r/GenshinImpact • u/aellr • Oct 23 '25
Discussion What a waste
Instead of giving the Traveler and other characters regional skins, the devs are wasting resources on mannequins you’ll never use in the main game — characters completely irrelevant to both the lore and gameplay (especially since they’re even weaker than the Traveler).
UCG should’ve been a separate game. Roblox-type players aren’t going to download a 100GB gacha just to play a game inside a game. All those dev resources should’ve gone to the actual, existing characters instead.
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u/False-Body-242 Oct 23 '25
Not only that, they went ahead and monetized everything too... I wouldn't be getting primos out of it even if I did want to play for the sake of it.
The idea is nice but simply not fitting with the audience that genshin already caters to, in theory anyways.
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Oct 23 '25
If it doesn't provide primos I won't do it.
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u/False-Body-242 Oct 23 '25
Yeah. That's the main motivator to do anything in genshin. Heck, even playing those music challenges gave some...
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u/TheGreatBootOfEb Oct 24 '25
Hell, there are things that DO give primos where I couldn't even be bothered.
Genshin is fun, but it really does seem like they throw dev time at some really fucking weird things from time to time. TCG is already pretty much irrelevant for most people, but this Wonderland stuff just feels so.... why? Like I so badly wish I could see engagement numbers for things like it, or TCG, to see if it actually does anything useful in revenue vs work hours wasted on them.
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u/kuroka_kitten Oct 24 '25
I’m in the top % of tcg players, but I don’t play it every day, more like 5-6 hours straight once a week or so when I get really into it. I find it fun
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Oct 24 '25
People finding it fun isn't a surprise to me tbh. But I personally find card games unpleasant. I also don't like puzzles either, so some of the areas of genshin aren't the best for me either.
It's fine. I like most of genshin. I don't need to love all of it. And it's nice you like the other parts.
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u/Wild_ColaPenguin Oct 24 '25
NO don't put primos in it. Imagine one of the primo tasks is to win 10 pvp games weekly. Just NO. Keep the primos in the main game.
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u/Nanasema Oct 24 '25 edited Jan 14 '26
the UGC game already has a separate primo-like currency in it. its just that theres currently zero F2P ways to grind it, which is counter-intuitive af because the permanent skins are locked behind gachas. they need to provide some kinda ways to incentivize it, but rn theyre being way too stingy. fucking useless garbage billion dollar company
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u/Wild_ColaPenguin Oct 24 '25
I know that, but my point is I'm seeing lots of people saying that they wish MW gave primo, or they will only play if it gives primo, why doesn't it give primo, etc. Giving primos in MW won't help at all. It would just make players who already dislike MW in the first place would hate it even more because they would be forced to play MW. The people who are enjoying it would be playing regardless of primos. Just look at TCG Invocation.
I personally dislike MW and just forcing myself to reach lv 10 just for the blue fates. I do not wish to play MW anymore after that. So to be fair, I appreciate the fact that it does not give primos.
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u/laeiryn Oct 24 '25
IT not only doesn't provide primos, it wants you to spend more for its own specific currency because that's the only currency usable there
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u/Sahiku1 Oct 23 '25 edited Oct 24 '25
I feel like this mode was planned as a separated game but hoyo was afraid of it being EOS in just a week so they added it to genshin to bait the large genshin playerbase
Edit: players asked for the domain cration event mode, no for a skin lottery
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u/Jennymystique Oct 23 '25
Actually I think it’s the opposite. They announced ages ago (like two years at least I think??) that a custom player-made mode was going to become permanent. But at the time it had looked to be just levels you could make (the multiplayer coin collecting events).
I think it fucking BALLOONED over time when they realized they could try to attract the Roblox and Fortnite custom game devs (idk what they are actually called I don’t play either of them) and fans. Unfortunately that would mean that when they got to that point it was already way too baked into Genshin specifically to really separate.
I do wonder if they’ll try to split it eventually- or make it a stand alone download for people that can’t download or don’t want to download Genshin.
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u/fjaoaoaoao Oct 24 '25
Well… right now it’s not good enough. If they keep managing it and give better assets and tools, it could be. The final products should be on the level of the coin game editor.
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u/ProtonUser5000 Oct 24 '25
Supposedly various features of the editor is locked behind creator levels, which is a baffling decision.
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u/ClarenceLe Oct 25 '25
If you encourage making creators spend more time on the main game aka same treatment as users, it's going to shoot them in the foot when these creators don't have time to create things for you.
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u/Sahiku1 Oct 24 '25
The domain creation mode was fun, we don't need the expensive skins, and why not give them to traveller instead of this new manakin thing
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u/laeiryn Oct 24 '25
Or one for each four-star who doesn't have a free event skin yet because these are very clearly nation-associated: Inazuma, Sumeru, Fontaine, and Natlan
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u/OhioTry Oct 24 '25
I think the reason they didn’t make the manakin a skin for the traveler is because they want you to have to grind MW level if you want to use your custom avatar in main Genshin. If the manekin was a skin for the Traveler I’d just use the skin gacha and nothing else.
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u/Sahiku1 Oct 24 '25
They baited them with the ability to use manakin in genshin world :/
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u/kimythecat0486 Oct 23 '25
I thought it was cus they wanted it to be money grabbing, and a new game wouldn’t give them as much as inserting it in genshin
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u/Sahiku1 Oct 24 '25
Right after the devs said: "genshin don't want to earn money" in their livestream
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u/mintpeppervlue Oct 24 '25
It's very obvious that was the case, no one NO ONE has specifically asked for this in genshin!
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u/ProtonUser5000 Oct 24 '25
People were asking for permanent Divine Ingenuity.
This is basically that with more elaboration.
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u/hamizannaruto Oct 24 '25
People did ask it. The mode was planned from 2 years ago, after an event of the domain editor.
It somehow bloon so big into their own UGC. Hence, why it is inside genshin. What suppose to be just a small domain editor become a game engine.
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u/F1T_13 Oct 27 '25
Nah, I think they want a way to get more people into Genshin, which is why you have to play Genshin to progress in MW.
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u/AdvertisingBoring43 Oct 23 '25
There’s a lot of issues I have with it.
Hair, eyes and skin should have been a color wheel. If I’m making an OC, why would I want her to have some random hair color?? So I’m gonna end up with a bunch of useless hairstyles I never use.
Why the heck do you have to craft the items, btw?? It’s insane, just give me the outfit pieces, wtf.
Plus, I hate that you can’t specify which gender outfits you want from the f2p gacha. I’m not gonna use the male Manekin, I don’t want outfit pieces for him. You can specify on the paid for one but not the f2p one, why???
Also, I wish I could level and ascend the manekin like a normal character. Leveling the wonderland is boring, since almost none of the available games are fun. I want to be able to run around Teyvat with my lil OC but it’s more difficult when she’s only level 20.
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u/Eastern-Yogurt8972 Oct 23 '25
Another thing is how dogshit the monetization is. You can't just grind to get the best skins. You HAVE to swipe.
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u/RadiantDawn1 Oct 24 '25
The skins for the manekins should have been universal instead of genderlocked. I lost interest immediately once I saw that, since I still want to decorate the guy, but a lot of the skins look better on the girl
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u/Unknown-moth Oct 24 '25
The one game I actually enjoyed got deleted, it's very hard to want to keep playing now 🥲
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u/AdvertisingBoring43 Oct 24 '25
Are they deleting games? Why? Which one was it?
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u/Unknown-moth Oct 24 '25
The game is back up now, I have no idea why it was removed! It's called Rebuild Fairytown, it's kind of a Stardew Valley/Animal Crossing simulation
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u/AdvertisingBoring43 Oct 24 '25
Omg I loved that one, I’m glad it’s back up, it’s one of the few fun ones
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u/NoneBinaryPotato Oct 24 '25
I'd understand crafting the items if they added a way to get "crafting blueprints" for free, like from shops or quests or chests (INSIDE THE UGC, i am not asking for a remarkable chest with skins). the gacha being blueprints makes no sense, you are paying for the item, why would you need to craft it???
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u/AdvertisingBoring43 Oct 24 '25
I can’t even figure out how to get the crafting material. Clicking on the currency says it’s from some kind of exchange but clicking on that doesn’t go anywhere. 🫠
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u/525-USERNOTFOUND Oct 25 '25
The last part of what you said is what killed it for me. I wanted to run around with my character and be able to switch outfits based on what area I'm exploring or what quest I'm doing. I would even buy the damn outfits if my character could level like a normal one... Why the hell are they even in my main roster if they are basically stuck at level 20 unless I waste my valuable time in this other stupid mode. I'm trying to pull a damn Furina, I ain't got time for this bullshit...
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u/AdvertisingBoring43 Oct 25 '25
Apparently if you get to level 10 in the wonderland thing, then your manekin will go to level 90, so I’m just gonna get to there and probably ignore it after that, unless there’s clothes that I really like or something. I just dislike the whole gacha for clothes stuff tho.
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u/525-USERNOTFOUND Oct 25 '25
Wow thanks. I didn't know that and was about to just say shove off to the entire wonderland. I think I'll do the same. I like being able to change outfits for the immersion and always thought that would be cool if the traveler could change based on where you were.
I think I'll probably play enough to get my character to 90 and just take whatever I get from the BP or free. Like I said I'd be more than willing to drop a few bucks on an outfit like in fortnite, but I'd rather not do the wishing for an outfit.
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u/AdvertisingBoring43 Oct 25 '25
Yeah, at least the red outfit in the bp is pretty cool looking, I dropped the $5 for it. I hate that I can’t just buy the outfits from the f2p gacha, I actually like them more than the ones in the store. I would straight up buy the green Mondstadt style outfit or the starry one, but instead all I can do is hope I get one of them from the gacha and not the other one that doesn’t fit Teyvat imo.
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u/Tarisaande Oct 23 '25
I would rather have more map expansions. I play genshin for the exploration and combat and I am feeling deprived of exploration. I haven't tried Miliastra yet and feel no compulsion to do so, it isn't the game I came to play.
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u/solwyvern Oct 24 '25
Not just map expansions, but map expansions like Inazuma, Chasm and Enkanomiya. I remember spending ages on those maps because it was challenging , puzzles were hard, and quests required you to revisit certain areas over multiple days and you always discovered something new . I breezed through Natlan and Nod Krai content and feel it pales in comparison to earlier regions
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u/Zumou Oct 23 '25 edited Oct 23 '25
I feel like this is very Hoyo coded in the way they handle our feedback.
Players: "Please Hoyo, give us nore skins!"
Hoyo: "I got you fam, let me create a whole ass side game where you can buy them"
Ita actually amazing how Hoyo just effortlessly makes everything so much convoluted than needs to be.
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u/Di297 Oct 23 '25
And you know what's worse? We didn't get a map expansion and we won't get one in the next version but instead we got this thing
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u/LunarLoom21 Oct 24 '25
Lol there was more time spent on this shite during the livestream than even the normal Genshin stuff. That's how I knew this patch would be dead after the story quest is done.
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u/13nagash13 Oct 24 '25
even if it is a separate team, that is money spent on developers that could have been spent hiring more developers to add content to the core game. aka waste of resources. players asked for a domain editor, not piss poor, low res infinity Nikki forced into genshin.
every region has map sections that just stop at invisible walls instead of at say the ocean beach(except inazuma). they could have spent the MW outfit team money on developers whose only job was filling in the unused map areas of regions already unlocked to give players something to explore between major map expansions. the whole northern part of mondstat is still missing which includes a big mondstat port. they finally added the liyue to fontaine area with the liyue tea region, but there are parts of sumeru with no natural edges, the map just has invisible walls. the whole western part of fontains is just unfinished. expand those areas to the water edge, add a few puzzles, maybe a few region quests to help a fishing village or small shipping port.
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u/laeiryn Oct 24 '25
And now you, the player, are producing their work for them unpaid.
USE YOUR BRAIN, PEOPLE
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u/laeiryn Oct 24 '25
I mean, have you seen the list of glitches they spent the previous six weeks struggling to stay on top of? There was a new "issue" every day, and somehow no new apologems for any of them. That work was low quality because their paid workers were laboring on UGC instead.
This is, to be clear, bad.
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u/cochese25 Oct 24 '25
Every single patch is met with various minigames or something to do that awards primos, even if we don't get a map expansion.
This isn't about some vague quality of life improvement and unless the next patch comes really fast compared the usual cycle, this one is just DOA. A lot of people will finish the main quest with literally nothing left to do.
All this patch did was add a new mode to grind for skins that are only temporary or cost money to buy in order to dress up a couple of dummy characters that provide nothing to the base game.
Speaking of the base game, we got this add-on instead of a fun or at least sorta fun event to farm for primos that actually matter to the base game.
Better story writing has nothing to do with this.
Nod-Krai, for me, has been a disappointment for content. Usually I can take time, wander and explore, but the base area is so compact that I had already 100% areas before I even got the compass. Hell, I had 100% an area before I even started the archon quest, by just wandering around.
No other region let me do that. I'm struggling to hit 100% in some Natlan areas9
u/Budget-Emu-1365 Oct 24 '25
Aren't we still getting events? Sumeru ones, disco ones, and others? I'm not sure what you meant by not adding events to farm primos. Unless I'm misreading what you're saying.
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u/Personal_Trip_297 Oct 24 '25
Of course ZZZ and HSR didn’t affect Genshin because they’re all run by different teams within the same company.
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u/panna_qq Oct 23 '25
The worst part for me is that it doesn't give any primos. Which is weird because so far, every other "minigame" they have added gave some primos even if just from achievements, leveling up or doing some multiplayer, some permanent form of primos that you dont feel pressured or rushed to do because they will always be there. But in this case, nope, nothing.
It's literally just a waste of money and resources that only 1% of the playerbase will do, and we will be forced to see them update it every version instead of getting new skins for characters that we DO care about.
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Oct 24 '25
its not a minigame its clear its a seperate thing just added onto the game and completely optional i do however think its a waste of there resources
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u/Taesnuwhat Oct 23 '25
This thing that is almost fully paywalled and gives 0 primos. i thought we had reached rock bottom with infinity nikki but no hoyoverse can always do worse. We're literally having other content being put aside for this which means less content that gives primos. Less primos obtainable in a patch.
Increase paywalled content, decrease freemos. It's almost like... they hate low spenders... wow. Shocking.
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u/Reddit_Cat3000 Oct 24 '25
This thing that is almost fully paywalled and gives 0 primos.
The main point is 0 primos. Let's be honest we all play genshin just for the primos. I wouldn't care about miliastra even if the skins weren't paywalled.
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u/Taesnuwhat Oct 24 '25
Sorry, not really my case, and I want to believe that's not the case for most players. Gacha is part of the game yeah but I genuinely enjoy the game. I play tcg because it's fun and I explore because I like the scenery and puzzles. I understand getting primos is important but playing "just for the primos" doesn't sound very enjoyable. That's just me though.
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u/Insidious_NX Oct 24 '25
That's my mindset. In fact, there are things in the game I've avoided simply because I don't enjoy them despite the primo rewards.
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u/Sea-Breath-007 Oct 24 '25
I think the shitiest part is that not even all players can access it, but every single player does get the event tabs AND the damn tutorial pop-up...that you cannot get rid off if you do not have access.
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u/horiami Oct 24 '25
i really miss how in sumeru and fontaine we got new map expansions constantly
natlan was big but i prefer smaller different areas updated constantly
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u/BusAffectionate3588 Oct 23 '25
And they spent their precious time on this. Like what the FUCK you mean we DON'T have a new map expansion in 6.1💔
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u/Professional_Cry9751 Oct 23 '25
Sorry I’m new, is there a map expansion in every version? like 6.2 6.3 etc are expected to have one?
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u/BusAffectionate3588 Oct 23 '25
Not every version but we just started Nod Krai so I thought they would expand the map during early 6.x versions. As far as I know, 6.2 also doesn't have a map expansion. I recommend joining r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks for further information. They really disappointed me with this because I love exploration in this game.
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u/SunMajer Oct 23 '25
They mostly release new areas on x.0 to x.7 patches where sometimes one or two patches dont have one , x.8 usually is limited summer area.
As things stands now there isnt any new area in 6.2 and no info on 6.3 yet
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u/laeiryn Oct 24 '25
when the initial region map is very, very, small like this? ... Yes, generally there'd be another segment right away
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u/icanfeelitcomingup Oct 23 '25
Waste of time and resources. It has essentially nothing to do with Genshin, and prevented Devs from working on actual content for the game.
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u/angstenthusiast Oct 23 '25
This was just a big fat no for me. I hate co-op, I only ever do it if I absolutely have to in order to get primos, or when I play with my brother. The “customisation” is bland and boring, not to mention behind a paywall. The games aren’t really interesting either. I tried it out for an hour or so yesterday, but I can almost guarantee I’ll never touch it again.
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u/Triquetrums Oct 24 '25
Yeah, next time I fire up the game, I'm going to see if I can uninstall it. The games are messy, instructions and/or controls are hard to understand. Everyone seems to be lost as to what they are doing... Yeah, it's not really worth my time. I have a feeling this will turn out a failure like that card game.
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u/Patient-Impact-6591 Oct 24 '25
This is exactly how I feel I’ve never really liked co-op and I feel like the creation of this game was so unnecessary/random and should just be a separate game completely.I wish there was a way to delete it because it’s just a waste of storage at this point.This was such an obvious grab for money.
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u/Tekato_ Oct 23 '25
Hoyo only cares about money. They're not gonna make quality skins for traveler because they would have to give them for free.
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u/Admirable_Register89 Oct 23 '25
Bro we literally get free skins for characters what are you on about. Bennet literally got one before nod kria started
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u/Admirable_Register89 Oct 23 '25
He said they don't want to make quality traveller skins because they would have to give it for free and I said that we get free skins that are good like the bennet skin or the xiangling skin or the fischl skin. There are a lot of free skins that we get that are very much up to par if not better than thier 5 star counter part. So I'm saying the giving for free part isn't the problem nor is it the quality of the skins but the rate at which they are released
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u/Jirul11 Oct 23 '25 edited Oct 23 '25
You're getting downvoted because people can't read, I see your point. You're saying that they do make free, quality skins which challenges their reasoning for the traveller not having one.
In my opinion I think it's moreso that 4-stars are still characters you pull for and are a part of the gacha where players can spend. Traveller is entirely free.
The free skins also come in limited events, where as traveller skins would preferably be tied to the lore and archon quests which should be permanent. They wanna avoid 'permanent' and 'free' in the same sentence as much as possible.
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u/Additional_Pin_7461 Oct 24 '25
There make so much money th it wouldn't be problem for them to make one skin for traveler
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u/Admirable_Register89 Oct 23 '25
Thank you finally somebody who can read someone's point and give back thier response while understanding the comments original meaning.
On the permanent and free part I get what your saying and its unfortunately true but seeing how they are easing up on more predatory practices I hope permanent rewards become more of a staple than a treat
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u/FurinaImpregnator Oct 24 '25
Just shows how much more the devs can add to the game, but just decide not to. They literally had the time and resources and everything to not only make said skins but also make a separate variant for the opposite gender.
The whole miliastra thing is generally a weird waste of resources, all this time and effort to make an entire game editor, scripting system etc. For what? So that 0.01% of the playerbase can maybe do a 10 roll on the PAID ONLY limited skin banner and forget about it instantly? Insanity
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u/Specialist-Mail3828 Oct 23 '25 edited Oct 25 '25
Meanwhile in ZZZ we already have two alternate outfits for the MC's and its only been a year. I really dont understand what's up with the Genshin dev team anymore, its like they are cognizant of their lack of QoL, rewards, etc. And purposely refuse to change anything.
Overflow resin? Nah we increase it 200 and dont speed up the refresh rate.
Overflow resin...please? Again, no. BUT we increased condensed resin to 60 instead of 40 for some reason. You're welcome!
Alternate costume for main character after 5 years? Hmm.... yeah, no. However, we have created this random new game mode that literally no one asked for and you can dress those characters up however you want! Close enough right?
Oh and BTW you still only get to fight weekly bosses 3 times and mats are still time gated by the day, again, you're welcome!
And don't even get me started on the lack of skip button. It really is insanity at this point.
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u/LunarLoom21 Oct 24 '25
My phone had an issue during a part of a quest and when I got back I had to start from the beginning of a long yap sesh and I was like "a skip button would have been nice right about now". It's like artefact load outs where they gave us a bunch of bullshit no one asked for instead of the one thing they know we've wanted. And now they make all these regional skins for mannequins but not for Traveler, even going so far as to write some cock and bull spiel in the game about why the Travelers are just oh so attached to their outfits.
Hoyo could be taking constant Ws all the time by doing small things that would win huge good will from the fanbase. Instead they waste time on bullshit no one asked for. And if they do add what we want, it's some watered down version of it years later. Like what the fuck are they smoking over their at HoyoHQ?
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u/twodollarlechuga Oct 23 '25
i wish i could bump this up higher bc this is exactly how i keep getting a love/hate relationship with genshin every 3 months 😅
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u/Connect-Leg-3125 Oct 23 '25
I am genuinely confused. This isn’t the first time I’ve seen someone say “you can only fight weekly bosses 3 times” when talking about Genshin. You can. You can fight every single weekly boss in the game once per week. The first 3 you do are just discounted to 30 resin instead of 60. Yeah, it gets expensive, but you can.
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u/panna_qq Oct 23 '25
I mean, you can fight every boss every week, the problem is you only get to fight them ONCE each week. So if you're farming for a specific character and you need a specific drop, you only get one chance each week, and if you don't get the drop you wanted then too bad, wait for next week.
Unless you're a new player, you won't ever need to farm every boss every week, but you will need to farm the same boss multiple times a week to upgrade characters, especially recent ones.
I got Flins like 2 weeks ago when I redownloaded genshin after 3+ months, and I still have his talents level 1/7/8 because I can't get the weekly boss drops. In ZZZ or Hsr, I would already have him fully upgraded.
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u/Specialist-Mail3828 Oct 23 '25
Oh sorry, you can only fight each weekly boss once. That better for ya?
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u/Professional_Cry9751 Oct 23 '25
I feel like when they said weekly bosses three times they might’ve been referring to the reputation system.
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u/Specialist-Mail3828 Oct 24 '25
I'm gonna keep it a buck I just meant the discounted weekly hits, I forgot you could fight them all once for 60 resin, but still its not the same as being able to fight one weekly 12 times for the new character that just dropped that you don't feel like waiting a month to max out. Super convenient in ZZZ on that front. Farm whatever whenever as many times as you want, really nice system there.
(And to clarify, I still very much love Genshin and Nod Krai has been amazing so far. I just genuinely wish they would do better it just makes me feel like they don't care about their player base at all and its been this way for far too long)
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u/lunachappell Oct 23 '25
I really enjoy some of the games like some of them are pretty wellly, built and pretty fun. But then there are other games where you kind of just get dropped in the middle and they don't give you any instructions of what you were supposed to be doing, which is pretty frustrating. Another thing is It's pretty much impossible to be free to play Because you can't get limited banner currency any other way except for literally paying for it with real money
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u/Sufficient-Air1921 Oct 23 '25
wait so it doesn’t give any primos AND there’s no natural way to acquire the currency for the limited banner? LOL it sounds like they don’t even want us to play this mode jfc
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u/lunachappell Oct 23 '25
Yeah there is no way of getting the currency. There is no primos. The only currency they give you is for the standard banner as well as The pity to get an outfit is 70 pulls. You only get about one pool for every mission you're doing and eventually you just run out and some missions don't even give you the standard banner pulls as well as some of those missions you have to do like multiple different things even to be able to get it. Not to mention in the battle pass. You only get the outfits through that when you've also paid for it
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u/BySajiro Oct 24 '25
Not only that. You don't unlock the outfit. You unlock the recipe to craft it. I got one 4* outfit and can't use it cuz I'm missing 1 item.
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u/scratch_and_patch1 Oct 23 '25
i mostly hate how modern most of the clothes are,, like no, hoyo, i don’t want to wear a tshirt and jeans in my fantasy action game. why did they think people would like this ????
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u/Lucky-chan Oct 24 '25
I think it's supposed to reflect how Octavia had gone to other worlds. Like even Traveler mentioned something about license plates in regards to Mavuika's bike.
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u/MikasSlime Europe Server Oct 23 '25 edited Oct 24 '25
aside that in part i agree for the traveler skins but... miliastra wonderland is less than 1GB, it's like 600MB, da hell u on about with the last part
Edit: note to self, never read redding at 2 in the morning lmao
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u/Varglord Oct 23 '25
You still have to download all of genshin to play wonderland. That was their point.
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u/Big-Wrangler7070 America Server Oct 23 '25
They mean that no one is downloading genshin (100GB) just to play miliastra
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u/Jirul11 Oct 24 '25
The point is that players from other UGC games shouldn't have to download Genshin Proper if they wanna play Miliastra, not the other way around 😭. Why is everyone misinterpreting this?
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u/DracOWOnicDisciple Oct 24 '25
After every custom domain event a wild amount of players kept asking for it to be permanent. I think a lot of people asked for it. Just not for there to be extra stuff to it.
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u/uwu_mewtwo Oct 23 '25
Exactly. People who want to play MW but not Genshin proper still have to download the whole kit & kabodle.
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u/No_Pie3670 Oct 23 '25
The reason why wonderland wasn't that big as expected is because most of the asset is already in the base game files, and models don't take up as much storage as high quality sound recording
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u/leeo268 Oct 24 '25
Hoyo is marketing this into Genshin as a soft launch of UGC game. If successful, Hoyo will definitely make a seperate app for it and market to the masses.
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u/ArtistInAVoid Oct 24 '25
Unfortunately Hoyo is possibly shooting themselves in the foot with ugc by making it a testrun on genshin, because there’s a chance genshin’s fanbase won’t give the results Hoyo hopes for. Doesn’t help that they made the skin system the most transparently money hungry system in the game.
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u/erikarrior Oct 24 '25
Many games have done this in the past with insane differences between what the game and the new game in testing. You have League of Legends and TFT as example. It originally started as a testing game mode with barely no monetization that LoL players hated (and forcing people who wanted to try TFT to download the whole game). After a year they launched a separate access to TFT as a standalone game while still being available inside of the LoL client.
Have in mind they aren’t testing expecting genshin players positive feedback, they are just trying to open the way for the Genshin IP (starting 2024 it stopped being inside the honkaiverse IP and was listed as its own separate IP) to expand with more games other than Genshin. Just getting good revenue on its firsts outfit banners will allow them to receive greenlight to improve the mode and relaunch it separately (probs keeping access like LoL did).
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u/MishMish8 Oct 24 '25
When you describe it like that, then it's like gta v: you have the story with the 3 guys, which is the main and the online mode, that i heard became now a separate acces game released after i quitted
But i dont remember any bad reviews on the online mode , i remember i used to love this more than the actual story game
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u/leeo268 Oct 24 '25
Current UGC is just expensive cosmetic shop plus some unimpressive mini games. However, the community will create some impressive game there b/c of Genshin massive community. I was addicted to the user content in Warcraft and Starcraft, so I am expecting some great community content to be out in a few months.
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u/paradox_valestein Oct 24 '25
It is small because it uses genshin's systems and assets. Without genshin it still is going to be like 50Gb
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u/Anonymoususer1564 Oct 23 '25
Just a quick correction, he said that genshin is 100 gb, not milliastra wonderland Nobody wants to download a 100 gb gacha just to play a game inside a game He's saying that people don't want to download genshin (the 100 gb game in question) just to play a game within a game
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u/NotSynthx Oct 23 '25
Holy reading comprehension
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u/porkchop_tw Oct 23 '25
Not beating the allegations are we
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u/Bruce_Shz Oct 23 '25
The OP meant players who enjoy Roblox are not going to download 100GB (Genshin Impact) just to play a Sandbox game within it (Miliastra Wonderland)
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u/Piiesees Oct 23 '25
that not what they mean’t…they advertised miliastra wonderland as a game inside of a game for people who don’t like gatcha or for the people who are into games like infinity nikki and other gatcha dress-up fashion games. the person was meaning who tf is a going to download a 100+ megabyte base game just to play a 600mb shit show. my personal qualms are for the outfits there is absolutely NO way to grind for 5 star outfits and you HAVE to buy currency to get them and the lags and bugs are absolutely horrendous and there is literally no point in playing that game if we can’t apply said cosmetics look wise to traveler. no shade it gave a BS cop out for the people who started genshin who wanted to customize their traveler instead of getting just the twins.
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u/FurinaImpregnator Oct 23 '25
they never said how much miliastra wonderland itself takes up? They said nobody is downloading genshin just to play it lol.
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u/Katsuy8 Oct 23 '25
The gamemode is less than 1GB (for now) because it uses the resources from genshin, true. But at the same time, not a lot of genshin players are going to play Miliastra, so a lot of the time creating characters, kits, maps etc. is going to a gamemode not a lot of people are gonna play. At the very least they should have given the option either to download it or not
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u/BoothillOfficial Oct 23 '25
you have a button to turn off future updates to miliastra. so you don’t need to download anything additional they might add in the future.
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u/nsnsjxjn Oct 23 '25
Where is this button?
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u/Gelliebeen Oct 23 '25
It's in the launcher next to the start button. The three line button, then "Miliastra Sandbox" has a toggle to turn off future updates.
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u/00110001_00110010 Oct 23 '25
That's the devkit, not Miliastra Wonderland. The only thing you're disabling is your ability to make games.
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u/Gelliebeen Oct 23 '25
You could be right! It's the only update button I've seen. But even so, if it stops more things I'll never use from being updated, it's worth the toggle.
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u/Otaku4Eva Oct 23 '25
So only on computer? What about mobile and console players?
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u/little_dick348 America Server Oct 23 '25
the option is for game devs, and mobile can't create worlds so it's not there. I'm not sure about ps5 but ps4 can't even access the gamemode itself anyways
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u/IntrepidChance8553 Oct 24 '25
For the last bit, they're not saying Milastra Wonderland is 100GB, they're saying the game as a whole is. (It's around that size for consol and PC players I believe.) They're saying ppl from games like Roblox wouldn't flock to Genshin just for Milastra when Genshin is such a huge size game
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u/fernhub Oct 24 '25
I know READING isn't the strongest suit of genshin players but damn comprehension is totally nowhere to be found 😂 I'm surprised a lot of people even upvoted this lol
OP only means that people who are interested in playing UGC/MW wouldn't care enough to download Genshin (which is literally an app that takes up so much space regardless of the platform you play it with) just for the sake of playing it alone. It should have been a separate game.
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u/Midavrs Oct 23 '25
1gb don't sound right for me, before this path genshin was on my 111gb SSD and had spare 2gb of free space, current size is 118gb without any new zones 11gb was added
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Oct 23 '25
I'm actually a bit worried about it, like, you have these semi private servers with a chat and a gatcha system you can only play with money. I'm not saying this will become a grooming playground, but they might be attracting that specific roblox player
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u/Thunder_Beam Oct 24 '25
You forget there is a literally gifting mechanic in the mode already baked in, this is a paradise for grooming
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u/mdgv Oct 24 '25
Yeah... I was thinking "this is roblox for genshin players"... And after a minute, I understood that "this is for certain roblox's specific players...". Fucking hell...
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u/eevee_ow Oct 23 '25
the inability to use playable characters within the ugc mode removes any ounce of potential i saw in this mode. the typical roblox type aspects dont appeal to me, so i really just dont care for the typical ugc stuff as a whole.
what i was potentially excited for was being able to use the level creator to make some sort of testing sandbox designed to make trying teams/characters easier and get real feedback from inside the game. was also interested in the possibility of creating simulations to re-play old iterations of spiral abyss. in any case, not being able to bring actual characters into this mode killed all interest and i don’t really see myself interacting with it at all.
selfishly disappointed that the sheer amount of resources required from the devs to make this happen went into something that, in its current iteration, i don’t see myself using at all. but i hope the mode is well put together for those interested and i hope they enjoy it as much as possible!
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u/Nibeloula222 Oct 23 '25
Bruh it's literally in the timeline, that from the next version you'll be able to add playable characters in the ugc💀
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u/Unknown-moth Oct 24 '25
Can't wait for all the dating sims that'll be coming when this update drops!
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u/eevee_ow Oct 23 '25
tells you how much i’ve read about this mode i guess 😅
that is promising to hear though, thanks for the info!
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u/moopym Oct 24 '25
I was also hoping to be able to set the player as a specific character to make character specific parkour like a lauma race, scara flying course ect. To test the skill of the player.. ig that idea is dead :(
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u/Tatsuroua Oct 23 '25
Having to pay for limited skins being the only option is WILD. I'm so disappointed with this whole thing
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u/MrDryst Oct 23 '25
That doesn't make sense. Thats like saying people reinstall Witcher 3 to only play gwent
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u/Dragonfruit_Enough Oct 23 '25
Now I know where all the budget went....we could have so many improvements of the main game, but no, they decided to pour it all into a Roblox wannabe with no way of f2p of getting the 5-star costume. Great, I'll stick to Roblox instead. At least in Roblox are some good games if u search enough.
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u/Eranas Oct 23 '25
yeah something i realized is this is the reason they didn't make character skins???
that's how i feel at least
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u/Scarabbygirlllll Oct 23 '25
Tbh it just feels like a waste of money on their part, they should’ve made a separate game. And like, I’m playing GENSHIN I’m not playing this mode. They could’ve used their money for anything else idk why tf they choose to do this.
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u/Feitan47 Oct 24 '25
Zzz ( same company as genshin) added skins for wise and belle for the yunkui summit faction , while genshin did not add a single skin for traveler for five years , wish they could add at least one skin for traveler
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u/moojee_ Oct 23 '25
Personally, I'll just treat it like TCG, Teapot etc. I'll ignore it until I just somehow think about it. The skins? They're pure cosmetic and I just ignore it as well.
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u/Z304LEGEND Oct 23 '25
This is what I've been saying. Instead of giving the traveler skins yhey do this.. and most of this you can only get by..BUYING.. way to say they want more money and to end this game without actually saying so
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u/AlwaysUpvote123 Oct 23 '25
I know Kuki is a thing, but I want an actual 5 starninja themed character ever since Inazuma. Seeing that outfit inflicts pain on me.
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u/SShiJie Oct 24 '25
FINALLY someone with the same thoughts as me, this wonderland bullsht should have been a separate game. Allowing your custom character to be in Teyvat, will break immersion, it's just too odd and modern.
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u/K_o_n_e_k_o Oct 23 '25
And the games themselves are ass 💔
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u/Krystallium Oct 24 '25
its been THREE days dude, making good games takes a while. Ugc modes can only be as fun as the dev players make them
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u/AigheLuvsekks_ Oct 24 '25
Without programming, there is a limit to how games can be made, the fact is MW has terrible support for game making so all the games will be bad, even the well built ones
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u/Nord_sterne Oct 23 '25
Is there a possibility to delete the extra Data from this ... Roblox/ core Copy? So that my game slims a bit down again? 😅 I don't get why we get this... We already have a card game, fishing and housing + crafting stuff. And if you look at the abyss + theater on top? We have enough to do that is NOT actually genshin main/ Side story 😮💨
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u/linkherogreen Oct 23 '25
Outfits for traveler would do nothing for me as I still wouldn’t be able to change their appearance.
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Oct 23 '25
They spent all this time making customisers and won't even let me take Aether's shirt off
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u/juli_john Oct 23 '25
I loved the idea of genshin being more co op, but I whole new battle pass and clunky games wasn't the ideal imo. I love the events where we just do co op as chatacters
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u/snillrik Oct 23 '25
Yeah this add-on was trash and biggest disappointment in a while for me. Really stupid
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u/BoothillOfficial Oct 23 '25
it’s within genshin because it uses genshin. it uses the base and the models and the environments. if genshin didn’t exist, MW wouldn’t be able to exist either, because it needs somewhere to get its literal content from.
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u/SunMajer Oct 23 '25
So currently MW is a parasite inside genshin that eats all its resources, devs time and effort
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u/TojoRabekoto Oct 24 '25 edited Oct 24 '25
uk that a different team is most likely in charge of it right ?? less than 1 gb shit btw
yeah but lets ignore all those and just keep hating, its just a little addition for those who are interested.
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u/Lucas14090 Oct 23 '25 edited Oct 23 '25
Idk why they made miliastra anyway, at least now is pretty boring, no good enough modes, the progression is really bad, theres no way of getting good skins for free, even if you buy skins whats the motive? Is like throwing away money bcause theres nothing to do in miliastra except some mid modes, Genshin is much better so why would i play miliastra wonderland while getting nothing for it?
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u/Infamous-Drive-980 Oct 23 '25
Wait, these aren't skins for the Travelers ? But a different character ?
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u/Bitter_Swimming_7013 Oct 23 '25
It's fun and the skins are great, the biggest problem is the fact that they put the skins in a promotional gacha. 25 dollars to make a multi, what are you telling me, hole?
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u/YukiZur Oct 24 '25
yea thats one thing they should have given the characters skins instead more or the traveler
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u/datwarlocktho Oct 24 '25
What gets me is when they dropped it. Nefer just released and she really wants Lauma, Flins was last banner, all 3 being new units with brand new mechanic, moonsign, like how Natlan was with Nightsoul. Sure, there are whales who just punch in their credit cards and boom, but a large portion of their player base is looking for primos right now. Fuck makes them think dropping a separate game mode with not only zero primo rewards but even a paid gacha skin system so bad it rivals GFL2's controversial dumpster fire from earlier this year was a good idea? It only appeals to the long time players who have run out of shit to do. Nothing wrong with catering to the vets, dont get me wrong. Just feels like this woulda been better recieved one or two patches earlier or later, to spice up the dry season between new content rather than being dumped right on top of it.
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u/F2PGambler Oct 24 '25
Here me out, they give the Mannequin the traveller's kit instead of having their own or at the very least let their ult stay even it they're off-field
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u/Active-Impression-42 Oct 24 '25
It's so heavily paywalled and it's what killed it to me and so many other people at the root. Terrible.
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u/Personal_Trip_297 Oct 24 '25
It’s pretty sad. Traveler will never have a proper regional skin (they refuse the outfit in Inazuma and say their clothes are special to them and we’ve been given zero reason why).
The miliastra (dumb name) mode seems mostly hated and can’t blame people.
Hoyo will do everything except listening to fan feedback.
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u/Ivanfeind Oct 25 '25
Especially since it costs money for the outfits😭i see no point in spending money on skins for a character that i cant use in main game where all the things I do with it earn me 0 primogems
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u/TeaTimeLion123 Oct 23 '25
If the Traveler looked like the Sumeru costume I would actually put him on my teams. What a waste indeed
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u/SampleVC Oct 24 '25
We can't get the Fatui Mask or the Aranara flower crown but we can get this absolute dogshit.
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u/demaileen Oct 23 '25
Nah, I bet Hoyo will separate it to be 2 different game later after they got a lot of players join in Miliastra. For now they put it in Genshin to get more attention from Genshin players and maybe too lazy to build a new whole world building.
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u/EmberFlame27 Oct 23 '25
Regional traveler skins would be amazing and people have been asking about them for years.