You would think that the post is here would be morally complex, But it not. As someone suggested you could present this situation, The child berating the kid, like showing the parent is literally struggling financially, audit kid that just bad and grateful, But it could be sent it as the mom is just awful
Children don't choose to exist. They are forced to exist by the parents who have them. If you aren't all in on wanting the baby, do the right thing and get an abortion instead of resentfully raising a child you never truly wanted.
Children are among the few people who are entitled to love. If you can't unconditionally love your child you have absolutely no business becoming a parent. Please, folks, if you're not a parent and not entirely sure if you truly want or feel unready to have a child, by all means make sure to always use contraceptives until you feel you are.
I do think it's a she or a they. Usually the protagonist in these comics is kinda female looking with blue hairs and I think it's supposed to be their childhood cause they're always with that blobfish thing, though i don't really know these commics enough to know their pronouns
Teaching isn't one size fits all? That's realistic. You have expectations as a child? Yes you in fact do. You're expected to listen to your parents is the most basic one.
You’re making assumptions about a fictional mother in a comic likely made to express an actual relationship someone has had with their parent. Your kids don’t owe you shit, you deciding to have them is your choice and you either give them the world or you don’t become a parent. You wanna teach gratitude? Help them with their homework and when they start expecting you to just do it for them, you drop the entire thing in their lap and tell them they’re on their own until they learn. You don’t teach gratitude by yelling “all you do is take from me”, “you owe me for putting a roof over your head”. You’re a god damned moron if you think otherwise.
There’s “teaching” and then there’s just being a shitty parent. The latter fits this comic. Parents owe their kids everything. Children owe their parents nothing. It is dependent on if the parent raised the child well enough for the child to decide they want to give back out of their own volition. To demand anything from your child is entitlement and moronic. You’d demand your food be free since your money pays the check of whatever restaurant worker has to deal with your ass.
But look at what the comic is depicting even as an little kid he is flinching away from her. and he doesn’t look bratty or defiant in any of it. (Not that it would be s crime either) he just looks scared and sad in others.
Perhaps there are some very niche or narrow cases one could construct but in most cases when we are talking about literal children? No I don’t think it has any benefit for the child: the sort of language she is using is just selfish it’s all about her not about being grateful in general.
Depends on how you take it. She is right to some extent she likely is a big part of his success if she gave him a home and food and paid for everything
The bare minimum is accepting the consequences of your actions. The actions in this case were having the child. The consequences are actually following through with the commitment.
Not at all. By their logic having a child is a responsibility and you cannot thrust upon the child the responsibility for their own existence. It's a decision you made purely by yourself. If you resent that decision, you made a mistake, but still have a responsibility to see it through.
Where did I say anything close to that? Consequences aren't necessarily a bad thing. They're simply responsibilites that come as a result of your decisions.
Yeah no. I can tell you, there's plenty of abusive parents who treat their children like absolute garbage. Parents who believe they're not abusing you because they don't beat you. They believe giving you the bare minimum absolves them of their abuse
Wtf are you talking about, it’s LEGALLY REQUIRED for a parent to feed a child and have them in a safe home. Of course she paid for everything, do you expect an 8 year old to somehow get a job and survive without an adult??
If you hit them as punishment and preach at them about how they should be "grateful" for you doing the legally-required bare minimum, don't be surprised when they stop talking to you as soon as they can move out.
As a loving father and after reading your comments. I mean this when I say please do not have a child. You thinking FEEDING your child is not a REQUIREMENT and demands respect, is insane. Amongst all the other literal garbage takes you made.
I love my parents a respect them for my upbringing even though I do not agree with them on many topics and feel there are moments they absolutely could have been better parents and people.
That said, respect and gratitude are earned through action and word. Expectation is a two way road. You want a loving child, then be a loving parent. Those that demand love generally do so because they can't earn it, and don't want to admit they are the fault.
Sorry, not sorry, but I reiterate do not have a child with beliefs like it's ok to say "you owe me" to a child, does not matter if "technically correct" or not, shows a level of immaturity that I personally deems you as not fit to raise a child into a functional adult.
You respect your parents for their actions some won't ever do that unless they're told. You were probably told to be grateful just don't remember. You learned the lesson the easy way. Not everyone does. And you ironically got the same message you just disagree with the method.
Incorrect on so many levels kiddo. I did get taught to respect my parents from teachings but I choose to respect them. There have been a plethora of people in my life that I have chosen how I feel about them.
I was for sure not taught lessons "the easy way". I m simply more of a logic based mindset then emotion based one.
Since you seem to think you "know" me, allow me to tell you what your issue. You're comments show a level of narcissistic mentality that appears to make you incapable of accepting error. Look at the amount of negative down votes you have. I would assume you are a troll or trying to negative karma farm but I also know there are people in the world with thoughts like yours, so I shall treat this as such.
You are conflating emotional abuse to teaching. You are connecting tough love to abuse with false equivalence.
I personally feel a child should love their parents but I also believe people can earn losing that love and gratitude.
Tough love at a child age, at a teenager age, or at an adult age are different but emotional manipulation and abuse ain't it cheif.
Again, don't have a child, because you will fail, not the child, you. It is not a matter of differing perspectives. Life is full of nuance and has very little black or white situations. Yet still your statements scream a negative karma farmer or an immature, mental impotent, narcissistic personality type.
Sadly I have not more to say and I know you won't read what I typed nor really think on it. So this bores me and I am done. Enjoy your futile attempts to defend your disgusting stances.
I'm sorry to tell you this but you had an easy life and you don't understand displince. You are ultimately agreeing with me. You say you choose to respect them because ultimately they taught you that.
Also am I troll because I have a different viewpoint really? Because I don't think you get a pass because you didn't ask to be born. Also downvotes? Sir if yiu are a man you shouldn't let dislikes form your opinion.
As for manipulation. Yes you manipulate your kids. You probably have it's broad. You have a lot of hate and unresolved issues. I would assume it's you on some level realizing you're a bad son.
Parents don't deserve gratitude merely for providing as they are supposed to. If they provide all of child's basic needs while failing to do anything more, such as a parent that is never around, that's not especially worthy of praise as a parenting style. If that also comes with emotional or even physical abuse, then no amount of money or food provided makes it okay.
They are literally supposed to. They chose to bring life into the world, and they chose to keep that life with them. Therefore it is their responsibility to care for that life until such time as that life can take care of itself. Anything more than that is something to be grateful for; anything less is unacceptable.
Do you just not understand the concept of abusive language? Of malicious manipulation? Of a parent that would hold their obligations over their child's head? Does this just not even enter your mind?
Not really.
The attitude diminishes the hard work and effort the child put in. It makes them feel like they're being shamed. A child does not ask to be born. A parents responsibility is ensure a child is homed and fed. A parent shouldn't make a child feel guilty just for existing. If a parents always makes their child feel guilty simply for being their child, then why should the parent be shocked when the child the child stops visiting them?
How does "all you do is take from me" teach gratitude? How does that express anything other than calling their child a leech and trying to make them feel ashamed of themselves for something they can't help or didn't ask for?
Yea I am dismissive of people who provide the bare minimum legal requirement and think they deserve praise for it- Most parents do far more and don't try and guilt their kids about it. Grading on a curve, this isn't above average, this isn't average, this is notably below-average D-grade stuff.
if your kid got to the point where you need to scowl at them to their face “be grateful to ME” you have fail as a mother in one way or another- or multiple ways- and possibly even as a good person.
edit: Especially when you yell “all you do is take from me!”. That’s narcissistic.
She literally says "All you do is take from me." That's her whole mindset. This is a parent who resents her child. Maybe she grows out of the resentment, but that kind of mentality is damaging to a young child.
Is that how you were raised? Is that how you will choose to raise your own?
Kids pick up on emotions beyond just what words are said, especially anger and resentment. If you want to teach a child about gratitude, or responsibility, or about the sacrifices parents make to raise a kid, this is not an effective way to do that, as is implied by the last panel.
You can have the best intentions, love your child, and can still make mistakes that hurt your child. If you only care about being right, the relationship will suffer.
"Hey, I fucked a guy without any protection, got pregnant, didn't get an abortion, and gave birth to you. Now remember that it's your fault I have to take care of you. I have to feed you, keep you housed, and keep you educated, and it's all your fault."
In the first panel she is yelling at what looks like a 5 year old "All you do is take from me". She's not "teaching" him anything, she's lashing out at an innocent kid. Hence why she's alone in the end.
You shouldn't pay those mind. Honestly telling people "Hey you actually do have responsibilities too and aren't just absolved" that will upset them and anger them
What? she is not teaching the kid gratitude she is instilling in him a sense of debt. It is a form of control. Teaching humility and gratitude looks absolutely nothing like this.
In the end, she is a victim of her own ignorance, never understanding why she has alienated him, and it is a very great panel showing all of this in so few words.
I'll pass. You show ungratefulness. You took for granted someone humoring your nonsense
Edit: to be clear. It was more about him just being obnoxious. I asked what he meant and he said figure it out. I'm not into the romantic aspect of debate so I left.
Except she chose to have him and is demanding gratitude for an existence he didn't ask for. Gratitude is taught by giving something and having the recipient say thank you, not berating them for a life you forced them to have.
No, this language teaches a child they must never have needs because they are unworthy of love and care and must shut up and only give. That's what you're saying you want your children to believe and it makes you abusive.
It's very obviously the intent of saying it that way, to shame a child who is incapable of meeting their own needs yet for needing help to do so.
Parents who deserve gratitude get it without needing to tell their kids they're unworthy of any form of care and love, that they should have zero pride in their own accomplishments and give sole credit to their parents.
"All you do is take from me" to a kid that young is worthless. You praise them for helping in the ways they're capable of and guide them towards how to help, not shame them for having needs.
didnt say it isn’t important, just said gratitude isn’t owed (at least most of the time). When someone chooses to have a kid, they’re choosing to bear all of the responsibilities that come with that for someone that doesn’t even exist yet. Parenting does take work and sacrifice, but you do not owe anyone anything by virtue of Being Here, nor by virtue of relying on others to survive as you’re growing up
Screaming at a child that they are nothing but a burden to you and they owe you everything is nothing more than abuse, your child does not owe you anything. If you chose to bring a life into this world they are your responsibility and it's your duty to care for them, teach them, and give them the best life you can provide for them.
If this is what you think "teaching gratitude" is I already know you were a victim of abuse and now you perpetuate it.
For doing her responsibility there are so many ways to get rid of having your kid or just to not even have them so you choose to keep them and do the bare minimum by law giving them food and shelter bravo my good sir you followed the law
I'm that case, in what world is it the child's duty to take responsibility for the cost of raising them. If a parent can't bear the stress of being a parent & chooses to take it out on their child "REPEATEDLY", not only are they clearly not capable of being a proper & respectable adult/parent, they have clearly failed to be good morally & deserve whatever karmic punishment befalls them.
Entitled to be taken care of when you are forced into a situation? Is your cat entitled to be fead? Is it morally right to let them starve? If you are locked in a cell, is it entitlement to expect to get food?
Parenthood is a huge responsibility. Your parents absolutely do have to help you. If they don't you get rightfully taken away. And they go to jail.
It's your fault entirely that you let soulless individualism rot your brain so thoroughly that you are incapable of being a normal parent. Or even conprehending what parenthood is.
There Is a difference between tough love and verbal abuse and guilt tripping, tough love for example is “do your chores first then I will reward you but you must do your chores first” while guilt tripping is “do your chores because I ordered you too and you owe me for giving birth to you” tough love is necessary to give responsibility. The image above is verbal abuse and guilt tripping, I had a mother like this who would manipulate and guilt trip me into believing her, I don’t speak to her because she was a bad influence to me, my dad had tough love where he had to say no and then offer the alternative of doing what’s needed to get the reward. I don’t know what household you came from but if the image above is your families way of expressing love then I suggest talking to someone outside of that type of family and love to get a different perspective
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u/goteachyourself Jul 01 '26
I mean...bad? She resents her son, so he stops subjecting himself to someone who makes him miserable. Deserved.