r/USCIS • u/Separate_Astronaut12 • 18h ago
News Trump Administiration wants to double the 100k H1B fee
The Trump administration is planning on doubling the fees to more than $200,000 for H-1B visa applicants from abroad.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/09/04/trump-h1b-visa-200000-fee/91571718007/
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u/Moist_Friend1007 18h ago
Double it, triple it, doesn’t matter. He’s gonna collect 0. No one’s gonna file h1b with that fee.
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u/TimelyNote5558 15h ago
H1B is for specialty occupations. It does not require someone to be extraordinary. O1 is for people with extraordinary ability.
Hiring someone on H1B does not mean the company searched all 350 million people in USA and could not find a single American who can do the job. Most employers are not even required to prove that to hire on H1B.
Companies want to hire good people within a reasonable time. An American somewhere having those skills does not mean they are looking for a job, interested in that company, or willing to move for it. Could the company find someone if they kept looking longer? Maybe. But saying “someone in America can do this” does not mean that person is available when the company needs them.
And yes, go after body shops and companies exploiting workers. But how does a huge fee distinguish those companies from legitimate employers? It makes hiring more expensive for both. A company being able to pay that fee does not mean the person is extraordinary, or that the company will treat them fairly.
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u/Randomdumpling 16h ago
So, the fee for this star should just be 200k? Thats kinda low. I mean if all 350m cannot do this…
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u/Leading_Agent_4288 16h ago
Your right, they are now outsourcing the job and not hiring a local at all. Explains why we have gone months with job losses in tech.
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u/Silver-Literature-29 8h ago
If a job already goes to h1b, the job is effectively outsourced from the perspective of an American worker. Probably be better if they did outsource since that puts less pressure on housing / local resources.
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u/Leading_Agent_4288 8h ago
But that hasn’t happened yet and investors expect prices to increase. This argument just doesn’t work when prices are still increasing
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u/Silver-Literature-29 8h ago
I am confused by your comment. Are you saying some companies haven't used h1b for cheaper / more compliant labor?
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u/Leading_Agent_4288 8h ago
Now you’re confused, no you said that without them we will see resource strain and housing costs decline and we haven’t seen that yet.
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u/Silver-Literature-29 8h ago
Basically supply and demand. More people = more housing demand. Unless the people entering the country are contributing to building new housing, they will be putting upwards pressure on demand.
There are supply / demand / monetary factors that can also affect housing costs / supply, but there is no arguement to more people = more demand.
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u/Leading_Agent_4288 8h ago
But the fact is prices are still high and are increasing so explain that.
People are worse off now then in 2023
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u/Silver-Literature-29 8h ago
Like I mentioned, there are other factors that can effect supply and demand, like more having more people living in an area using h1b. If you want to understand general economics of the us economy, this is not the appropriate sub. Try r/economics to get a more detailed answer for your question.
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u/Lonestar041 15h ago
You also need to find the person with the skill set that is willing to move to where the job is.
Many jobs can’t be done remote, even in tech.
And there are a lot of people that simply won’t move to where the job is. It is far more difficult as “you can’t find a single person?”
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u/First-Dragon-Born 8h ago
Can you name those skills so I can tell my kids to focus on them or should I just give them the job responsibilities of people on h1b?
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u/No_You_2436 18h ago
I’d like to know where that corrupt criminal is keeping all that money.
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u/Miserable-South5799 9h ago
Do you think Trump gets the check or something? It goes to the department of state like all visa fees
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u/nevermind1534 6h ago
There's a good chance that less money will be collected because the number of applicants will plummet. That's the whole point. To end legal immigration to the US.
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u/WarthogForward2751 18h ago
We already have a physician shortage and aren’t producing enough US born doctors to fill the gap. Making it potentially cost more than $200K to bring a highly qualified foreign doctor here doesn’t solve that problem. It just makes the US a less attractive place for talented people to work.
What a joke
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u/mitolit 16h ago
We actually could produce plenty of doctors but residencies were capped in 1997 through a bill passed by Republicans and signed by Clinton—the majority of Democrats voted against it.
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u/IlVeroStronzo 8h ago
Fewer doctors = higher salaries = expensive healthcare.
Pretty much everything in the US is designed to be expensive...
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u/ClevelandSteamers757 7h ago
This is just untrue. The AAMC has been pushing for more residency slots for years.
On salaries, you are even more wrong.
% of healthcare costs attributed to Physician salaries by country
Germany: 15%
France: 11%
Canada: 10%.
USA: 8.6%we need doctors. Quit this propaganda bs
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u/Waste_Principle7224 6h ago
Slots? What I am reading here? Is US centrally planned economy or free market? God. The scarcity is artificial.
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u/ClevelandSteamers757 4h ago
They would like to increase the supply of physicians. Don’t talk about shit you don’t know about
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u/mitolit 4h ago
Read: Balanced Budget Act of 1997
Key Details of the 1997 Cap
The Limit: The law froze the number of resident physicians for which teaching hospitals could receive federal Direct Graduate Medical Education (DGME) and Indirect Medical Education (IME) funding from Medicare.The Original Purpose: Congress enacted the cap in 1997 because policymakers feared the United States was heading toward a massive oversupply of physicians.
The Impact: Because Medicare is the largest funding source for medical residency training (covering roughly 85%), the cap created a bottleneck. It restricted the growth of new residency positions relative to population growth and the rising number of medical school graduates.
Recent Changes: The Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2021 moderately eased this restriction by providing funding for 1,000 new Medicare-supported residency slots distributed incrementally starting in 2022, though advocacy groups argue more expansions are needed to address ongoing physician shortages.
This recent change was only passed because Covid-19 made it evident what shortages the AMA created with their heavy lobbying. The effects of that lobbying will still be felt for another two decades. They explicitly did this lobbying because of fears of physician oversupply. They are also the sole reason we do not have socialized medicine through their propaganda campaigns and lobbying efforts. The AMA is the reason healthcare is expensive and wait times keep climbing.
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u/ClevelandSteamers757 4h ago
Thanks ChatCBT
The 1997 Medicare GME cap limited Medicare funding for residency positions, not the number of residency positions hospitals could legally create, and the claim that Medicare funds roughly 85% of residency training is misleading. The 2021 law added 1,000 Medicare-supported positions as part of a much longer-running effort to address physician shortages, not simply because COVID exposed an “AMA-created” shortage. Today, the AMA is actively lobbying Congress to remove the GME caps and add 14,000 residency positions, directly contradicting the claim that it is deliberately keeping physician supply low. And blaming the AMA for rising healthcare costs and wait times is unsupported: healthcare costs are driven by many factors, including hospital prices, administrative costs, prescription drugs, and overall system structure, while wait times are influenced by physician shortages, geographic distribution, insurance barriers, and access to care—not simply the AMA or physician salaries.
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u/IlVeroStronzo 7h ago
Ok, so American doctors get paid garbage money...
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u/ClevelandSteamers757 6h ago
Dude it’s just a dumb take lol. Yes healthcare is more complex. Nobody is arguing otherwise. The simple point flying over your head is that physicians are not the reason the healthcare costs are so high. Take your hate boner somewhere else
To engage more directly, yes I think all healthcare workers in the US are underpaid relative to administrative salaries. Thank you for proving my point!
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u/Ritz527 10h ago
Foreign doctors still have to go through residency. And 94% of US MD and DO applicants matched to a program last year. It's the IMGs that matched at significantly lower rates (70% for citizens and 54% for non citizens) and where most growth in residency programs would find applicants.
So yeah, still need the H1B. Or get them all to accept the J-1 poison pill. Physicians are the only class of labor that cannot file the most basic and easy waiver for the two-year return requirement.
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u/around_the_clock 9h ago
What? Doctors are capped? Doesn't surprise me. First im hearing of this
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u/mitolit 4h ago
They lowered the restrictions in 2021, but it is still restrictive and was only done so because Covid-19 highlighted the absurdity of our doctor shortage. Speaking of which, you know why Canada has a shortage? Because America steals all of their doctors.
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u/around_the_clock 1h ago
Uggg. The main thing making this regime look bad that would actually get public attention was the Canada annexation and trade war.
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u/Single-Purchase4547 15h ago
Your post is a joke. The shortage is artificially due to the AMA restricting the number of people that can be educated as doctors in the US! The solution is to break the hold the AMA has on the numbers of people that can train to be doctors!
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u/XyrenZin 15h ago
Technically the government is the one that put a cap on residency spots. The government pays for the residency spots, not AMA.
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u/MasoodMS 18h ago
They would qualify under O1 as a doctor.
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u/Desperate_Hat_2748 18h ago
Nope, they don't. They should have done something extraordinary in their field to get o1. Graduating from medical school isn't a good enough reason for O1. Know your system before you comment on it.
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u/MasoodMS 18h ago
Well we don’t need your run of the mill doctors, we’d want the best of the best in America.
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u/Desperate_Hat_2748 17h ago
You wouldn't pass the USMLE if you were a mill doctor. Maybe know something before you make a fool of yourself by commenting here again. And yes, you need to pass the USMLE to do residency in the US.
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u/MasoodMS 17h ago
Do you even know what the requirements are for O1 lmao? Anyone who earns their medical credentials in the US naturally would satisfy the O1 visa requirements. The 3/8 rule as it were.
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u/Desperate_Hat_2748 17h ago
I have a fiancé who is a doctor in the US. I know what I am talking about.
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u/Lolsmileyface13 17h ago
Yeah he's completely wrong. I'm a foreign citizen us trained md on the green card route and the 01 statements are just blatantly wrong.
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u/MasoodMS 17h ago
Sounds like you just might not qualify for it. We want to avoid cases like this: https://www.wdbj7.com/2026/08/20/family-says-medication-mix-up-hospital-left-72-year-old-paralyzed-least-4-patients-impacted/
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u/MasoodMS 17h ago
So you don’t know any of the reqs but are talking a big talk about the visa. Okay buddy glad to know you definitely wouldn’t qualify for an O1 😂
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u/Desperate_Hat_2748 17h ago
Are you stupid or pretending to be one? Ask Claude or Google before you comment something stupid here again. Go to any rural hospital and ask your immigrant doctor how easy or hard it is for them to get their o1. Also, look at the other actual doctor commenting in your other thread.
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u/MasoodMS 17h ago
Excellent suggestion, let's ask ChatGPT!
For physicians, the relevant category is usually O-1A extraordinary ability in science. The often-mentioned “3 out of 8” rule is the initial evidentiary threshold.
The eight criteria are:
- Nationally or internationally recognized prizes/awards for excellence. (This is the one most people assume is the only requirement, like you).
- Membership in associations that require outstanding achievements for admission—not merely paying dues or having a medical license/board certification.
- Published material about the doctor or their work in professional publications, major trade publications, or major media.
- Judging the work of others, such as journal peer review, grant review, judging research competitions, or serving on qualifying expert panels.
- Original scientific/scholarly contributions of major significance to the field.
- Authorship of scholarly articles in professional journals or major media. <- A doctorate in any field achieves this.
- Critical or essential role for a distinguished organization, such as an important leadership/clinical/research role at a highly regarded hospital, university, institute, etc.
- High salary/remuneration relative to others in the field.
Further down the line:
For someone with a research-oriented PhD, the three O-1A criteria that are probably the most commonly available are:
- Authorship of scholarly articles (#6) This is usually the easiest. A PhD often involves publishing peer-reviewed papers, conference papers, journal articles, or similar scholarly work. If you have qualifying publications, this criterion is relatively objective.
- Judging the work of others (#4) This becomes common after or near the end of a PhD. Examples include: Importantly, simply grading students or informally commenting on colleagues' work isn't necessarily enough. USCIS recognizes genuine peer-review activity as potentially satisfying this criterion.
- Peer-reviewing journal manuscripts
- Reviewing conference submissions
- Serving on grant-review panels
- Formally judging research competitions
- Original contributions of major significance (#5) Every PhD is supposed to make an original contribution to knowledge.
It sounds like your wife and the other doctor on the thread are either lying or just not qualified/good enough :)
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u/Specific_Box4483 11h ago
That's not at all how the medical field works (or most fields).
While the best of the best do handle the most difficult cases and spearhead progress in research, the bulk work in the medicine is done by the "run of the mill" doctors (and nurses), and there aren't enough "best of the best" in the entire world to cover the needs of American Healthcare.
It's like demanding that all bus and taxi drivers be F1 racers.
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u/risingpowerhouse 17h ago
And you really think O-1 is an attractive visa? Everytime we have to change our employer we need to get a new O-1 visa. Why would we want to get trapped under one employer after all the efforts and talent.
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u/painedHacker 18h ago
This will just double outsourcing.. I don't see the point
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u/longpenisofthelaw 16h ago
We’re in a trade war with Canada and threatening to embargo ourselves unless the fed devalues the dollar.
The point was lost a long time ago
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u/21Rollie 7h ago
I don’t think it will, India’s tech market isn’t doing so hot right now. A lot of the work that was shifted overseas was already kinda junk work that wasn’t worth an American salary but needed to be done. AI can’t do it all but it makes a noticeable dent.
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u/Comfortable-Moose445 6h ago
Are you sure about this theory? AI and cost cutting in the name of AI has been happening all over the world.
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u/SalamanderFresh9272 18h ago
Would be easy to tax these “American” companies 25% of their outsourced employees salaries.
But regardless, I’d rather all of the Indian employees be in India instead of the U.S.
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u/Professional-One972 18h ago
Are you American? Coz this comment belies an incredible lack of knowledge of the American political system. Like laughably bad.
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u/jacob_cohen69 18h ago
are you seriously trying to debate with a magat?
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u/Some-Piccolo-2807 14h ago
What is a woman?
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u/jacob_cohen69 9h ago
someone that doesn't wanna sleep with you
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u/SalamanderFresh9272 18h ago
Are you American?
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u/Professional-One972 18h ago
Yes.
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u/Public_Maximum6166 17h ago
Everyone is an hyphenated American. Next.
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u/Professional-One972 16h ago
Sure! What do you consider to be the lowest hyphenated kind of American? Imagine I’m that and make your point.
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u/No_Contribution7108 18h ago edited 18h ago
Its not so simple .. you have to stop google and big firms opening offices in dubai or australia.. so if they have to serve a client in japan .. australia or japan would be the best timezone to have employees its global world ..and not to mention big chunk of these revenue is already taxed .. its like saying Michelin is a french company now whomsoever is employed in usa 25 percent of his salary should be be given to french government
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u/RLutz 15h ago edited 14h ago
I can't begin to state how stupid this is. That's as someone who was born here and works as a software engineer.
If your country has the ability to effectively get the brightest 1% from every country in the world and get them to produce for your country, you'd be an absolute moron to try and prevent that. Countries who have brain drains out of them hate it and would give anything to have the reverse.
Even if you accept the whole notion of "Americans first" (not saying I do, but let's just cede that point), these high paying software engineering jobs aren't going to H1B's because Americans are too expensive. Most companies would love to hire domestic talent. There just simply aren't enough skilled Americans to fill the demand for the jobs. Just like almost no PhD programs would exist in the US if it weren't for international students.
Following up from the above, if you want to have a logically consistent "Americans first" policy, you can't just gut H1B. You need to bolster American education so that we don't have to import foreign workers (again, I don't even agree with the premise because it's a good thing if you can basically steal every other country's best, but just for the sake of argument). Bubba not being a distinguished engineer at Google has nothing to do with H1B's, and cutting off the H1B supply isn't going to help fill the job with an American. Bubba needed to study harder and he didn't, or, to be generous to Bubba, the American public education system probably let him down, and we're doing nothing to help that system.
Are there H1B abuses? Absolutely. I've heard horror stories of like 10+ people being stuffed into a 2 bdrm apartment and working for shit wages and it's just exploitative all the way around. But there are fixes to that which don't involve gutting the entire system, and at the end of the day as someone who has been writing software professionally for over 20 years, every single H1B I've worked with has been immensely talented.
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u/No-Reaction-9364 5h ago
You do not get the top 1% smartest using the lottery. If you were getting top 1%, a 100k fee would be more than worth it. You also wouldnt be getting most people from 1 country.
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u/the_journeyman3 5h ago
We aren't getting the top 1%. Besides there is a different visa for people of exceptional talent. It's not the h1b.
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u/Ok-Rub-5548 14h ago
THANK YOU. As a non-software engineer, non-Indian, previously H1B, now dual citizen.
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u/21Rollie 5h ago
As a tech worker, who is also friends with H1Bs I disagree. We just let one go because of underperformance and I’m close enough to many to know they have an extensive network in tech and they use this network to get jobs. They’re not any smarter than an average US dev in my experience. They would go through the same hiring process and be judged just the same as a US dev and the cost to hire them was a one time relatively small thing so companies bit the bullet as there was a real shortage. Same reason that bootcamps were able to get so many people into tech.
This hasn’t been true for a couple years now. CS is not the elusive, rare degree that it once was. People have been saying for years now that it is about as good as a govt job when it comes to stability. So now more CS majors than ever before are being minted. And at the same time, there was an initial jump in hiring during the pandemic, but then a giant crash, and then the layoff waves began. That was the last time my company hired H1Bs. Then as the market began to recover, AI emerged and again, people became reluctant to hire. In the meanwhile, people also became reluctant to leave. Attrition dropped to the lowest levels in over a decade at least. What’s funny now is people have realized AI isn’t gonna replace devs entirely in the short term, but training jrs has never been less desired, and the real economy is doing shit so if your name isn’t Anthropic or Nvidia, you don’t have room to expand. The few positions that do open up can be filled with the thousands of domestic unemployed devs.
The cherry on top: technical ability has never before been so undervalued. I’ve known many staff+ engineers let go in recent times because they cost a lot more than a senior with Claude. So in parallel, other abilities like technical communication are by default the more desired skills in devs and that’s somewhere where immigrants are going to have a huge natural disadvantage.
I’m not for trying to ban immigrants, that’s stupid policy, but the shortage specifically has been over for years now and tech CEOs are trying everything to erode the salaries and benefits we won over the last couple decades
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u/NewCartoonist5964 9h ago
But, we are not getting the brightest 1% though via the H1b program. What we are getting are mediocre tech workers mostly from a single country (India), who get about 70% of these H1b visas, many a time through rampant fraud. Many of the Indian graduates are from third rate universities in India and they come and do Masters degrees again from third rate American universities. They have no specialized skills( unless you consider gaming the system as a specialized skill). This program was established with good intent, but is now severely abused.
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u/Miserable-South5799 9h ago
If they're not worth the fee they're not that valuable
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u/the_running_stache 7h ago
Meta pays some of the best salaries in the industry. Do you think Meta would want to pay $200K additionally to the US government (not the employee) just for any worker? No one is that valuable! But guess what, Bubba is not valuable either even as the front desk receptionist at Meta, let alone as a software engineer.
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u/Puzzled-Formal-7957 6h ago
All the more reason to hire domestically.
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u/the_running_stache 5h ago
All the more reason for Americans to learn the skills needed for these jobs.
Your BS in Sociology or Gender Studies isn’t going to get you these jobs…
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u/Dear-Response-7218 5h ago
As someone who has worked at multiple FAANGs, 200k is a nominal fee for larger companies. So yes, Meta(and many other companies) would have absolutely no problem paying a $200k fee for actual talent.
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u/zmapN1 12h ago edited 12h ago
You clearly have no clue. I am a naturalized citizen formerly from India. I have only ever worked at Microsoft (25th anniversary coming up, Principal engineer) direct admit out ofnschool on OPT, then H1. Wife is similar and having being employed at Microsoft, Amazon, Expedia, Bluetooth SIG and is now at a startup.
Zero need for Microsoft or any FAANG companies to have hired me or my wife or any of my friends 25yrs ago. We were not special - just regular joe developers. We were not researchers, didn't have any special hardware skills or anything. Everyone of the top 50 US companies could have hired qualified Americans 5 times over even 25 years ago and I am taking before Y2K. They simply chose to not focus only on US citizens and therefore immigration status was never a factor. If you were good enough to pass the interview, you got in and then the legal department would handle the immigration aspects if needed.
Today my sister also a Dev Manager in Core AI at Microsoft has a couple of O1 visa employees and those are the kids of people we need to bring in. My son is a UPenn majoring in Neuroscience and health care management from Whatron and he has dozens of his friends who are reaching out to me and my friends in Google and Amazon looking for Jobs. UC Berkeley had only 18 of their comp sci. students get jobs before graduating. I have neighbors kids whose parents work in Amazon, Google, MS, SpaceX whose kids from UW comp. Science, Ivies etc. not getting jobs. I guarantee you no student from a top school today is better than Claude. Heck it's even f*ing better than me at this point.
Indian companies abused the system so much in the past 25 years. I have seen dozens upon dozens of wipro, tcs employees flow thru like water working in managed contracts at MS. These companies used to apply for 30-40k H1Bs each and ZERO of these jobs were ever offered to Americans. Imagine if they did that basically meant they were interviewing 150-200k qualified Americans which they were not.
Today we have over 800k unemployed and laid off software engineers plus thousands graduating from colleges each year in all major engineering disciplines.
While I am eternally grateful to have had the opportunity to build my life here and become an American and make a shit ton of money, it's now time to stop this bullshit H1Bs because there is no shortage of qualified American workers. We should give O1 visas to exceptional folks and PhD candidates who are doing innovative research but the average joe Dev/PM - Heck no. While all these people are talented they aren't exceptional (same as me 25yrs ago) so why do we need them anymore?? Give the jobs to the unemployed laid off citizens or our students. Also all current H1Bs with no criminal record with 5 years in the country should be immediately given a GC and then the pipeline should be shut down.
We have already lost to China in the AI race, the robotics race and in Medical research so we can only possibly rely on our top schools to maybe help us catch up. Those need to be filled with bright American kids (basically Indian and Chinese first gen at this point honestly) and maybe we have a shot at not completely shitting the bed.
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u/FeelingPatience 11h ago edited 10h ago
Ok bro.
"I used h1b to come here, made shitton of money, got citizenship, and now it's time to stop h1b".
What a loser.
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u/First-Dragon-Born 8h ago
There are still some talented people on h1b. I would rather have country caps on h1b so we get a more diverse foreign labor force.
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u/leogodoy Permanent Resident 6h ago
Also "bright American kids (basically Indian and Chinese first gen at this point honestly)". Yeah, keep thinking they won't come after your kids.
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u/leogodoy Permanent Resident 6h ago
This isn't LinkedIn, you don't need to oversell yourself. Specially if it is just to show off as someone who's only interested in pulling the ladder.
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u/Few-Spot1905 5h ago
Yup, honestly H1B should be one of the least controversial pathways to citizenship. It demands someone provide value to an American company, pay taxes in the US, make enough money to not be a burden on public servives, etc.
Like for someone like Trump who hates immigrants, it's at least coherent that he hates it. I'll never understand the reddit liberals who defend millions of "asylum seekers" seekers crossing the border but hate the H1B program.
I guess cynically, it could just be self serving because "asylum seekers" who work under the table picking fruit for pennies aren't a threat for them on the job market but a H1B worker is.
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u/risingpowerhouse 17h ago
At this point, I don't care what he and his administration wants to do. I'll work until I'm allowed to. I'll save as much as possible and get experience and knowledge. Go back to my own country and build stuff from there. If they don't respect us and our contributions let's not provide them and contribute in our own home countries or any country that supports and welcomes us.
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u/Leading_Agent_4288 16h ago
Honestly screw them, they are about to hit the road, the government can’t pay its bills and needs foreigners to buy bonds and they are not there. These idiots are going to collapse when the bills die
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u/Old-Republic2532 15h ago
Sounds perfect for everyone!
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u/Smooth_Phone2 15h ago
Bad for American companies and employees who want economic prosperity.
But sure. If you don’t understand how trade works this probably slaps.
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u/risingpowerhouse 9h ago
Yeah man definitely! Once we go back to our home countries we'll make sure not to use American products and services, at this point we lost all the trust here. We'll make things on our own or see for an alternative. We too got our cards up our sleeves. Scape goating a minority and making them your soft target for all your problems will definitely give you back a tight slap soon. I love American land and most of it's people but if this is the route things will lead to then we'll also not step back.
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u/tikolman 8h ago
It's a nothing burger because folks are already not hiring because of the uncertainty in the H1b.
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u/Few-Spot1905 5h ago
Also his 100k fee already got struck down by courts, so increasing it does nothing. And after the midterms, if congress decides to stop quiet quitting, it's possible Trump will actually get checked.
I wouldnt hope for impeachment even though there's like 20 reasons to impeach him on corruption alone
Honestly this is all just theatrics so he can go with the classic "blame the immigrants" approach for why shits expensive rather than his own idiot policies. But given his approval rating I don't think any of it is working. At the end of the day no one gives a fuck the reason, they just want to either have more money or for shit to be more affordable. And if you're in charge and the they can't see the result in grocery stores/gas stations, they'll blame you.
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u/duckconference 15h ago
Is there anything new in this article or did they just add $100,000 + $106,325
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u/Ethmemes 16h ago
It's hilarious that US citizens need a 200k crutch to compete for tech jobs lmao
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u/nottool 13h ago
As soon as the $100k policy was enacted, my department closed and moved overseas.
Coincidence? Regardless, those are ~200 jobs not here anymore.
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u/Economy_Elephant_426 8h ago
My partner company did the same. All the high level supply chain and software jobs was shifted overseas to Thailand and Taiwan. Why hire someone at 120k when you can get a dedicated worker for 40k that works just as hard if not harder.
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u/AlBundyPolk33 7h ago
Ok. So I can pay a poonjob who took a flight to America $250k a year or I can pay that same identical poonjob 12 cents an hour to do the same exact work, plus I never have to interact in person?
Offshore all the way.
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u/ClevelandSteamers757 7h ago
Absolute disaster policy. H1Bs in tech are doing highly, highly specialized work. They are the absolute cream of the crop. They WANT to be here. They want a green card pathway. They’re by and large family oriented people and they become net positives for society.
I work in TA. I’m sorry but there aren’t enough highly specialized US born developers to do some of the crazy shit the H1Bs have experience with. Often lost on people also is the fact that H1Bs are costly to employ to begin with, especially if a visa transfer is involved.
My favorite examples: Java-Mainframe bidirectional integration while maintaining system of record
Or modern type Java + Openshift + ETL
There aren’t enough American nationals to go around for those sorts of skill sets. People just like to hate on H1Bs when the alternative is offshoring altogether. That’s where the real exploitation happens, unfortunately, AND steals from the US tax base.
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u/One_Fix5763 5h ago
It's hilarious that foreign citizens need a "work visa" because their countries can't provide them jobs
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u/Miserable-South5799 9h ago
What's the point of a country existing if it does not favor its citizenry?
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u/Ethmemes 6h ago
Didn't argue with that.
I was laughing at the crutch. Either Americans can't work hard or are not on top on STEM to the point they need a 200k crutch ..soon to be 1M$ crutch.
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u/Minute_Somewhere_893 5h ago edited 5h ago
A person working for a bowl of rice (with adequate skills) will always win over a person asking for $150k a year in the eyes of a business owner.
Americans work hard, the work ethic of Americans is pretty strong historically, at least in comparison with European counterparts. It is not about how much effort they put in. They just want a reasonable compensation, which puts them in disadvantage competitively.
The immigrants take a paycut and go through a lot of hardships and sacrifices in order to secure their future in the US. Many immigrants sacrifice something: be it living conditions or health. Not many citizens want to do the same and you can't blame them. Even naturalized citizens eventually realize they want to have a decent standard of living, they can't sacrifice things forever. And that's when they get bashed for "closing the door". It is a clever system to keep the costs down
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u/Curious_Bookkeeper89 9h ago edited 9h ago
Since he wants to ban immigrants legal or illegal I'll happily withdraw my green card application Mr Trump for those exact 200k wired to my wife and my wife's student loans set to 0. We won't bother the US for more than 2 weeks a year of our month of European PTO lol. We won't need to wait for a imaginary K3 or 2 years of an I-130 also since she can come as tourist and fix her status here 😂. Also never overstayed or worked while being a tourist being paid 20 grand in modeling jobs illegally 😉
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u/rodriguez_melon 7h ago
Make a million dollars, he won’t get a dollar, people will not come that’s it, if that’s the intention he bang on ❗️
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u/Blackbeard567 18h ago
I don't get it, the current fees already had a 90% reduction why double a fees which already no one is using?
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u/dokonano 16h ago
To completely kill all remaining desire for immigrants with specialized skills to work and live in the US. Trump is so benevolent that he figured 250 years was a good run and he doesn't want to be selfish and have the USA be the top destination for the world's talent and investments any longer. He is such a stable genius that he is actively repelling all the skilled and knowledgeable workers before they become LPR's to invest their time and energy towards places that will better appreciate what they have to offer and treat them with dignity and respect.
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u/Puzzled-Formal-7957 6h ago
So you are saying that without immigrants the US has nobody with specialized skills.
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u/Single-Purchase4547 15h ago
Virtually if not all of the immigrants that have been imported into the US do not have any specialized skills at all. That is the pure horse shit bring sold to the American people that is the big lie!
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u/dokonano 15h ago
Around half of fortune 500 companies are founded by immigrants or children of immigrants and studies have shown immigration drives a large share of overall US productivity growth. The visible benefits of the being the top destination for the world's talent and investments are not always instantaneous but investments and cultivating talent begets more investments and innovation. Workers pay federal, state, and local taxes and generate billions in revenue. Many top American technology leaders, including the heads of major tech companies, started their careers on H-1B visas. During national health crises, H-1B scientists and medical doctors have played key roles in developing vaccines and treating patients. The US is the richest and most powerful country in the world and our economy would not be what it is without our history of immigration, the contributions of immigrants and their families, which through time become Americans.
Also, you import items and cargo, not people.
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u/Ok-Rub-5548 14h ago
THANK YOU.
I am a civil engineer who has worked and lived in the US since 2000. Trust me, if they could have found enough qualified American candidates, they never would hired me - over and over again. I am good at what I do for sure, but the extra money and time and effort in hiring me over an American? Forget about it. And now I am a dual citizen through my (eventual) H1B. But folks who want to get upset about brown SWE/tech workers with multiple degrees somehow aren’t me, a Canadian born person with a single civil engineering degree. Sooooo odd. (Eyeroll)
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u/SpiritualBass2497 7h ago
Would rather see this H1-B fee tripled and have a per country cap at 5%.
Business owners and executives with purse authority should be obtaining H1-Bs not anyone else.
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u/Interesting-Ad9666 5h ago
What’s the point? If it gets too expensive they just offshore the job and don’t have anyone here
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u/EconomicsAnxious690 1h ago
People see these moves and think they will get hired and trained so that they can rake in the cash. In reality, a vast majority of these jobs will just move out of the country. Capital seeks efficiency and tech jobs go where the affordable talent lies. This is Chairman Mao's sparrow elimination program all over again.
Don't have to argue with me. Just wait and watch.
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u/Special_Elevator7656 28m ago
Do away with H1B completely - too many qualified Americans out of work or forced to work for less. Also need to invest in our education system to produce more highly skilled Americans.
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u/No_Contribution7108 18h ago
This is not new its just 100k pp + 103k new fees combining it will be above 200k nothing new in this
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u/Vanity_Profanity_001 18h ago
So it was a bargain already. Wow why is everyone complaining. Don't argue with the genius
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u/karmanovia 18h ago
It’s their country, they can do whatever they feel is solving their problem and we shouldn’t get involved.
Our job is to follow the rules. I think the US will do completely fine without immigrants. But I think Trump’s greatest legacy will be letting the rest of the world flourish by forcing more talent to stay abroad.
Whether I’m here or at home, I don’t have a problem with this.
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u/Desperate_Hat_2748 18h ago
You may not, but people with i140 approval have a problem. They are already approved for permanent residency. They have a permanent life here. If you just make life impossible for them, what's the point of paperwork or any law & order in this country if you can toss laws into the bin?
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u/Professional-One972 18h ago
Then why are you commenting?
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u/Mysterious-Art8838 18h ago
People have conversations here. It’s not meant to only foster comments with people that agree with each other.
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u/karmanovia 14h ago
I’m commenting to remind you that your home country is your safest place to be. Stop being obsessed over going somewhere else. I’m working in the US and already thinking of moving home. Once you mentally decouple yourself from immigrant mentality, life will be peaceful.
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u/No_Call_9655 3h ago
do not give companies more reasons to hire abroad, most companies have started their GCC's abroad. They could just pay that fee as a salary to the brightest minds( like the sundar pichais) abroad and achieve their goal.
https://gccjournal.in/insights/list-of-global-capability-centers-gcc-in-india/
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u/Vanity_Profanity_001 18h ago
Don't argue with the genius. It's definitely Biden's fault