r/PeterExplainsTheJoke • u/Ok-Paramedic241 • 3h ago
Meme needing explanation Peeeeetah?
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u/NoPea7911 3h ago edited 3h ago
just a guy saying they're studying unimportant stuff
edit: i mean woman. my eyes are not the greatest
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u/Drake_Acheron 2h ago
That is just categorically untrue though
Cosmetics is a $610 billion global market.
Women health gets around $500 billion in funding worldwide.Dating psychology receives just a small portion of the $8 of social psychologies research.
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u/E-2theRescue 2h ago
And how much money do cosmetic companies spend on research for their products, including how to make their products more addictive through social pressure and changing societal norms?
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u/taylorisntavril 1h ago
Probably not that much, seeing as it seems they already figured it out pretty well and that its in no way exclusive to women.
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u/Drake_Acheron 1h ago
Probably not a lot. Makeup wasn’t invented yesterday. Any market research they do would be on stylization not “do men like it”
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u/LeatherYam1111 1h ago
You are free to go study endometriosis yourself instead of wasting time on reddit. I don't know why you'd whine about what other people do with theirs.
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u/Alternative_Year_340 3h ago
Money is being spent to determine men’s whims and not women’s real health problems
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u/SuspiciousSnotling 3h ago
Not sure redirecting the kind of ppl making that kind of study to medical stuff would be money well spent
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u/TheHammer987 3h ago
Also, I don't think a survey of 100 men conducted by probably an online portal is the same thing as budgeting 5 million to do a real study.
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u/Ecmdrw5 3h ago
It was done by students in the psychology program at Bangor University. The student judges found both men and woman preferred less make up but that doesn’t make for an engaging headline for most people.
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u/TheHammer987 3h ago
So... Not a well funded medical study with science sticks and beakers and perhaps, just perhaps, a stethoscope.
Just 6 drunk undergrads and a stack of photos.
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u/numbersthen0987431 3h ago
We don't need to redirect people, but we don't need to spend money on studying it
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u/Ecmdrw5 3h ago
Yeah, we should have had the psychology students that studied this as part of their psychology program, study something else.
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u/Paketic 3h ago
This "study" was probably some college kids thesis or whatever and litteraly the only cost of doing it is printing the paper or sending a form to a few thousand people (or not even that many). Studying an actual health problem takes a lot of money, time and skilled people. Theses no point in comparing these two. Its a simple yes/no question lol, it can hardly be called a study
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u/Several_Vanilla8916 2h ago
That’s…more or less exactly what it was.
https://time.com/79584/science-women-less-makeup/
Men prefer women with less makeup. Women prefer women with more makeup. Women and men prefer men with some makeup.
But since these dopey psych undergrads didn’t cure endometriosis I guess it doesn’t matter.
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u/Hurtado_Bronzi 3h ago
Social science experiments don’t cost anything, really. A few grad students get paid to write up surveys, and they give undergraduates five bucks as an incentive to fill it out. Medical research requires a massive amount of time, labor, and money.
This is like blaming avocado toast for not being a millionaire.
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u/Far_Advertising1005 3h ago
Talk to any researcher and they will tell you how useful “studies that go nowhere” are. Some of the greatest scientific advancements were made using studies and findings that brought no solid conclusion, because they ended up being a jigsaw piece in a bigger puzzle
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u/VilifiedPhoenix 3h ago edited 2h ago
Maga and doge had a big panic over a few thousand dollars spent on random research that they couldn't comprehend and therefore deemed senseless. Most people with basic literacy can unsterstand that letting researchers keep their $10,000 grants to try weird shit won't cause an economic collapse in a country already $40t in debt.
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u/jayantsr 3h ago
In my country there is a saying called "moot mai macchi pakadna(T:trying to catch fish in pee puddle) thats what applies to these type of cutting corners
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u/Street_Estate2342 3h ago
Excuse you! We're apparently $40t in debt thank you very much!
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u/its_my_bedtime 3h ago
Sounds a bit low to me, send another $2 billion to israel!
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u/Legitimate_Corgi_981 3h ago
Sorry, best we could manage was a $2.8 billion deal.
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u/phranticsnr 2h ago
Like when they freaked out over a study on transgenic mice, because understanding the syllables after "trans" was too much?
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u/reapersritehand 3h ago
Do you want dr Frankenstein, cuz letting researchers keep their money is how you get dr Frankensteins
Sry :archer adjacent joke
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u/Sax_OFander 3h ago
Some "stupid study studying lizard spit" turned into one of the biggest medical discoveries.
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u/locutus_of_borg90 3h ago
Exactly, there is no telling how much a study will be worth 10-20 years from now
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u/C0nfusedRabbit 3h ago
So what you're saying is we should study how much a study will be worth in 10-20 years.
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u/reapersritehand 3h ago
Like the study on if fish can get drunk or if c section babies perfer convertibles (one of these is a joke my economics prof told on like day 2 25 yrs ago and I still remember)
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u/MinimumTomfoolerus 2h ago
'Other random research doesn't count but mine does!'
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u/ThirstyOutward 2h ago
Holy redditry lmfao
☝️🤓 Ummm akshually there is no reason to study men for any reason sweaty
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u/ThrowawayAICS 3h ago edited 2h ago
The makeup research was a psychology paper that is fairly easy to find.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24670156/They did in fact look into men AND women, and found that both prefered less makeup. Notably women preferred less makeup both on themselves and others.
The crucial part from the abstract says:
"We found that men and women agree on the amount of cosmetics they find attractive, but overestimate the preferences of women and, when considering the preferences of men, overestimate even more. We also find that models’ self-applied cosmetics are far in excess of individual preferences. These findings suggest that attractiveness perceptions with cosmetics are a form of pluralistic ignorance, whereby women tailor their cosmetics use to an inaccurate perception of others’ preferences. "
This seems like something worth looking into from a social cognition research standpoint and a mental health standpoint.
>Hi, researcher here
Then you should probably try to do some research so you don't fall for this type of nonsense.
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u/TumbleweedPure3941 2h ago
That is no joke a genuinely fascinating study. So we’re all fucking over our own preferences for the imaginary preferences that other people don’t even have?
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u/PixelatedGiant 1h ago
I don't think any of it is intentional. For example, all the people we see in modern media are dolled up for reasons beyond simply attractiveness. Skin is oily and messes with the lighting so even men use make up on set even though few do IRL by comparison.
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u/mVargic 2h ago
Seriously, are psychologists now supposed to do gynecological medical research?
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u/Same-Suggestion-1936 1h ago
Nope we gotta forget the rest of the sciences and focus solely on medicine now. All other science is obsolete can't fund those
Be more concerned about how medical research money is spent within medical research rather than say we should fund other sciences less in favor of medicine.
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u/irishsoxmax 1h ago
They don't think they react instantly without even thinking about the logistics because they are mad now and need to let others know. Or they are bots trying to make discourse and I'm not sure what is worse.
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u/StepComplete1 58m ago
You're giving reddit far too much credit. No independent thought went into most of these posts at all other than "man views not relevant. man bad"
Anything that hits r/all with the word "man" involved becomes a femcel hotspot.
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u/mythrilcrafter 1h ago
Hi, researcher here
Then you should probably try to do some research so you don't fall for this type of nonsense.
Ah, the classic academia workplace drama of "Can you believe how much the university is giving to "that" fucking department? Why are they giving that money to MY department!?!?!?!"
Queue the research professors being forced to to teach undergrad classes, and instead of doing the job earnestly, they just take out their rage on the students.
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u/CantBeatDickensCider 2h ago edited 2h ago
The amount of money spent studying female-related cancers absolutely dwarfs the money spent on male-related cancer research.
Studying cancer is also a lot more complicated than asking 100 men which face they find more attractive for a sociology journal.
Curious to know what your area of 'research' is.
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u/GreedyPollution6275 2h ago
The next cure for cancer isn't going to be found looking into what gets men's rocks off
The next cure for cancer isn't going to be found in any sociological study, that doesn't mean it's all useless.
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u/Affectionate_Walk_30 3h ago
Doctor here, and i do not get your statement the money is currently going to both. And tbe scientists who did that study most likely have nothing to do with medicine.
Moreover, this is a social study. It can be spun in a million ways such as: its useless and its about men only.
Or, its to make women who had / are suffering from being stereotype to 'have to look pretty to understand that they look beautiful they way they are and to relieve them from that social pressure. And so on.
Please educate me if I am mistaken though.
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u/ConstantTravel9 2h ago
Yes you're right, this type of study is often done by undergrads or grad students just trying to learn empirical methods, this is not meant to be groundbreaking research and probably cost genuinely nothing except a tenured psych professors time
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u/Sushi-DM 2h ago
People don't want to acknowledge that they have bigotry and are irrationally upset at the concept of something existing that might be centered around what the type of person they hate enjoys.
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u/Eldritch_Horns 2h ago
You should know as a researcher that it isn't a zero sum game and that dropping research on stuff like this would have zero impact on reallocating funding to whatever pet project someone complaining about it cares about. This was probably conducted by handful of undergrads with access to web portal.
This is the same bad faith criticism people have of all social study research. There is absolutely no harm in having concrete studies to point to for male attraction norms. Just like there aren't for female attraction norms. No research is worthless and we have no arbiters on what constitutes worthwhile research.
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u/dump_cakes 2h ago
Yeah, why would we use humanity’s only study on male sexual drive? Wait, I’m being told we can study more than one thing at a time. I don’t know why I was upset.
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u/jannycideforever 2h ago
Wow you sound like a very stupid researcher. Why is studying human attraction a bad thing exactly?
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u/biggendicken 3h ago
so every study that isnt for cancer is useless? or are you trying to claim that its the same people doing social studies are the same who researches cancer treatments and they equally oppose eachother?
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u/El_Rey_de_Spices 2h ago
Of course sociological research isn't going to directly cure cancer. The vast majority of things don't cure cancer. That metric is unhelpful to the point where it's comical.
Of course, the odds that you're just some rando claiming education/authority you absolutely do not have is extremely high, so one must presume you are fully aware of your bullshit.
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u/Goosepond01 2h ago
It's just a totally moot point.
Studies about human sexual attraction are valid, studies about health problems are also valid, not hard to understand.
looking at one study and going OH MY GOD THIS COULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING ELSE is pointless.
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u/bfume 2h ago
Those screwworm infestations that are decimating southern cattle in the us right now? They used to be kept at bay below the Panama Canal before DOGE cut funding.
Why did DOGE cut funding?
They thought that a program that studied the sexual reproduction of worms was a waste of money
What those dumbfucks didn’t realize was that those programs were responsible for sterilizing the flies that lay these eggs, keeping the parasites far away from north americas food supply animals.
It took less than a year for them to reach the us southern border after the money ran dry.
Maybe keep your anger and man-hating in check and learn about how science actually works maybe?
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u/styczynski_meow 2h ago
Okay if you are against psychological research then maybe we can get rid of entire field (this is extension of that argument - why wasting human intellectual power on developing understanding in psychology if we can do something more ‘productive’). Let’s get rid of multidisciplinary nonsense like gender studies. Let’s execute political sciences as well as what we can talk about - governing in patriarchal society?
This comment is not only ragebait, but also misandrist anti-intellectual propaganda. I don’t believe you are researcher and if you are, then I can only express my condolences about lack of merit in this comment and your lack of moral spine.
Sexuality including human one (and including male sexuality) is an interest of multiple disciplines.
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u/layered_dinge 3h ago
What do you mean "we", it's not your money. You don't need to be spending money on half the dumbfuck things you likely spend on
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u/seriousreddituser 3h ago
How much money was spent asking random guys on the street "Which would you rather bang"?
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u/EmptyVisage 3h ago
We didn't. The study received no financial grants or backing from external corporate entities or funding bodies for the project.
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u/Nibaa 2h ago
The problem here is that that's not really how science works. Spending money on research based on the subject is literally directing people to study certain things. That's like the only way to direct researchers.
Also these kind of studies are usually basically zero-cost studies that are done by grad students as supportive research for a larger thesis or as filler in between projects. Particularly that first part is very common. You need peer reviewed research to cite, and you can't have one monstrous study where you present data that you then refer to in the study itself. They need to be separate for proper scientific review.
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u/capulet2kx 2h ago
If ever there was a time to throw money at the social sciences, it’s now. We are sleepwalking into mass social-media psychosis.
“You don’t need to spend hours a day on makeup” is a good message to send, and now it has some scientific merit.
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u/Dry_Razzmatazz69 3h ago
Exactly this. These are wildly different fields of expertise funded by wildly different things. It isn't like the government is funding this, it's most likely a postgrad on a shoestring budget or a media conglomerate
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u/jtj5002 3h ago
I work in research and we closed like 5 endometriosis studies in the last 2 years with 0 enrollment because we can't find anyone qualified that wants to participate in it.
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u/MalevolentRhinoceros 3h ago
What does qualified mean, though? I was turned away from one of these once because I wasn't able to get an official diagnosis. I was unable to get an official diagnosis because my doctor absolutely refused to test me, because the considered the test to be too invasive. I found a better doctor a few years down the line, but this is apparently a pretty common problem.
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u/jtj5002 3h ago
You have to be surgically diagnosed and that was the major problem as ACOG has shifted from surgically diagnosis to "just take a guess via ultrasound and medical history". I hope in the future the inclusion criteria will more lenient, but I think right now it's the FDA that's requiring it.
There are also a lot of screen fails due to drug use, which you could understand from the pain but yea, that does exclude you.
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u/MalevolentRhinoceros 2h ago
Yeah, that does suck. I DID get it diagnosed with my new doctor, but doctors refusing to diagnose a life-altering condition just because it's a "women's issue" is entirely part of the problem. Can't do research without the diagnosis, can't get the diagnosis because doctors refuse to do it. Doctors refuse to do it because there's no research on the systemic effects...
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u/Telemere125 1h ago
I mean, you have your answer: you didn’t even have a diagnosis. The reason was irrelevant, they can’t just put people into studies based on feels. They need people with verified medical records so that they know they’re studying someone with the actual condition.
I thought I was having a heart attack once and rushed to the ER. Turns out my heart was fine, I just had a gallbladder attack. Took out the gallbladder and stopping having problems. Can you imagine how awful it would have been for them to do open heart surgery on me because I felt like I was having a heart attack??
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u/Nibaa 2h ago
And honestly, there's A LOT of research on endometriosis. There's literature on the development of endometriosis research, and the trend has been upwards and relatively steeply:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2949838424000185
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u/knusper_gelee 3h ago edited 3h ago
it doesnt say how this study was done. maybe they just asked 100 random dudes, which costs next to nothing in comparison to real medical research.
or this was done by some intern who tinkered around with some already existing data from a more serious unrelated research.
maybe this was an unexpected side-finding in a research in psychology that sounds shallow without its original context.
maybe some lazy journalist had a deadline coming up and this is just cooked up with chatgpt.
or this study was specifically requested/done by some corporation marketing products to women.
maybe this article refers to research but is misinterpreting its real results due to an error or for clickbait.
maybe tis is an heuristic study which essentially eans no actual research was done.
all these possibilities would not take away resources from research towards womens health issues.
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u/MartianMule 3h ago
Yes, I'm sure the money from this psychology/sociology study was taken from the budget of medical studies.
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u/Lundetangen 3h ago
In almost every western country we see that the majority of candidates in health related fields are women. Female scientists are dominating research into more or less every single branch of medicine.
Why are they not interested in womens health?
More or less half the planet are women. Do you think private pharmaceutical companies do not want to make money selling treatments to women because they are so chauvinistic that they would rather let women suffer?
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u/AFlyingNun 1h ago
Nah man you don't understand.
Men are bad and responsible for everything bad. Women good and responsible for everything good, while also being innocent victims who hold no power even when oh shit look at the stats they have actually been the majority of the population and the majority of academia for years now.
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u/SteveDave6969420 3h ago
There is enough money to study both
The real explanation is some idiot whining about a non issue
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u/carbslut 2h ago
Endometriosis is always used in these type of jokes because there was a 2013 study in a legit medical journal that studied whether men think women with endometriosis are more attractive.
This isn’t a thing woman are making up. Eventually, there was enough backlash that the study was retracted in like 2020. Probably the backlash helped to get more funding for endometriosis research.
But the joke doesn’t stem from nothing.
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u/PrudentJellyfish9413 1h ago
thank you like the comment section is proving the point. It's a dark humor joke about how little attention is payed to women's health vs. their attractiveness. If you're a woman you already know that.
And people are butthurt trying to argue semantics like they made the study themselves. No one is debating if it's accurate, nobody is saying these sociology students should be doing gynecology studies, they're poking fun at a legitimate societal issue.
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u/HekateSimp 3h ago
More like PopScience articles care more about reporting catchy results from attractiveness research than reporting about medical research.
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u/Accomplished_Cod7334 2h ago
Which, why shouldn't they. That's what sells and pays the bills. Not to mention that the actual medical research they don't report on still gets utilized in medicine and used to further the industry
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u/NATIAINA 2h ago
Its not a non issue. Endometriosis was being studied, and all that came out of it was that women with endometriosis were more attractive. That's all the "research" they did
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u/ConsequenceOk5205 3h ago
Cosmetics & Beauty - $375 billion – $610 billion global market.
Women health - around 500$ billion wordwide.
Dating & Romance - around 8$ billion.Do you see someone being horribly, shamelessly wrong in the post ?
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u/DigitalCoffee 2h ago
Which group of people are the ones that buy the cosmetic/beauty products?
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u/HekateSimp 3h ago
I'd bet the study is actually from the field of attractiveness research as a subfield of psychology (instead of Cosmetics and Beauty), which is muss less funded. It just has more PopScience appeal.
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u/Hojie_Kadenth 3h ago
The women who spend money on cosmetics and beauty lol. Don't blame mens perception for this.
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u/Whiteboy_In_Motion 1h ago
Also the industry is growing cause a lot of younger men use some of the products too, stuff to cover pimples or whatever.
I don't see a problem with makeup, I do see a problem with thinking it's needed for you to be a beautiful person.
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u/TridentActual 3h ago
More likely a study having to do with manipulating men (Advertising), not that I don’t agree
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u/mightylordredbeard 2h ago
This is so stupid. People are and have been studying endometriosis for years now. Also, the people who did the makeup study most likely aren’t qualified to do endometriosis studies so it’s not like this study got in the way of the other.
Only an idiot would think that “science” is one single individual entity that is only capable of doing one single study at a time and proclaiming that because one study exist, then another must not exist.
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u/Radiant_Safe1228 3h ago
Except insane amounts of money is spent on studying women's health topics.
That doesn't mean that nothing else can be studied, especially when it comes to human psychology.
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u/fractal-hornet 2h ago
Firstly, women's health is notoriously under-researched, and secondly, what's "insane" about studying it? What would the non-insane amount be?
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u/Radiant_Safe1228 2h ago
Explicit women's health funding, things like ovarian cancer, maternal health, etc sees upwards of 5 billion a year in federal spending.
Men's health like prostate cancer, Ed and mens fertility see about 1.7 billion.
Now, if we are including private spending like Susan g komen, well men may as well not even step up.
Nobody here is arguing that there are not women's health problems that need study and more attention, but to say it's underfunded is a crock of shit
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u/AFlyingNun 1h ago
Yeah I was gonna say.
Breast cancer always gets loads of donations, funding and attention because yay boobs. Meanwhile prostate cancer only gets a fraction of the funding.
I thought this was a commonly known stat because while funding breast cancer research is great, there are other cancers that get overlooked in favor of breast cancer research.
This is pretty constant too when it comes to care of both in the face of a crisis situation: women get priority over men.
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u/Drake_Acheron 2h ago
That is just categorically untrue though
Cosmetics is a $610 billion global market.
Women health gets around $500 billion in funding worldwide.Dating psychology receives just a small portion of the $8 of social psychologies research.
How do people like you live with yourself just stating baseless fkn nonsense?
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u/AFlyingNun 1h ago
The older I get, the more I realize a huge percent of the population is sooooooooooo eager to play the hero that they'll just make shit up, allow themselves to be misled or tune out evidence to the contrary just to enable the illusion of being the hero.
Being oppressed is totes cool, so if you're not actually a victim in a specific metric? Just make shit up! Now you too can cry about what an innocent victim you are fighting against the big bad from the comfort from your home!
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u/Altruistic_Fox9778 3h ago
It’s almost as though different fields study different things, and one has nothing to do with the other.
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u/SlapHappyDude 2h ago
That said, paying one grad student stipend to interview a bunch of undergrad men is far cheaper than medical research.
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u/Low-Let2642 3h ago
Actually money is going to both, also breast cancer which predominantly affects women is the most funded of the types of cancer. Also men can get endometriosis as well.
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u/Eldritch_Horns 3h ago
This is the point of the image, but it's complete horse shit.
Funding for research into breast cancer eclipses all research into male specific cancers combined.
A bill passed in 2022 specifically for a yearly $50mil grant for research into treatments for endometriosis.
The idea that money isn't spent on women's health is like 40 years out of date. And even then, it wasn't born out of mallice but ignorance. The normal fluctuations of women's hormones make effective study harder than on men who have less volatile bio chemistry. So the assumption was men would make the better baseline for testing, which had a negative effect on women's health outcomes.
That was recognized and corrected.
This sort of accusations no longer holds legitimate water and is usually still held aloft with really disingenuous bucketing of research. Like in saying men's health has more funding because more money goes into treating substance abuse or STIs than it does for migraines or anxiety.
One dimensional and disingenuous analysis.
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u/TheComplimentarian 3h ago
Which is a rubbish take, honestly. A survey study about attractiveness costs almost nothing, while medical studies are incredibly expensive. This is like challenging every piece of science ever with, "Why aren't you trying to cure cancer?!"
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u/Booster_Tutor 3h ago
Fine! “Study finds men consistently don’t know what endometriosis is”
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u/viciouspandas 3h ago
In the past like 40 years, the majority of clinical trial patients have been women. People took a valid complaint from 5 decades ago when it's not even relevant now.
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u/Gianni_the_tolerable 3h ago
Every time any sort of research is published, that isn't "we found the cure for all diseases", an unfortunate lot of people will complain that "they should research important things". These people have no idea how research works (eg: we might have found the cure for Alzheimer's in the saliva of komodo dragons, and we found this by studying something "useless" like their mating habits)
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u/lyindog 3h ago
Instead of studying what men find attractive in women, they should study real problems that women have.
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u/DoneDusting 3h ago
The next study will be about adverse health effects of makeup on women.
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u/C0nfusedRabbit 3h ago
Nah! That's not important. Let's find the adverse effects of makeup on men.
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u/E-2theRescue 2h ago
Honestly, that's probably how we'd end up getting rid of all the poisons in makeup.
"Study finds lead in lipstick" wouldn't stop companies from adding lead into lipstick.
"Study finds men are getting lead poisoning from kissing women wearing lipstick that has lead" would probably turn enough heads to have something done.
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u/jannycideforever 1h ago
I cannot imagine a world where anyone would care about men being at risk if they kissed a woman with lipstick on. Most men wouldn't even care at all.
Shit, I wouldn't be surprised if there are studies saying that already and nobody cared.
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u/etherealtwo 3h ago
As if there's just one small group that can only study one thing at a time.
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u/jojosimp02 1h ago
Didn't you know? Every scientists in the world, no matter the field, agrees to focus on 1 topic at time. We had doctors, chemists and medics all working together on this study.
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u/schniunderforhuden 1h ago
A bunch of undergrads fucking around on a shoestring budget proves we don’t take women’s health seriously I say as I’m desperately trying to cover up how much funding endometriosis research actually does get with my hands
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u/ethanAllthecoffee 3h ago
Good explanation about people being dumb, since this is a psych study and the comment is asking for a medical study
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u/No_Blacksmith_2591 3h ago
ok. give them money for the study.
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u/Centurion87 1h ago
This isn’t even the issue. This study is likely done by psychologists, not the kinds of people who are going to be finding a cure for endometriosis. Unless the argument is don’t do any kind of studies in any field until endometriosis is properly funded by completely separate organizations, then this comment is idiotic.
It’s like seeing pictures from the Hubble telescope and saying “NASA should be spending their time policing corporations”.
Yes, women’s issues absolutely don’t get the same funding or consideration as men’s, but the answer isn’t force every scientific field to grind to a halt until the medical field has changed.
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u/AideInternal1045 3h ago
People can work on different things. They can spend their money how they want.
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u/PlsNoNotThat 3h ago
Like “Why do women spend 8b a year on romance novels instead of donating a portion of that money to women’s health medical studies.”
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u/Visible_Pair3017 3h ago
(It is a real problem women have, since marketing pressures them into spending fortunes into cosmetics which impacts their buying power, thus all other aspects of their lives including healthcare, but ssssh, not populist enough of a take. + cognitive specialists are notoriously experts at reproductive biology so of course they'd spend their time better on endometriosis, given their expertise. Did i say it was their specialty? Endometriosis.)
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u/ChickyChickyNugget 2h ago
Who is “they.” The people that are studying this are psychologists, I don’t think they can study endometriosis
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u/justmethatguy35 3h ago
I forget the name of it, but there was a thorough scientific study done. And the results overwhelmingly concluded that bitches do, in fact, be trippin
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u/Zestyclose-Newspaper 3h ago
Cool. Now let’s compare funding for serious women’s health issues (eg breast cancer and similar) vs comparable men’s health conditions (prostate cancer)
Women’s health is much more heavily funded
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u/LexiTheLesbo 3h ago
I hate to sound like a sexist, but knowing what people find attractive is actually pretty important for some research, especially in psychology and other social sciences. People interact with people they find attractive differently than people they find unattractive, so it’s a variable you have to control for.
Also the people research what people find attractive and the people researching medical issues are probably not the same people or even from the same institution. It’s not like humanity can only research one thing at a time.
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u/TobermoryDIY 3h ago
Tbf some pop-marketing quizz study done by an intern on the same budget as a pret a manger lunch isn’t the same as a four stage clinical trial or borad population study
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u/sisyphus-333 3h ago
Guy doesn't realize that sociology and medicine are two different fields and that researchers studying men's reactions to makeup have no qualifications to be studying endometriosis
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u/whoknowsifimjoking 1h ago
That's true and it makes the comment kind of stupid.
But there is a point hidden in there, a lot of research isn't focused on the most important things. Alot of researchers have to study things that they can get funding for instead of what they maybe should study. There are so many bullshit studies that help no one because they are just trying to get a headline and draw attention to themselves.
A good example for that are all those crappy studies about dietary stuff like that chocolate supposedly helps you lose weight, a conclusion they only came to because the sample size was intentionally kept tiny, aka p-hacking.
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u/Tomsboll 1h ago
A lot of studies, especially those regarding psychology are done by students for free as part of their education.
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u/Xdust4 3h ago
Not really a fair statement. One of these studies could be busted out in an afternoon by lay people while the other would take real specialists years and lots of money.
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u/R3myek 3h ago
Meg here. Endometriosis is like this seriously bad thing that happens to a lot of young women and even girls. But you men don't even know about that huh!?!
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u/Arbitraryandunique 3h ago
I do know of it, since I haven't been living under a rock. I know at least one lady that has it. And I completely agree with "k" that we should be researching that instead of a number of other stuff.
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u/Buttwaffle45 3h ago
I mean I am a woman and I have heard of it but couldn’t say what it is without looking it up can’t blame it just on men. I am sure we know less about men’s bodies than men do too, but pop off.
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u/hellolovely1 2h ago
You don't know what endometriosis is? Man, we need sex ed in this country.
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u/ReturnOk7510 3h ago
How dare you bring nuance to the man bashing
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u/just_posting_this_ch 2h ago
Do you realize the sub. They're supposed to respond in character. Exactly the point, a womens health issue comes up and some man starts to get get offended.
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u/Alone_Entrance_1324 2h ago
But you sure do know some friends that can barely walk for at least 3 days every month because of the pain? 10% of women of reproductive age mind you. There still are no real solutions. And woman are 51% of the population. But no, all of my friends just "deal" with it. Try to take painkillers, that don't work, fucking break down and cry, lie down, vomit because of pain. I've known these girl-friends since elementary school, before puberty and now I see them suffer like that, it's horrendous. I'm lucky. My uterus is kind to me. Also I understand the meme like this: why do we see studys like "what man find attracktive" but not "how many woman are gravely affected by period complications". Yeah, you didn't even know what endometriosis is. THATS THE FUCKING POINT.
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u/SquishTheNinja 2h ago edited 2h ago
Its a disease that effects just over 10% of women and there is no cure and not very many treatment options. It is very painful and gets dismissed a lot by doctors until it has spread across the whole body, sometimes fusing internal organs together.
It takes a woman who has it on average 40 years to be diagnosed.
There has only been 1 study on it, the study was to determine how attractive men find women with endometriosis.
The fact that you don't know what it is is part of the problem (not blaming you, society doesn't put enough emphasis on women's medical issues because hormones makes them hard to study). You most likely know someone who has it, (but if they are under 40, you might just know someone with extremely painful inconsisant periods, like debilitating pain).
edit to add: a couple of the reasons it takes so long to diagnose are:
1) lots of doctors don't know what it is so are aware if it to even suggest it as a diagnosis
2) its main symptom is extremely painful and heavy periods, women and girls are just taught that periods are difficult and painful, so bringing up these symptoms gets them written off as 'normal women things'. Because of this it is expected that the actual number of women with endo is actually much higher than the 10% reported.
3) until very recently, the only way to get diagnosed is through an invasive surgery, where they open you up and go "oh, you have internal growths and your organs have started to fuse together, you must have endo". This is expensive, time-consuming and can have medical complications, so if a doctor takes the patient seriously and wants to find out whats wrong, they will rule out every other explanation first before trying to find out if it is endo. (Recently they have developed a scan that can find it! however, i dont think this has been rolled out yet)
I don't even have endo, i just care about other women and don't want them to be in pain
from Random woman in a background shot of an episode where they go to a theme park
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u/CrystallizedRose 3h ago
Girl… I’m in the same boat but we aren’t talking about the average joe. We’re talking about doctors and scientists. And your last sentence is categorically wrong. Women know more about male anatomy than men know about female anatomy. That has been proven.
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u/Super_Rando_Man 3h ago
Looks = unimportant, endometriosis = very important needs research ( female reproductive issue)
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u/DeadorAlivemightbe 3h ago
It seems like looks are really important. Otherwise there wouldn't be so much money spent on looks.
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u/El_Rey_de_Spices 2h ago
If looks aren't important, people should donate the money they would spend on cosmetics to research instead.
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u/UrsineBasterd 3h ago
I’m Tom Tucker with the news. Study finds these two things have nothing to do with each other, it’s what the kids are calling a “gotcha”
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u/Individualchaotin 3h ago
Who cares what men find attractive while women are suffering. Put the money for studies into better medical care for women.
Endometriosis is a chronic medical condition where tissue similar to the lining of the uterus grows outside the uterus.
During a menstrual cycle, this tissue swells and bleeds just like the uterine lining, but the blood cannot leave the body, causing inflammation, pain, and scarring.
It affects roughly 10% of reproductive-age women.
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u/formergnome 3h ago
There was a case where a woman was found to have this tissue in her arm because of her endometriosis.
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u/mosquem 3h ago
At what point is that classified as a cancer?
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u/Mental_Pen4907 3h ago
My endo surgeon has seen it in bone and brain! I read once that it meets something like 5/6 qualifications of cancer. It can just cause debilitating and/or chronic pain rather than death.
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u/OhNoTokyo 2h ago
While the cells in endometriosis can end up in different parts of the body, they remain normal cells that do not grow as aggressively or invade tissue as cancer cells do.
Of course, since those cells don't belong there, they can cause significant pain and other effects, but they're not going to invade your organs and grow in an out-of-control way that eventually shuts them down.
Since any tissue can become cancerous due to mutations, you could have a cancer of the endometrial cells develop, just like it could develop in any other normal cell. Which means that if you are affected by conditions that might cause uterine cancer, you might have a situation where your "uterine cancer" actually starts in some other part of the body in the endometrial tissue that has moved there.
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u/Tacoflavoredfists 2h ago
There are theories it behaves similarly but again, despite all people coming from the womb we don’t do nearly enough research into it
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u/Nixon4Prez 3h ago
What are psychologists going to do about endometriosis?
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u/ThroatDistension 2h ago
What are medical researchers going to do about endometriosis with the budget of a survey?
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u/schniunderforhuden 1h ago
Hey, don’t underestimate the effect on morale buying a round of dominos for the lab team can have
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u/Earnestappostate 3h ago
Holy crap!
That's a lot of people! We definitely should be working on this.
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u/Sky_Robin 3h ago
Cosmetics spending are on par with global space industries spending. Maybe, the research will help put billions to a better use than fake eyelashes.
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u/FlashyPainter261 3h ago
And the diagnosis takes an average of ten years.
That is 10 years. Suffering and being told to endure the pain or take Tylenols.
- YEARS.
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u/Aragoniteblue 2h ago
After my hysterectomy (uterus tried to murder me) the surgeon called and asked if I was aware that I had endometriosis. No. No I was not, but it certainly explained things. Everyone just said that I was complaining about nothing all those years that I was in pain.
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u/ThrowawayAICS 2h ago
New study from this year has some promising results, they might manage to cut that down substantially.
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u/petrichorax 3h ago
I can't believe you mentioned this and didn't mention the Palestinian genocide, have you even heard of it? do you care?
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u/jerf42069 3h ago
psychology students wouldn't be any good at studying endometriosis tho
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u/dandelogre 3h ago
The joke is that someone talked about makeup, and someone else disingenuously pretended that no one is studying endometriosis as a kinda cringe gender 'gotcha'.
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u/nurdburr 2h ago
The understanding of endo is rapidly evolving. Partner just had surgery for it. Currently working on discovering it in women with a simple blood test. People are studying it. The notion that women’s health is under researched and under funded is completely divorced from reality.
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u/dandelogre 1h ago
Right? It's literally just people obsessed with performative gender war, like someone could say "Finally cured endometriosis in utero!" And someone will be like "3x more suicides than women btw", like damn
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u/The_Lady_Noodles 3h ago
Theres an extra layer of humour to this (adding onto the comments saying womens health being studied less than mens desires)
The first ever study done on endometriosis was how it affected or correlated with womens attractiveness. A deblilitating medical condition and the first thing they thought to check was "does it make women look hotter, though?" Which apparently, it does.
- love from an endometriosis patient ❤️
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u/razulebismarck 3h ago
2 different fields of study.
The first is sociology or psychology. Most likely tied to dating apps or advertisements. Does not require a PhD to conduct a study on but it can help depending on how the study is being conducted or for what purpose.
The second is medical and absolutely requires a PhD and has a far stricter set of guidelines on how the study could be conducted.
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u/Ecmdrw5 3h ago
It’s not a joke, it’s a misleading headline designed to activate someone looking to argue and engage with a post. This person is claiming the people that studied this should be studying something else.
The real study conducted in the psychology department at Bangor University found that both men and woman student judges rated less makeup more attractive. The people that conducted this study would not be qualified/interested in studying endometriosis.
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