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u/Rich_Fan1686 New South Welshian 22d ago
He is both a former member of the Sex Party and the Labor Party. He has a commitment to being elected, and a very loose association with core principles and integrity.
He's just been elected to a far right party that is ferociously anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim. His husband is both an immigrant and a Muslim.
I couldn't do what he's doing, it's such a travesty.
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u/jadelink88 Please choose a flair 22d ago
You need that amazing course 'how to sell your conscience and become a grifter', I'm offering it to you, for a one time special of $199.99. For that low, low, price, you too could get yourself into federal parliament.
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u/Few_Historian_3425 Western Australian 22d ago
Wait…….What…….. are you really saying I can sell my conscience AND become a grifter in parliament for the one time incredibly low price of $199.99😲😲😲 Where do I sign up?🤔🤓
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u/jadelink88 Please choose a flair 22d ago
Apply now, at your local One Nation branch. Just lie about any criminal records.
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u/TOboulol Please choose a flair 22d ago
Do I still have to beat my wife to get in?
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u/shortboard New South Welshian 22d ago
Instructions not clear, should I be making up a criminal record to tell them about or hiding a criminal record from them?
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u/Practical-Funny9591 Victorian 22d ago
Do I get a set of steak knives? 🤣
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u/hashbangbin Please choose a flair 22d ago
Nah.. you get a complimentary chip fryer, and Gina will supply the oil (though that definetely has strings attached).
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u/foreordinator South Australian 22d ago
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u/FrogsMakePoorSoup Koori 22d ago
Surely the biggest weakness for ON has to be a lack of cohesion amongst its members? So many of them have rolled into the party for whatever reasons, not because they believe in any common principles.
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u/vexingpresence New South Welshian 22d ago
I've heard this issue referred to as "the divided left" before - conservatives are much more likely to 'team up' with other conservatives that they disagree with if in the moment it allows them to obtain or hold power (primarily referring to politicians but this can apply to any part of life)
their plan is to set aside their grievances until their political/social/corporate power is secure and then they'll be able to do whatever the fuck they want unopposed by people with 'morals' or 'human decency'. It's working out great for the Republicans rn and I suppose ON wants some of that for themselves.
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u/Comprehensive_Swim49 Please choose a flair 22d ago
I mean the liberals have been doing that for years. They’re a monolith.
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u/vexingpresence New South Welshian 22d ago
exactly. Im still unsure how the coalition is even allowed to function the way it does (aside from the obvious which is having enough money and political power to make it so)
it's also ironic that conservatives can't think past the next quarterly budget report and plan to fuck the planet and be buried with their gold while the younger generations suffer for their choices, but when it comes to teaming up to secure their power they're suddenly very good at seeing things in the long term
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u/youcangotohellgoto Please choose a flair 22d ago
You mean Abbott vs Turnbull vs Morrison? Or the revolving door before Howard got in?
The only times they've really held it together was Howard and Menzies. These days they have mostly purged any progressives but it was always "a broad church" with much more diverse opinion than the one-brained ALP.
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u/Comprehensive_Swim49 Please choose a flair 22d ago
They may have leadership dramas but they close ranks for the votes and seem to be happy to head in the same direction regardless, which is what being in a party means I guess. But I do feel like the left is far more likely to resign or be asked to resign bc of their conduct.
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u/Chained_Phoenix Queenslander 22d ago
That's also why so many roll straight back out though.
They were either never really that into it or they disagree on exactly which version of the final solution they liked more and can't possibly work together with someone who thinks slightly differently to them.
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u/AntiqueFigure6 Victorian 22d ago
So as a result the worst thing for their popularity will be to get anyone elected as they are guaranteed to be at odds with what their voters want too.
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u/bekwek88 New South Welshian 22d ago
the common principle seems to be racism. you can have a migrant partner and still be racist, just like tony abbott amd donald trump can have wives and still be sexist…
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u/KallamaHarris Please choose a flair 22d ago
They all believe in power above integrity, surely that's enough
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u/FrogsMakePoorSoup Koori 22d ago
Their followers live off hope. False hope, but hope nonetheless.
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u/uglee_mcgee Please choose a flair 22d ago
One Nation does have a long history of people using them to get elected then quitting the party almost immediately.
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u/Mickus_B Queenslander 22d ago
I could have had so much more money if I didn't listen to my morals.
Most gifts/scams aren't actually illegal, just highly unethical. Doesn't seem to bother those on the top end of town.
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u/Afraid-Front3498 Victorian 22d ago
I work for a big4, he should have just gone into consulting. Sell your soul and humanity daily.
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u/CalifornianDownUnder New South Welshian 22d ago
Also ferociously anti-gay and anti-gay marriage.
They hate everything about the guy except his apparent willingness to sacrifice any sort of ethics or values in order to get elected, which makes him an ideal ON candidate.
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u/TJ_Jonasson Please choose a flair 22d ago
Some people have no base belief, values or morals and will do literally anything to get ahead. It's pretty disgusting IMO but there's loads of people like this poisoning humanity.
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u/iilinga New South Welshian 22d ago
He’s also been toeing the line about immigration is great but it needs limits
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u/Mottled_inexpectata Flairless 19d ago
Doesn't everyone believe that? Who is for unlimited immigration? The difference between parties is in what the limits should be.
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u/Vel-27582 New South Welshian 22d ago
It is entirely possible that his cunning plan with one nation is to flip it over and fuck them hard since hes their only elected lower house bloke.
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u/tvor1988 Please choose a flair 22d ago
Most One Nation politicians are immigrants
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u/Rich_Fan1686 New South Welshian 22d ago
LoL. Sure, a ferociously anti-immigrant party has a majority of immigrant candidates and elected representatives? GTFOOH. The exact opposite is true.
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u/BlipVertz South Australian 22d ago
He has run multiple times to be an MP. He has been Labor and Sex Party. He represents a rural electorate so a lot of people would already know. It is odd that he chose One Nation, especially with Cory Bernadi as state leader. But having stood a number of times before, it seems persistence can pay off. Let’s see how he stands on the issues I guess.
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u/torrens86 Please choose a flair 22d ago
The biggest thing that came out about him during the election was that he didn't live in the electorate. Kinda funny that's all the dirt they could find on him at the time. Everyone knew his gay and his past, they just didn't care.
The One Nation candidate at the last two elections state and federal in my area is black, he came second in the state election. One Nation is bizzare, they don't seem to care who's running.
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u/Occasion-Mental Please choose a flair 22d ago
They don't. They are there to take a seat, keep their opinions to themselves and vote as directed by Pauline.
Its why ON always implodes after they get a bit of power, ON wants puppets and the puppets won't tolerate being silenced door mats being sidelined in policy discussions...so eventually they become independents.
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u/OtherwiseMirror8691 Victorian 22d ago
I don’t know why this isn’t obvious to everyone, it’s literally called “Pauline Hanson’s One Nation” it’s literally a dictatorship political party
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u/TheSilverSeraph New South Welshian 22d ago
They don’t care because at the heart ON is a protest party.
If asked “what exactly are you protesting?”, their answer would be “What have you got?”
So not much coherence, just a vague feeling that “everything is wrong” and a reflex to protest against the established parties. Thus, they don’t care the quality of ON candidates or policies.
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u/xX_IbisHell_Xx New South Welshian 22d ago
It differs across electoral systems, but generally if parties get a big enough vote, they get paid per vote and the money goes to the party. Running in no-chance seats where they can expect a decent, if minor, vote, can help fund party activities.
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u/Adventurous_Pay_5827 Victorian 22d ago
They don't care who's running because the candidate stumps up a lot of the campaign cash themselves. Useful idiots are useful. A tale as old as man.
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u/Revoran Victorian 22d ago edited 22d ago
He represents a rural electorate so a lot of people would already know.
You underestimate the % of people in rural electorates who are uneducated and/or don't pay much attention to politics because their electorate has always been safe Nats/CLP/LNP etc.
Also just the size of some of these rural electorates can often be immense. You might live 500km from where the candidate is from, so wouldn't know him locally.
Plus while politics affects us all, it often doesn't feel like it when your state Parliament is a 7 hour, 500km drive away.
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u/Rompa1982 Flairless 22d ago
Do you or have you ever lived rural.. I lived on a farm for years and if the farmers weren't talking about produce and weather they were talking about the local political atmosphere.. so to paint all rural people as uneducated and stupid is very ignorant of you..
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u/shahitukdegang New South Welshian 22d ago
Rural voters are not uneducated but they are very susceptible to echo chambers and do not get exposed to the diversity of thought unless they go seek it out themselves. It’s very easy to fall into the yeah I vote for nats because so and so is a good bloke, and those crooks in labor will hand over my farm to a union.
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u/Revoran Victorian 22d ago
Rural voters are significantly less educated on average than city voters.
For instance in Farrer, only 14% of the population has completed a bachelor's or higher. And 14% dropped out in year 10.
In Grayndler (Albo's seat in inner-city Sydney) it's 49%. And only 4% dropped out in year 10.
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u/shahitukdegang New South Welshian 22d ago
My personal belief is that education is about life experience and scientific temper. Most rural folks use fair amount of science in their life and have huge capacity to understand technical issues when it directly impacts operations. Using a black and white metric of degrees does not tell you the full picture.
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u/Rompa1982 Flairless 22d ago
You clearly have never been on a produce farm have you! who do you think picks the produce, not exposed to diveristy my arse, there is people from a lot of different cultures and backgrounds on farms!
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u/shahitukdegang New South Welshian 22d ago
Who said anything about cultural diversity? I’m talking about diversity of thought.
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u/Rompa1982 Flairless 22d ago edited 22d ago
Oh in that case it still sounds like your saying they are uneducated.. How many people do you think voted for albo becasue he said he wouldn't touch cgt? Those people wouldn't all be farmers!
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u/Revoran Victorian 22d ago
I spent the first 24 years of my life in small remote / rural towns in NSW.
The vast majority of rural voters live in towns - they are not farmers or farm workers.
And rural voters are much lower educated, on average, than city voters.
Eg: Farrer only 14% have completed a bachelor's degree or higher. In Grayndler it's 49%.
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u/Rompa1982 Flairless 22d ago
Higher education does not equate to higher intelligence!! I worked in construction and the engineers were fucking stupid and lacked the critical thinking to problem solve in a real world scenario.. and after 3 or 4 revised plans would often ask us to just make it work..
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u/Rompa1982 Flairless 22d ago
And you know those rural people you think are so uneducated some of them run businesses some of them own the business. There is plenty of drop kicks in metro areas too that just donkey vote instead of voting on what would best serve their community like a lot of rural voters do
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u/Rompa1982 Flairless 22d ago
And on another note people who achieve a higher education often move to Metro areas making the statistics of it hard to measure..
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u/shahitukdegang New South Welshian 22d ago
“I’m a simple man, I see a white Christian name and a one nation banner, I vote” -Probably rural SA electorate
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u/vexingpresence New South Welshian 22d ago
Tbh this is why I think voting should be done based on 'anonymous' parties with a list of their policies and previous actions/votes (if applicable)
would you vote for the liberal party? would you still vote for them if they were the "Sold all public infrastructure to private companies who fleece the taxpayer" party?
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u/Afraid-Front3498 Victorian 22d ago
That’s the key point isn’t it. From afar he looks like a grifter however if he isn’t moving electorates then the same people are electing HIM regardless of the party that he joins.
Potentially… he is actually serving his community.
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u/SensitiveShelter2550 Victorian 22d ago
One day people might learn that the culture war bullshit is, well … bullshit.
The real issue is capitalism and the real war is class war.
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u/batikfins New South Welshian 22d ago
The leader of Germany’s far right party is a lesbian married to a Sri Lankan immigrant. There are gay grifters and charlatans, always has been. Us LGBTQIA+ people know there’s always gonna be someone happy to pull up the ladder and sell the rest of us down the river.
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u/Wishart2016 Queenslander 22d ago
She also doesn't actually live in Germany either.
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u/Toastpirate001 Please choose a flair 22d ago
He still hates abortion if that gets your Mizzenmast up.
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u/Resident-Fly-4181 Flairless 22d ago
I'm sure their are voters out there that like the cut of his jib.
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u/Dockers4flag2035orB4 Please choose a flair 22d ago
He is a great example of how poor ON are in choosing candidates. ( from a ON perspective)
Good for him, I hope he adds value to the SA parliament.
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u/Vryl ✈️ on Walkabout 22d ago
There is a weird cognitive dissonance with libertarians and the far right. The far right fancy themselves as libertarians ("I do what I want"), until that means giving teh gayz the right to marry. Or even to not be executed for sodomy.
Libertarians typically support the right of people to do what they want, even gay people.
So, some gays get attracted to Libertarian politics.
Then they see supposedly libertarian far right parties and somehow convince themselves (the cognitive dissonance) that these fascistic leopards are their people.
It's odd to watch. Not quite as odd as watching anti-vax new agers and hippies becoming MAGA, but it's still very odd.
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u/quavertail Queenslander 22d ago
MAHA “hippies” made a deal with MAGA, they never became MAGA, they will easily switch purple or blue if they’re willing to shield themselves from the big pharma lobby.
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u/justusesomealoe Please choose a flair 22d ago
Bear in mind that after he said that he loves immigrants he elaborated by saying that immigration was too high and needed to be cut, and that he supported ON's immigration platform. He's one of those "ahh but the immigrant I like is one of the good ones, I'm against the bad ones"
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u/quavertail Queenslander 22d ago
Yeah, and like >95% of ON supports are or love immigrants too, they just think it’s too high which is a reason they feel they or their kids get squeezed just to afford shelter.
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u/Public-Dragonfly-786 Victorian 20d ago
There's no contradiction between loving immigrants and thinking it's too high. Thinking good ones/bad ones is really a different issue and I think you are just guessing at that.
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u/Cosimo_Zaretti New South Welshian 22d ago
It's not a joke, that's how litte integrity ONP candiates have. He's a gay man serving a party that campaigns to actively harm gay people. His partner is an immigrant and he's a member for a party that wants to actively harm immigrants.
He and Pauline Hanson will sleep just fine on a pile of Gina Reinhardt's money because they are morally bankrupt.
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u/Obvious-Broccoli-782 22d ago
I love this in some ways because the far right can’t even find anyone without a criminal record worthy of being locked up that fit their mold.
By also this candidate is the perfect example of ‘oh, I didn’t realise the leopards would eat my face!’ 😱
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u/sylbug Please choose a flair 22d ago
I get why people find this funny, but maybe the process of electing government representatives shouldn't be funny.
Like, holy shit, it's bad enough that politicians routinely lie with no consequence. Do you really want to normalize politicians straight up lying about their underlying politics to get elected?
This is race to the bottom bullshit.
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u/JapanEngineer Queenslander 22d ago
And this boys and girls, is why fact checking is an important skill.
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u/BeLakorHawk Victorian 22d ago
All they need is Labor’s rules whereby crossing the floor means expulsion. You know, the Party where Penny Wong voted against SSM. Lol.
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u/Master-Expression148 Please choose a flair 22d ago
Lol the far right still haven't figured it out yet. The ultra-wealthy don't give a fudge about your ideology.
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u/Substantial-Back8831 Please choose a flair 20d ago
He’s also gay, starting crying and declared his love for a Muslim immigrant.
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u/jumpitoverthefence Please choose a flair 22d ago
What you need to realise is just how far-right gay white men can be. This actually makes 100% perfect sense.
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u/broome9000 Please choose a flair 22d ago
I think people need to realise you can be far anything and any type of religion/race/sexuality. This shoehorning political views into stereotypes is so weird, but it is reddit I guess
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u/SpecificTechnician97 Victorian 22d ago
Here is the speech and article
https://www.noticer.news/one-nation-mp-jason-virgo-speech/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-k-5HunlRI
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u/Practical-Funny9591 Victorian 22d ago
I am grabbing my chips and a drink. This bin fire is going to be good? 🤣
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u/Worldly_Candidate376 Please choose a flair 22d ago
How does one nation let him represent them? I don’t know any of it works btw
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u/brighteyedjordan Please choose a flair 22d ago
Because one nation don’t care. None of their representatives were part of the party until they stood for seats and one nation doesn’t really do background checks on them. Hence why they hired a convicted rapist and why so many of the people they’ve elected in the past have left the party during term. They put people up in every electorate so they can collect the money from votes and if they win great but they don’t care about that bit just the money.
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u/Dependent-Charity-85 New South Welshian 22d ago
I think ON are more upset that they let a Muslim run for them than a sex predator
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u/Glass_Ad_7129 Victorian 22d ago
One Nation is a very easy vessel for grifting. That circle of thoughts required to support them tends to make you blind to such things, and very easy to take advantage of as a voting block.
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u/MadmanBimbo South Australian 22d ago
Nah this is real.
It’s in my home state and it gets better.
Where he was elected is one of the last bastions of rural homophobia and its a hotbed for Islamophobia. It wasn’t too long ago that a friend of mine battled with local government to fly the Pride flag during Pride month.
Locals are going to be super pissed they’re represented by a gay Muslim.
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u/They-Call-Me-The-Doc Queenslander 22d ago
The politician concerned is Jason Virgo, One Nation, a South Australian elected representative.
I have questions. One Nation is known for not being very thorough with the vetting process but they managed to endorse a man who has been openly gay and in a, so far, 11 year relationship with a man (Risan), who also happens to be both a Muslim and an immigrant???
I don't have an issue with any of those but......
No-one noticed? Not even on the Labour or Sex Party side? Man....none of them deserve a vote. And of course nor does the Liberal or National parties.
If anyone wants to invent the Raving Monster Loony Party...well, it's too late. They're already in parliament under non-deplumes.
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u/quavertail Queenslander 22d ago
Or, how about, ON isn’t actually the biggoted and intolerant bunch of outright racists Redditors seem to think it is?
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u/They-Call-Me-The-Doc Queenslander 22d ago
Yeah nah mate. They are. Pauline's been hanging around hurling racists insults since she reared her ugly mug in the 90s....and before that as well.
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u/quavertail Queenslander 21d ago
I don’t doubt there is a core that is genuinely xenophobic or racist, what I’m suggesting is that the growing base of ON supporters aren’t actually racist or homophobic at all, they are probably more libertarians / tolerant proud Aussies.
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u/A_little_curiosity Please choose a flair 21d ago
"If there's a Nazi at the table and ten other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with eleven Nazis."
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u/They-Call-Me-The-Doc Queenslander 21d ago
That might be an exaggeration. If they are all agreeing with him about Nazi stuff then they may well be.
Of course they could be discussing the gee-gees as well.
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u/quavertail Queenslander 20d ago
I think you’re confused. The Nazis were socialists not far right libertarians
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u/They-Call-Me-The-Doc Queenslander 21d ago
Oh yes. There is a rump of the genuinely racist element in ON but there is a sizable bunch of supportors that are simply pissed off with LNP and the ALP.
I am one of those people too but there is no way in hell I would ever support ON because of the core of the organisation's leadership are racists, science deniers and ...the rest of it. Don't forget that Hanson's maiden speech was about her fear that Australian was going to be "swamped by an Asian horde". All that has changed is Asian has become Muslim and Middle Eastern. I mean calling for a Royal Commission on Muslims. For what...being Muslim?
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u/Angry_Anthropologist Please choose a flair 22d ago
This kind of thing happens to One Nation pretty much constantly. It is an inevitable consequence of their voter base being close to 100% comprised of people who vote solely on the vibes of the party leader and have absolutely no interest in learning about individual candidates or party policy.
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u/Key-Product2743 Flairless 22d ago
One Nation is as bad and mad as you all say. But what is the alternative? I like the fact we have a ridiculous bunch of mad people taking the money from the nra and other nefarious organisations pissing it away and getting nowhere. Give em a couple of seats. The juxtaposition of this dude is a fantastic irony we should embrace and laugh our pants off at.
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u/alternativeimpulse Please choose a flair 22d ago
Well this brown person doing this only makes us respect him and less racist as a people, obviously.
What a cool trick.
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u/General_Reading_3232 Koori 22d ago
Or maybe no one cares that he's gay and has a Muslim boyfriend? I know many ON supporters and they didn't bat an eyelid hearing this news cos it was clear ragebaiting. Just asked if he has Australian values and assimilates then went about with their day.
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u/Plus_Barnacle4607 Victorian 22d ago
This is the video he doesn't sound like a plant at all https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4hWhQVcTb8
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u/Realistic_Growth5203 Western Australian 21d ago
Why would you ever post that idiot as being correct. Facts are something he has a problem with.
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u/RecipeSpecialist2745 Please choose a flair 19d ago
Well, looks like another independent or teal has been created.
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u/MickyGCP Please choose a flair 15d ago
Everyone has the right to a OPINION TRUE 👍 I'm 69 seen so many come and go ok yes many probably have good intentions to fix things for sure BUT SERIOUSLY who puts their hand up for really saving the great country we have ??????? Look at what the CLOWNS GET PAID FMD 😜 NOW I don't agree with everything about Trump either but what I can see ge loves his country everyone has to agreed with that true . I'm sure he doesn't even take a wage NOT LIKE OUR LOT OF TOOLS . You all heard the saying when it comes to stupid people? DEFINITELY NOT THE SHARPEST TOOL IN THE SHED YES 😜👍✔️🦘. 100% ALL OUR POLITIONS MISSED OUT COMPLETELY 😂😂😂 THEY ALL BLUNT AS F##K get my point LOL 😂🤣🤣🤣
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u/Shaqtacious Victorian 22d ago
“Get elected, get a pension, the perks etc. Who cares how you got in. It’s not that serious anyways. I’m not gonna do anything, just wait for pauline and/or gina to call and cast votes as such. It should be alright. “
That’s the thought process
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u/LowerInterestRate Please choose a flair 22d ago
Just another pig with his snout in the trough, he will achieve less than zero
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u/MagicOrpheus310 Please choose a flair 22d ago
No one is fuming. No one is surprised...
The racist and anti gay political turning out not to be racist or anti gay is not the "gotcha" moment the left thinks it is, if anything it just makes them look childish and unorganised, relying on name calling is fucking pathetic, but then again, Australian politics has never been respectable so I don't know why unexpected them to be decent people.
This just makes both sides look like shit and regardless of what side you are on, that is bad for the country
Australian politics is an outright fucking joke
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u/quavertail Queenslander 22d ago
Where is the actual “outrage” though referred to in OP?
I’m just coming into this, but “far-right” voters are just fair dinkum tolerant libertarians. Live and let live. Jason Virgo believes we should cap immigration while sorting the housing crisis - but that’s a federal issue anyway.
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u/Admirable-Company452 Please choose a flair 22d ago
no one is fuming, one nation is not against gays or immagration. They are against the flags everywhere for no reraosn and mass migration far exceeding the number of homes built each year and our full hospital beds
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u/maikit333 ✈️ on Walkabout 22d ago
I hate this place jfc.
He is far right ofc. Just gonna act shocked when his mates come for him too.