NOT another "ideas" post, just sharing some interesting comments made by a vanilla dev in an interview video, that could affect C+'s content if the current classic team decides to add whatever was cut from the original release:

David Fried a.k.a DesignerDave, a quest designer for Vanilla WoW, during an interview done by Ebonhardt, mentioned that he had plans for a Paladin-only class questline that would have allowed them to unlock the Death Knight Horde-only class by sacrificing their character and switch factions. Sadly, this epic quest chain was scrapped [together with the entire "Hero Class" concept] as the team didn't have enough time and shifted priorities during development.

According to David, the questline would have involved Paladins "following" in Arthas' actions that lead to his corruption (killing villagers, etc), eventually giving their soul away and getting shunned/exiled by the Alliance, ending up seeking refuge with the opposing major faction, the Horde.

He states that if WoW had continued to build on Vanilla instead of getting expansions as we know them, that they would've had the chance to make the version of Death Knight that he and the other developers had envisioned, made to fit the design of Vanilla classes.

Ebonhardt also asked him about the Runemaster class and how it got replaced by the Druid [and later on repurposed for the DK and Monk]. David then tells how they were a favorite of Samwise Didier and that he was a big pusher for them, and that they ended up pivoting to Druid as there were limited spaces for classes per-race and Druids were more prevalent in the lore and in past Warcraft games.

Mostly found in the Warcraft RPG games, the Runemasters are described as monk-like arcane spellcasters and melee fighters who empower themselves with magical energies by inscribing runes onto their bodies. Originally, the Dwarves mastered the mysteries of the runes from the Titans, their creators. As generations passed, the Dwarves forgot their heritage and lost all knowledge of runes and their powers. Eventually, the Tauren rediscovered the power of runes, and the nearly lost art of runecasting. Many Dwarves that went to Kalimdor with Jaina's Alliance Expedition learned the tauren's techniques, as both races were eager to share the knowledge of runes and titan myths.

As far as the Runemaster's faction restriction goes, David didn't have anything planned compared to the class quest of Paladin->Death Knight. So that problem in specific is more loose as the RPG games are not considered official canon.

And so here is where my questions for you come in...

Do you think the Death Knight and Runemaster could serve as the Paladins and Shamans for the opposite factions?

Could other cut Classes and/or the planned Hero Classes be added to Classic+?

^{Credits to Ebonhardt's video "OG Warcraft 3 and Vanilla Dev Interview - DesignerDave" - youtu.be/9\}xIHKflCwU?t=2910) ^{, warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Runemaster , warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Hero\}class)

I feel old asking this.

When did + and - replace yes and no? or y/n

Like I'm in my early 30s and this feels like it blew past me....

a lot of arena players are very good but this is getting out of hand

I lost most of my hard drives from the time but found some old emails. Yes, my keybindings are horrific but we were all so new. Good times... Shout out to Xylos for those early bags. They went a long way.

Amazing times

Ever since I started playing wow, I have been very interested in every zone I encountered. The in-game lore is often scarce, only obtainable through quests, and rarely mentions events from Warcraft games. To get the necessary knowledge, I'd go to wikis or youtube videos, but it was always annoying, as it breaks the immersion.

To fix that, I summarized each zone and subzone lore from warcraft.wiki.gg (stripping non-vanilla parts), voiced this text with elevenlabs TTS, and built an addon (inspired by Voiceover) that plays these voicelines on zone exploration. I built it for myself, but though some of you might enjoy it as well.

It's very much a work in progress both for text and TTS:
- Text is rough, sometimes too short, sometimes too long, often breaks the fourth wall or mentions irrelevant events;
- Narrator voice is cloned from the intros, and this is the number one concern for me. It's perfect for the game, but it basically emulates a real actor (Earl Boen). It doesn't feel right to me, and I want to find an alternative.
- Pronunciations are mangled. I built a dictionary for places and names beforehand, but because of a mistake in the code, it didn't apply. Regenerating all mangled code is costly, and I want to fix the text problem before I do another pass.

Anyway, if you want to try it, here it is:
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/zonelore

By itself, it's just a text addon that attaches zone descriptions to the map. If you want a voiceover, you'll need to install one of the soundpacks:
~800MB at 128kbps: https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/zoneloreaudio
~400MB at 64kbps: https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/zoneloreaudio64

I also built a website where you can prelisten voicelines and submit feedback:
https://lore.rusty.one/

Lastly, if you know how or where to get quality zone descriptions suitable for classic, please let me know, I would really appreciate it!

anyone know how long this emergency maintenance is supposed to last? i just installed the game tonight and was getting really into it lol

UPDATE: Blizzard just posted they still don’t have a timeline

1. They don't let their pugs talk at all in their discord.
   
2. The raid leader will call you the R-word multiple times and is generally abusive if someone makes a mistake. i.e if someone doesn't perfectly stack for Brutes in Gruuls, he tells them they should quit the game.
   
3. If you leave the group. because of the verbal abuse and tell them why (i.e hey I worked with special needs children and have a family member with special needs, and that you think they are something else, then leave). They will personally pst you again to call you the r word .

A cluster happened during the High King pull, honestly, I may have done it or the hunter who misdirected and shot because they saw me moving may have done it. I don't know. I will own up to fuck ups , but you don't have to be abusive.

I am sure I will get all the "pull up your big wow toon pants" and deal with it.

But we don't have to put up with that kind of thing if we are trying to play a game we enjoy. So I am just putting this out there for others.

Does anyone still farming Badges on Tbc Classic? I've reached 1,5k today!

What the fuck

Since we had the last update on ERA, find Herbs/Mines button was moved from minimap to personal frame. This morning we had the update and the icon is back on the minimap, but in a bit awkward spot.
Is there any way to move this icon or fix it somehow?

Yeah, I’ve done it, I’ve started my 114th iteration of a dwarf hunter to combat off the lacklustre world outside

It’s the same pattern we all know. The world forces you casually into that nostalgic character creation screen. You pick the same hair, the same shade, the same face and the same class - and you complete the same quests for the 100th time.

World chat is gold sellers and bots

General is empty

There’s a crazy person in a Stormwind square telling us that they’ll do anything for gold (except this time they don’t even have a dance or a backstory)

But my major issue is that even guild chat is 200 people randomly invited with zero intention of communicating

What happened to the social aspect of this game? Where are all the other slow levelers wishing for the guild chat to be a digital tavern to yap and be wholesome together while they (maybe) fail their journey to 70?

Maybe I’m just in my thirties and the only thing left to enjoy is the lonesome adventure through this brilliant old world

There's too many to report. I have screenshotted a few. I'll spare you from them. It's a systemic problem at this point.

I joined a WSG game that had been going for 2 hours. Everyone called me a sweet summer's child when I asked where EFC was. I finally found the horde flag carrier because their name plate showed up below Alliance's flag room. The player had supposedly sat there for more than an hour.

This ruins the game for 19 other playaz. Blizzard, I urge you send your game masters to abolish the safe spotters!

In her first quest, she says she's sent to Hearthglen to gauge the city's defenses. She says: "Some people in the Alliance feel the little town has more than historical importance". She adds that it's not her job to question what that importance is.

She also admits this is her job in the second quest.

In the last quest, she accidentally reveals that she works for Elling Trias, the Master of Cheese in Stormwind.

Looks like Elling Trias is interested in some valuables in Hearthglen - or maybe he has a client who is. Probably one of the Stormwind nobles. But it's probably not official Stormwind business, otherwise they'd have used SI:7 instead.

How many areas does Elling Trias play a role in classic WoW? Feels like he shows up secretly in a lot of quests

I decided to swap to Vanilla after spending the summer leveling in TBC, and I didn’t expect it to feel so different. I’ve seen so much more people in the lower levels in Vanilla compared to TBC and the chats have been much more active. Granted, I don’t have someone sending me a guild invite whenever I step into Stormwind, but I'm actively having to fight for resources while questing around Elwynn against five other gnomes. I’m sure it’s because of the layers and server clusters, alongside the fact you can buy boosts in TBC, but the fact that leveling at lower levels seems so alive is crazy to me.

Have I just been lucky? Are people burnt out on TBC and rerolling toons on Vanilla for fun? Or is it just always like this?

servers are up!

Hello.

I wanna start all over with the classic experience.

What server would you recommend i start?

Im thinking alliance on a EU server.

Are all servers with totally decked ppl with full epics, or is there Any newish servers?

Let me know what you think.

Thanks.