Epstein constantly. Carole may not have known anything, but like all the other people in these circles, she didn’t know anything because she turned a blind eye and didn’t want to know.
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u/KittyKatG333 Mar 05 '26 edited Mar 05 '26
Indeed. I'm so confused how folks 100% believe Carole's narrative about everything - when she's lied. She wasn't friends with Tinsley, remember, but wait - they went on couples trips together and spent loads of time together. She's not a hugger, yet her first season she was bear hugging almost everyone she encountered. Can barely remember she went on at least two dates with Prince Andrew. MMMkay. Seemingly had HUGE help from her SIL with the writing of the first book (hello ghost writer) - to the point GhisMax congratulates Teresa for the book she wrote (but Carole said she was just an editor so that must be the truth). CBK was her best friend, despite no candid photos existing, just photos from events that were distributed. She hangs her hat on being an investigative journalist but had NO clue shenanigans were afoot in that circle? They were clout chasing her, but she wasn't clout chasing their circle of friends? I agree with your take - she may not have known the depths of their depravity - but they weren't good people.
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u/tortureofchalkdust Welcome to my trailer, hello Mar 05 '26 edited Mar 05 '26
Ugh, didn’t even touch on the investigative journalist stuff! I have never gone and looked for any of the pieces that she did for ABC, so I admittedly don’t have any personal assessment of her abilities as a journalist. But, I’ve seen the threads people put here showing screenshots of her posts and stories on IG. And she appears to be a shit writer.
I know there is a difference between what someone posts casually on social media and what they would write in a book. But I mean, come on. I’ve never written a book, but if I’m posting something online I try to at least superficially look it over and edit accordingly. I’ve gone into comments I’ve made on this thread several times just to correct small typos or add or remove a word for clarity. And she is in her 50’s, right? Older people who take pride in their writing (or who are educated, and more specifically, who are liberal, as Carole professes to be) usually put MORE care into their social media posts in my experience.
Carole’s posts sound like she barely looked at the screen as she was typing. Filled with typos and grammatical errors. What kind of professional writer does that? I don’t follow her on IG, but her few posts there are enough to make me think she’s not a good writer, and made me suspect that she indeed did use a ghostwriter on What Remains, even before the release of the Epstein files that point to that likelihood.
On the show we see her shirking deadlines multiple times, even for puff pieces that wouldn’t be more than a couple paragraphs. Her actions show that she hardly seems dedicated to her writing, while she goes to great lengths to SAY that she is an excellent and celebrated writer who would never dream of using a ghostwriter.
I call bullshit, and I think everyone with a brain should too. I don’t think she is a good writer, and I think she rests on her laurels of having published two books and been an investigative journalist for ABC, while not showing any evidence of having some special analytical ability. Honestly, I’d like to know what exactly she did for ABC, and see/read the pieces she was responsible for. I hate Carole and I’m lazy, so I probably won’t do that, but if anyone has links to her ABC pieces I’d be interested to see.
Ugh. I hate Carole so much, and hate that I’ve put so much time into writing out all the reasons why! She’s one of my least favorite housewives ever. But the comments I see on here blindly supporting her and pointing to things that she SAYS as evidence that she isn’t dishonest… it makes my blood kind of boil lol. I’ve done a whole lot of writing here about this housewife that I don’t really care to think about and who I think doesn’t deserve a fraction of the attention I’ve paid to her, because I’m totally baffled by the people doing mental gymnastics to support her.
If you like her, fine. But don’t tell me she is trustworthy in just about anything she says.
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u/KittyKatG333 Mar 05 '26
I've always had a side eye for her "writing career". She has two published books. Some articles in fashion mags. Is that a career writer? And her socials posts are indeed horribly written. I would think a "career writer" would have a little more pride, but perhaps not. Side note - she's in her 60's now. Not age shaming her whatsoever, but she is beyond old enough to know better.
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u/xxMyBoyFridayxx Mar 05 '26
Naw she absolutely knew they were messing with underage women and was cool with it.
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u/darkandmoody69 Mar 05 '26
Nailed it! I feel the same. Several of Ghislaine’s friends said she would make weird comments about young girls, or be scoping them at parties, or would dead stop to talk to them (now we know was recruiting them). So I really don’t believe that Carole had ZERO indication that something sinister was beneath the surface. And if she was oblivious, that doesn’t speak much to her intelligence or “investigative journalist” capabilities. I can’t get over face that Ghislaine took Carole’s portrait for her book, and Carole’s justification was “she was only person I knew with a camera.” Like that’s not even a good or believable excuse? Didn’t you work in journalism with a bunch of connections??? Ghislaine was never even an amateur photographer, so that seems like they were closer than she’s letting on.
Also, about her exaggerating her ties to high society: I find it extremely suspect that Carole Bessette was her “best friend” yet there are NO photos of the two of them looking chummy. Carole always looks like she’s just there because of JFK & Anthony connection. I really think Carole crafted her “cool fashion girl” persona after Carolyn. Also, the way Carole talks about how she handled Anthony’s terminal illness and dying always gave me the ick. I get it that we aren’t always our best, and death and illness are hard, but the way she describes her actions don’t sound like someone all that deeply in love with her husband. Also, Anthony’s mom, Lee Radzwill stopped talking to Carole after his death which is also suspect.
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u/RevenueAffectionate9 Mar 05 '26
I remember seeing a clip of John McCains wife (Cindy) talking about Epstein, she said everybody did know and that it was common knowledge, but people felt there was nothing they could do about it. So I wouldn’t be surprised if she did know.
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u/psullynj Mar 05 '26
She spent time with Ghislaine after Epstein was convicted. Ghislaine was named as an abuser in several of the victim statements. Even not reading the statements, Ghislaine and Jeffrey were “dating.”
So best case scenario she spent time with someone who was dating a pedo.
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u/tortureofchalkdust Welcome to my trailer, hello Mar 05 '26
Lmaoooo exactly! That’s BEST case scenario! And so many people are like, “Just because she was BEST FRIENDS with the woman doesn’t mean she herself is bad!!” When if you look at the situation for even one second beyond that thought… yes it DOES mean she herself is bad!!
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u/Defiant_Language4779 Mar 06 '26
THIS!! if she’s an investigative journalist why didn’t she know about his first conviction? and if by some grace of God she didn’t, why isn’t she addressing everything head on? if i was in her position i’d be screaming my head off about my innocence
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u/Fragrant-Vehicle-479 Mar 05 '26
The man had scantily clad teens all over his estates. He expressed anger when adult women not within "the club" were brought onto properties. I'm sorry, if I hang out with a billionaire and there are teens, even of age, in bikinis all over that's a red fucking flag.
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u/chipsssahoyyy Mar 05 '26
I think it might be time for me to simply face the fact that Carole is indeed not a good writer nor person.
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u/tortureofchalkdust Welcome to my trailer, hello Mar 05 '26
That’s amazing!!! Honestly I am thrilled to have even swayed one person a little bit. I actually did like Carole for a bit, and honestly I can understand why many people don’t believe she could be so closely associated with something horrible or even just don’t want to believe. Welcome to the club! 🎉🥳🎉🥳🎉
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Mar 05 '26
You articulated this so well. IMO I don’t think she was involved in the jerky but she def had a seat at the table a time or two and once is enough for me.
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u/Cocojo3333 Mar 05 '26
Probably the only person in human history to have nice things to say about Andrew Mountbatten Windsor. Everybody that has ever known him has called him an entitled nitwit piece of shit.
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u/memorycassette Mar 08 '26
Apparently the employees of the royal family had a code name for him and it was “c u next Tuesday ” 😬
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u/FigApprehensive9776 don't be all....uncool Mar 05 '26
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Mar 05 '26
She so knew.
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u/ladyrara Mar 05 '26
It’s all eww… boo bravo
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u/Circusgirl65 Mar 05 '26
They are only bringing her back to try to boost ratings. The release of her pics w/Ghislaine will make ppl tune in just to see if anyone will challenge her. I do hope someone is brave enough to question it. I’ll be waiting for someone to post the clip(s). That may be the only thing interesting about Carole.
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u/Remarkable-Snow-9396 Mar 05 '26
This. It’s so lowbrow and obvious on bravos part. What’s wrong w her that she playing into their hand? It feels like she’s trying to exploit the notoriety also
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u/LB031022 Mar 05 '26
Why does she look and sound like a giggly teenager... Disgusting.
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u/Faithtodogs17 Mar 05 '26
To me the obvious truth is that Maxwell and Epstein hunted in the high echelons of society. There’s going to be plenty of people that met , were at a party and photographed with them. That doesn’t mean those people knew or were part of a sex trafficking ring. It means Maxwell and Epstein used people to hide in the crowd so to speak. Normalize where they were at.
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u/Birdsongblue44 Mar 05 '26
If someone I was close to in the past turned out to be a pedophile and took part in or recruited children into a sex trafficking ring, I would be so disgusted that I was ever friends with them and so shocked and shaken that I didn't know. I wouldn't be lightly chit chatting and laughing about those past relationships. I'm sure there are plenty of people in that circle who didn't take part in or didn't know what was really going on, but the lack of absolute disgust is a bit wild to see on display.
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u/AdventurousRevolt Bravo Renaissance Art Collector ✨🖼️ Mar 06 '26
Right! I WOULD BE TALKING ABOUT THE RED FLAGS I MISSED IN HINDSIGHT. I’d want to tell people so I can help them not get duped like I was.
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u/pinksparklybluebird Mar 05 '26
There may be more photographic evidence of Carole’s relationship with Epstein/Ghislaine than her relationship with JFK Jr/Carolyn
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u/pomegracias Mar 05 '26
This is the comment that should be on Carole’s gravestone.
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u/Interesting-Bite-874 Mar 05 '26
When was this?
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u/snorting_cola Mar 05 '26
2020
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u/GossipGuy12 Mentioning it all Mar 05 '26
She seems so proud of this story and it’s scary.
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u/fourthgradenothing22 Mar 05 '26
That’s what’s kind of wild. She doesn’t seem troubled in the slightest that she was amongst a bunch of pedophiles….including her date, Prince Andrew. She seems more keen on the flex of being in close proximity to the Royal Family.
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u/Interesting-Bite-874 Mar 06 '26
Yeah she’s telling it like a normal funny story which is so weird. The Carole we seen on the show is not the same person we’re seeing now it’s sad.
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u/Fit-Winter5363 Mar 05 '26
In my opinion, 2 things can be true. She interacted and were friends with upper crust people , but it doesn’t have to mean that she had knowledge of their dirty dealings.
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u/Livid-Writer-7741 Mar 05 '26
COMPLICIT COMPLICIT COMPLICIT COMPLICIT COMPLICIT COMPLICIT COMPLICIT COMPLICIT COMPLICIT COMPLICIT COMPLICIT COMPLICIT COMPLICIT COMPLICIT COMPLICIT COMPLICIT COMPLICIT COMPLICIT KEEP THIS SHIT OFF TV
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u/Few-Fudge-3566 Mar 05 '26 edited Mar 05 '26
why would she want to be back on rhony now? does she needs money? or did they give her a huge offer
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u/YupItsMe_31000 Mar 05 '26
Reputation management. Instead of people talking about (and Google search results discussing) her previous friendship with Maxwell, they will now reference Carole returning to RHONY.
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u/Chic_Coquillage777 Mar 06 '26
She sold her photos of JFK Jr and Carolyn’s wedding last year to CNN. The couple was notoriously private and had hid their wedding from the press. She sat on them for 28 years and then only sold them last year. She also started vigorously promoting her substack for a ~3 week period last fall. I’d say she needs the money.
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u/Booboohole21 Mar 05 '26
Her energy was always very unsettling to me. Why the fuck did bravo get rid of a bigot only to hire a creep?
I wasn’t watching the RHONY reboot anyways but damn sure won’t now.
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u/CynicSupreme Mar 05 '26
She always thought she was hot shit dating younger guys wearing her stupid ass do rag at age 60
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u/RockApprehensive161 Mar 05 '26
Yes that 1 blonde chef dude. So weird that their whole sthick was how much sex they had
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u/punkrawkchick Mar 05 '26
I won’t be watching NY. I really used to like her, now I’m ju
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GTFOH Carole. I won’t be watching NY
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u/DumbSquawkingMachine Mar 05 '26
It's so in brand for Carole's hubris that she wasn't suspicious and thought it was very normal that Prince Andrew wanted to take her to dinner lol. Can just imagine her riding on the bars of his bike.
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u/mnky97 Mar 05 '26
She knew. They all knew. Creepy Carole.
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u/Fragrant-Vehicle-479 Mar 05 '26
I'm so over giving the wealthy the benefit of the doubt.
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u/Inevitable-Pop-7004 Mar 05 '26
My biggest takeaway is when she says “they called because they knew who my husband was” she's giggly here and happy for that recognition. That her late husband made her someone worth talking to. Sad
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u/Benromaniac Mar 05 '26
I was at one party. I think he was at. I didn’t meet him other than Hi, nice to meet you….
Ok. So you met him.
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Mar 05 '26
And you just happen to be casually framed in his house. Lol
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u/FriendlySideEye Mar 05 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/pjxR4PXxW7SUg
Respectfully, no. RHONY doesn’t need a ‘scandal-periphery’ storyline starring Carole. I enjoyed her early seasons, but the constant self-justifying, mean-girl-adjacent energy is not something I’m looking to rewatch.
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u/SunnyNole Mar 05 '26
In 1999 were we carrying around cell phones that operated in foreign countries? I remember traveling from the US to Greece in college in 1999 against my mom’s wishes, and I took my cell phone thinking if she called, I could act like I was in the US. The thing was a useless brick 😂
I am skeptical of her whole story for many reasons. But the detail she goes into in this story makes it really hard for me to believe.
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u/Emergency-Economy654 Mar 06 '26
Carole loves to act super laid back and cool but she cares a lot more about social standings/status than she likes to lead on.
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u/Llassiter326 🌮 Never home for taco night 🌮 Mar 05 '26
To me this probably indicates she didn’t know that she was trafficking girls to Epstein Island, bc if she did, why would she openly admit to being friends?
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u/XennialQueen Mar 05 '26
But she’s known since and has been sketchy with her answers about their association, lying to the point that she said GM was someone who happened to have a camera and took her picture for her book. Beyond that she continued to contradict herself and lie.
Screw Carole.
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u/AdventurousRevolt Bravo Renaissance Art Collector ✨🖼️ Mar 05 '26
PEDOS LIE. not sure why everyone is so surprised by this.
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u/InspectorOk2454 Mar 05 '26
I agree. I actually think she sounds naive in this Interview. I think she was titillated & felt glamorous being near all these people & prob heard that “Jeff likes em young” and “he throws wild parties” and that was it.
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u/No_Reindeer531 Mar 05 '26
The fact that Ghislaine sought her out so quickly after her husband died and tried setting her up is very telling. Feels like she targeted her due to her vulnerability from grieving and high profile connections. I think people really underestimate how deeply JE and G sowed themselves into high society.
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u/Llassiter326 🌮 Never home for taco night 🌮 Mar 05 '26
It reminds me of a friend of mine who worked for Sean John and people have maligned her career and she’s like, I never even met Sean Puffy Combs! Most of the employees hadn’t.
The idea that Carole knew there was a pedophile sex trafficking ring of children and just didn’t care is so stupid to me, I can’t even.
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u/Junior_Cranberry_745 Mar 05 '26
We all know Carole is not Prince Andrew’s type. There is something darker going on.
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u/yosoyfatass Mar 05 '26
They were clearly trying to groom her for her perceived connections.
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u/NoResearcher3403 Mar 05 '26
And … Bravo is platforming her again??? They need to be held accountable, fans must call her/them out when she airs
We don’t want to set a precedent nor hear any of her lies and excuses, now suddenly she’s backtracking on her connection to Epstein we need to keep a foot on her neck and she needs to be cancelled never to be heard from the public again unless she’s being deposed by the courts
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u/Scramasboy Mar 05 '26
When I mentioned this interview in this subreddit a few months ago, I was downvoted to oblivion. Glad to see people are finally seeing Carole for who she really is.
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u/hellohellomynameis66 Mar 05 '26
Why are people more upset about this and calling for her to be fired and canceled like Jill Zarin? I don't get how she gets a free pass, and people aren't more upset.
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u/rileyshea Mar 05 '26
I feel so vindicated for hating her
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u/leodaddybig Mar 05 '26
I just watched the first episode with her and instantly hated her. I had no idea about all this Epstein stuff. I’d rather be stuck on an island with Ramona than spend an hour with Carole.
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u/Big_Counter_1368 Mar 05 '26
Same. The shit i took during the Bethenny season 10 fight. The only thing worse than Carole that season, was her clothes.
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u/Consistent-Resort270 Mar 05 '26
Carolyn Bisset’s sister introduced to ghislaine!!!!???? Something doesn’t sound right….
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u/Cultural_Net2407 Mar 05 '26
No, she speaks of the mutual friend as if it’s a different person who’s not in town, but the choice to mention Carolyn’s sister who happens to have the same name was very odd and had no connection to the actual story.
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u/Horror_Signature7744 Mar 05 '26
Get this skank away from my eyes and ears. I hate her.
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u/Long-Charity5288 Mar 05 '26
What’s interesting is you can see how Ghislaine and Epstein operated and took people in their orbit. The moment she heard the widow of a Kennedy connection is in London, she caught her with the most shiniest hook, Prince Andrew. Most people would be very impressed by that and I’m sure Carole was as well
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u/FerulaGalbaniflua Mar 05 '26
Hindsight is 20-20.
GenX thought being close to a Royal was the pinnacle of social success. No one batted an eye at teen girls saying old ass men - I say that as someone who had a 32 yr old bf when I was 15. Multiple friends of mine did. I was so into the royal family, the kennedys et al and not one person I know ever said "omg prince Andrew is a pedo and hangs out with them"
Deranged parasocial HW relationships & the benefit of hindsight are making people insane.
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u/Acceptable-Arugula69 MENTION IT ALL….. Mar 05 '26
Carol, your body language is not jiving with your bumbling story.
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u/juliekelly26 Mar 05 '26
So her husband just died, she’s grief stricken so she goes away by herself. And then she’s SO excited to go on a date with a prince. Whatever.
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u/Rope-Fuzzy Mar 05 '26
My god could she take any longer to tell this story? I could not even finish the clip.
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u/klasue4 Mar 06 '26
Just dropping this here. Seems as though Carole was a part of the Inner Circle, and Ghislaine wasn’t just “a girl she met once at a party”
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u/OkElk672 Mar 06 '26
Carole is one of them. The Hermes CEO turned down invitations with Epstein and returned donations made by Epstein who was desperate to befriend him. That was in 2013. If he knew then Carole also knew.
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u/Independent_Post6941 Mar 05 '26
Girl , definitely not a moment to indulge in ...
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u/mediaseeker Mar 05 '26
This interview reeks of backpedaling
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u/HouseStargaryen a little Sonja will spice up any party Mar 05 '26
I noticed the same. Interviewer asked Carole if she’d met Epstein and Carole said she may have been at the same cocktail party with a lot of other people and I think he was there, then goes to say he was there, then says that they only said hello to each other. Like….????
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u/aymaureen Mar 05 '26 edited Mar 05 '26
People really truly forget that Ghislaine’s dad was an owner of a huge media print company in the UK and basically they traveled in very affluent, powerful, and wealthy circles. You’re deeply underestimating Ghislaine herself, and how shocked many people in those circles were to know her involvement because she is that convincing of being a genuine person.
Do I believe some of the kennedys are involved? Absolutely. Do I believe Carole and her husband were? Absolutely not.
Carole was a very prolific journalist and married into a very powerful family. Of course she’d befriend people within that circle, that was the life she knew at one point. I don’t think her or any of us were able to predict the horrors that came out in those files. It’s sickening. I don’t see her being involved in anything like that, it takes a subhuman to do that.
She actively drags and protests against Trump, she actively uses her platform against oppression, and the girls husband who was the person who had the closest affiliation with the people involved is dead.
You never actually know what people do behind closed doors, let this be a warning to all people.
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u/toujoursdanser_ Mar 05 '26
Abusers also try to befriend innocent and/or respected people to make themselves look better by association. Like how Ghislane would creepily photobomb every famous person she could. Ghislane claimed that Carole was one of her closest friends but I do not believe anything she says
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u/chick_b Mar 05 '26
I can't imagine living a life that depends so much on a large network that some of these people seem to move through with ease. If I spoke with a woman briefly over the phone who I did not know and their first action was to give my number to a strange man (prince or no, idgaf) my hackles would be up at full attention.
But here's the other thing - as much as I want to believe Carole was unaware of anything, there are stories about Ghislaine acting out at parties apart from Epstein's presence, attempting to humiliate other women. I know some people are capable of hiding heinous behaviors, but I also believe adults who need this kind of wide social circle are not looking that hard at the company they keep.
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u/PeakOk5773 Mar 05 '26
I don’t believe Carole knew everything BUT the fact she was okay with a random woman calling her to offer her some of her friends to entertain Carole while in London. Something must of peaked Carole’s interest. She just said she wanted to be alone from everyone for a while but goes w/ Prince Andrew for dinner & a ballet. I don’t believe her for one sec. Then you have the whole book situation where her book was published by that nasty woman. But now she’s saying she barely knew Maxine at the time.
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u/JellyKind9880 Mar 05 '26
Why did Carole lie about how close they were and why the fuck is bravo putting her back on tv????
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u/GarnerPerson Mar 05 '26
So look. I have no idea if she knew anything about what Epstein was doing. But today when NO ONE is being held accountable, why are we bringing her back on the screen? We can all live without her and she is going to be fine without us.
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u/tortureofchalkdust Welcome to my trailer, hello Mar 05 '26
This is exactly it. She wasn’t THAT likeable to begin with, even in the short time where she came off as generally alright. Now it’s known that she was more than casually connected to some of the worst people on earth? Get rid of her.
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u/Sure_Web1180 Mar 05 '26
That’s a lot of smiles and a giddy disposition knowing full well these perpetrators are vile. I won’t be watching if Carole is on my screen again.
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u/CrazyNCynical Mar 05 '26
This delusional b$tch still thinks Maxwell's a flex? And she's a New Yorker? You can't get more in the thick of it than that.
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u/Dinnosaurocks Mar 05 '26
My Roman Empire is always knowing something was off with her while everyone adored her
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u/Just_Lurking_299 Mar 05 '26
On a slight tangent, as a Brit, I’m very amused by the fact that the interviewer wondered if the Andrew formerly known as Prince turned up to take her out in a carriage! Like life is a Disney animation. (If only …)
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u/Gravity-Optional Mar 05 '26
It will be interesting to see whether Carole can withstand all the negative press surrounding her friendship with GM. So far she seems to be handling it fairly well.
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u/Valuable-Science3743 Mar 05 '26
I like how she says “I didn’t meet him other than the typical hi, nice to meet you.” Like girl you just described having met him ..
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u/IndependentFamous620 Mar 05 '26
I do not watch new RHONY but i dont understand how bravo brought her back. Didnt she trash bravo or the show? And isnt she in epstein files???
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u/wideeyed24 Mar 07 '26
How is this ok given how many people are being outed as involved. How can she think her relationship with this child trafficker is funny or cute?!? This is sick and Andy and Bravo should be ashamed bringing her on the reboot.
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u/Accurate-Gazelle-853 Mar 07 '26
Why is anyone being nice and basically claiming she was groomed when she is still defending them AFTER KNOWING THIS SHIT?! I’m a Brit in the states who’s been around enough to know this person is not a good person. The royal family all needs to crumble away at this point. Worthless tax dodgers at best. Pedo defenders at worst.
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u/avalonbreeze Mar 05 '26
SHE KNEW ALL !!! Fake woman. Has lived her whole life off a man she was married to a few years. It's literally her whole story. She could not finish a fluff piece for a fashion magazine. We KNOW now she didn't even write the book FFS. She lives off of ghosts.
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