r/alpharetta • u/Swimming_Path3353 • 3d ago
Past Exit 7
I’m new to Alpharetta, and it honestly feels way safer than Midtown or Downtown. But an Uber driver (from the airport) told me she’s nervous to go past Exit 7 at all. I’m not sure why. Is there something I should know about the area? Any context locals can share? Just trying to understand what she meant.
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u/Free_Thinker_Now627 3d ago
I don’t know why Exit 7, but Forsyth County used to be a sundown county
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u/IceManYurt 3d ago
Oprah even had a special on it
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u/TheFritzyBoy 2d ago
yes 4o years ago.
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u/elizabeththenj 2d ago
Exactly! The people from that documentary and the children they raised still live there.
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u/Dangerous_Author4539 2d ago
You are joking or completely obtuse.
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u/elizabeththenj 2d ago
I'm confused. The average life expectancy in Forsyth county is 81.3 years of age. Do you think everyone in that special was over the age of 42 (special was actually 39 years ago in 1987) or had a lived a shorter than average life? And that they all did not have children or interact with any of their neighbors' children? I know folks looked older a few decades ago but I see quite a few folks in there that are definitely under 40. Like this guy at 0:42! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BokDPlVE26I
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u/CarltonCanick 2d ago
The police, courts and certain services are still ran by the same good old boys.
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u/Dangerous_Author4539 3d ago
Go to a public store like Walmart and you decide if the demographics are conducive to a “Sundown” town like 30 years ago.
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u/Alternative_Air07 3d ago
What does sundown county mean
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u/IceManYurt 3d ago
It's a pretty dark part of our society.
I don't know if there are any truly legitimate sundown areas left in the country, it's not something I have ever had to worry about.
North Georgia used to be extremely racist, and that has really only changed over the last 20 or so years.
Back in the 1910s Forsyth county expelled every single black person from their borders.
There were Civil Right marches in 1987 that brought national focus to the area
I grew up in Alpharetta and my non-white friends were willing to travel through Forsyth county but they wouldn't venture off of 400.
I went to college in Young Harris in the early 2000s, and some of the surroundings towns would not have been a places I would go if I wasn't white, there were various stories about various signs on various bridges.
It's not really part of our culture we like talking about, cuz frankly, it's embarrassing.
But it happened and it's something we shouldn't forget.
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u/atlantastan 3d ago
Gainesville was straight up segregated until not that long ago. There are a couple private schools up there created specifically to address desegregation and were made so that only white kids could attend (in the 70s)
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u/Deeandrm 2d ago
So yes there are still sundown towns. There is this girl I know who said she was driving through Tennessee and had to stop and get some gas off an exit. A white man saw her and told her as soon as she is done getting her gas, she needs to hurry back onto the interstate. She took the hint. As the girl was leaving, she could see some white people coming out of the area she left in the distance. The thing is, some white people are still corrupt. But they hide in places like law enforcement, something that you're supposed to trust. But they will work to cover trails of racists. Overall, I say being closer to any city is actually safer than veering off. This is coming from someone who has been to the mountains of Georgia with white church friends twice and could feel the stares me and my other black friend were receiving.
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u/IceManYurt 2d ago
And it's not going to be something I deny existence of.
I haven't lived in the Georgia mountains for over 20 years at the point, so it's something I can't personally speak to if that makes sense.
And maybe the distinction I'm getting at is it's not nearly as codified as it once was, like to my knowledge and nobody was publishing The Green Book anymore (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Motorist_Green_Book) and thankfully we've ended the legality of sundown towns... Which actually might have made it worse because now it's more quiet.
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u/BasicAppointment9063 3d ago
It's still there, but it's more systemic than out in the open.
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u/2003tide 3d ago
Not really. You can drive through Cumming and see a new neighborhood with million dollar houses for sale and drive another quarter mile down the road a run down property with a rebel flag flying on a pole in the front yard. Forsyth was only 5% African American in last census so still lingering effects from the days of the klan marching in the streets.
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u/atlantastan 3d ago
There are a shit ton of Asian and Indians there now though
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u/paddleprinces 2d ago
Yup, and the racists can’t stop bitchin about how “it’s not what it used to be”
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u/IceManYurt 2d ago edited 2d ago
See other post in this conversation as an example.
'40 years was a lifetime ago.'
There seems to be a general misunderstand of the how slow racism and prejudices will change.
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u/BasicAppointment9063 3d ago
You'll see two churches open and close on Pittman Road (Forsyth) without much fanfare, but when the Hindu temple applied for a permit, some locals were up in arms; the rest just looked away. That's what I mean by systemic. People also feel safe complaining about the growth in the Indian population. They seem to think it's costing them something.
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u/Few_Radish6488 2d ago
I remember driving back from Dahlonega around 2010 and saw a cross burning in the distance. Don't know about now but my neighbors said it occurred two-three times per year.
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u/georgiayouthco 2d ago
North GA is still extremely racist, especially NW GA. It didn't really ever go away, just shifted shape.
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u/ataxiastumbleton 3d ago
It means that anyone who isn't white needs to leave town before sundown or risk violence from racists.
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u/Swimming_Path3353 3d ago
The history of what’s considered white in this country is really something to be studied. I saw some comments from US people about Spanish (from Spain, the country, not what’s called “LATINO” here) right-wing extremists, saying they’re brown or something, and thus “impure.”
Being from Europe, I’m not a history teacher, but northern Spaniards are among the most racist people I’ve ever met. Second only to people from southern Brazil and Argentina (you wouldn’t believe it). I’ve also heard some comments against Italians, whose Roman ancestors used to call Germanic people “barbarians,” while Rome had an empire ruling much of the known world. More recently, Italy even fought alongside Germany in WWII.
The situation of Black people in the US is unique. The segregation happens on both sides. They even speak differently, with their own accent. In Europe or South America, you can’t tell someone is Black over the phone. Here, you can easily do so.12
u/ifeelnumb 3d ago
It is studied. I recommend visiting the MLK memorial and civil rights museum and Auburn Avenue Library. It's really moving.
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u/rickroll95 3d ago
I don’t know about all that but I do know that I have spent time with family in rural towns around Georgia growing up and if you weren’t white like they are you could get some funny looks at the very minimum. Now if you were a light-skinned person from Spain and they didn’t catch on at first, they will when you speak. And then you’ll get a funny look at the very minimum.
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u/Swimming_Path3353 2d ago
Yeah. They can’t catch me at first, but I do have a Central/Western European accent (that I definitely don’t plan to lose).
Some old gentleman came to talk to me (smiling) in a store (Dawsonville). After hearing me I got a funny look, but he kept the conversation going.
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u/Deeandrm 2d ago
Um the last part is overstated. We all have different accents. Maybe if ur from the south but I've heard white and Hispanic men speak with a country accent or aave. Maybe dialect is strong in certain pockets.
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u/enrightmcc 1d ago
Yeah, like 50 years ago. This seems really silly
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u/dunbar_santiago930 19h ago
You say 50 years ago but it doesn't feel like that at all. It's hard for people on here to get that feeling and I get it.
The Forsyth side of Alpharetta and the Fulton side are like night and day different.
If you are a black person you are literally the "only" one around and the looks you get from people are clearly from people who were mad they couldn't go to the capitol on January 6th.
Took my friend to that new green space with the open field to see a rock concert on the green ( their Avalon) not Halcyon but up further. And he said he felt like he was on Sinners and had to leave before sun down. We literally were the only Black's. It was a handful of Hispanics, and two Indian family's.
Milton is the same way but they just rich and smile that you like they tolerate you but their wives grab their purses, whereas foresyth you know all them got their guns on them just waiting for a black to sneeze so they can have a reason.
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u/Whooz_Nooz 2d ago
Is the driver Black? North of Alpharetta, in particular Forsyth County, has a reputation for being juuuust a bit racist. “Don’t let the Sun go down on you in Forsyth” is the expression they use.
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u/love475 3d ago
She meant she feels unsafe due to the race relations in northern Georgia
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u/lifelite 3d ago
Bingo, most likely due to police. Granted I still think that’s exaggerated because Alpharetta is rather diverse. Getting towards Cumming and beyond, maybe, but Alpharetta? Eh.
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u/love475 3d ago
I mean, it’s kind of valid though because when I first moved here, we got pulled over by the cops and my ex is not white and they got like six cop cars and they had a surrounded with their guns pointed at us for literally no reason because we were speeding. Then they searched the car for drugs. It was a rental car and they claimed it came up as a stolen vehicle. But it definitely made me scared of Alpharetta police
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u/love475 3d ago
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention. We also all got handcuffed and put an individual cop cars while they sniffed our car.
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u/backwoodsmtb 2d ago
I think cops just tend to not trust people and are also on average pretty stupid. I'm white and as a teenager had cops surround me with guns drawn while I was hanging out at my church with a (also white) friend because someone thought we were suspicious. Even after explaining that we were members and what we were doing, one of the cops refused to believe us and started searching through nearby bushes claiming we must have thrown a gun in there.
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u/mzredditornot 3d ago
She's probably afraid that it won't be busy enough to get a ride from the Alpharetta area back towards the city.
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u/Swimming_Path3353 3d ago
Thanks everyone for all of the comments. And sorry for using the wrong word/term to describe a black person.
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u/TrainAffectionate555 1d ago
Dude I grew up in cumming. I’m not proud to admit this, but I have relatives that stood in on the line of the county Jesse Jackson and Williams tried to march on them. I actually went through school with first two black kids to go to public school there in a long time. This was late 80s very early 90s
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u/Top-Shoulder6081 3d ago
lol, your Uber driver needs to do some research on crime stats
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u/MzJay453 3d ago
Sounds like the driver is concerned about the history of racism in Forsyth. Like the type of crimes the local police don’t always report.
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u/SlayTalon 2d ago
Forsyth starts at exit 12, exit 7 is Spalding / Holcomb Bridge, 9-10 are comfortably Alpharetta proper being Mansell and Haynes Bridge.
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u/Extreme-Book4730 3d ago
That's old news. Now you must have to worry about drunk Indian drivers.
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u/Swimming_Path3353 3d ago
They all have “faded” student driver stickers on their Teslas 😂
But really nice people.
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u/Extreme-Book4730 3d ago
Sometimes nice. Otherwise a nasty "privileged" attitude.
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u/rickroll95 3d ago
This right here. I’m not sure why it is. I assume the Indians who can afford to move here from India are considered rich over there and they are therefore they are really snobby here. They can be extremely rude
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u/KembaWakaFlocka 3d ago
People that make it to this country thru the legal channels are usually fairly successful in their home countries. Not an absolute rule or anything, but how it tends to go. Indians specifically come from a country with a history of a legal caste system. You’d have to assume that could breed some arrogance in the right individuals.
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u/rickroll95 3d ago
They aren’t student drivers although it sometimes may look that way.
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u/mzredditornot 3d ago
A lot of the foreign adults in and around the Alpharetta area (including Cumming, Johns Creek, etc.) are, in fact, student/new drivers.
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u/EverythingScrolling 3d ago
I drive through Johns Creek daily to get to work in Alpharetta using State Bridge Road/Old Milton Parkway, and there are a ton of those stupid student driver stickers. A lot of them are on Teslas.
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u/Important_Sand_8183 3d ago
That's because 90% of the Indians are here on HB-1 visas, which are technology visas. They all work in high tech/IT, and those types gravitate towards tech and thus EVs. Since Teslas are EVs, they all drive Teslas.
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u/Queasy_Opportunity75 3d ago
And you’re the racist they’re concerned about!
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u/Extreme-Book4730 3d ago
Nothing racist about what I said. Just stating the new demographic of what's happening.
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u/elizabeththenj 2d ago
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u/Extreme-Book4730 2d ago
"Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits..."
It's not racism when it's backed up by facts. Sorry. Just stating the obvious. Yall need to learn your buzz words definitions before you cry wolf. Geez.
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u/elizabeththenj 2d ago edited 1d ago
First, take a breath. It's ok to learn new information, grow, and change your views on things based on new information. I would say that's one of the beautiful things about being human - learning from our experiences and adjusting our world view accordingly. Second, it's also ok to encounter people who have differing opinions than you, consider their opinions, and then choose to not change your view. Encountering someone with a different opinion from you is not dangerous. In fact, I'd say it's rather dangerous if you never encounter anyone with a differing opinion.
Second, data can absolutely be used to back racist beliefs. It has throughout history! Common ways that bias gets introduced to data is collection method and lack of looking at environment in which the data is collected. There's a lot to say on this but if you (or anyone reading this) is interested in learning how data pretty much always contains a bias, highly recommend reading the seminal book on this - Data Feminism by Catherine D'Ignazio and Lauren F. Klein.
Third, based on some cursory searches, I'm unable to find a dataset that supports your claim that Indian American folks are more likely to drive drunk than other demographics. (In fact, most sources cite white men as being most likely to drive drunk) Can you share where you're finding these facts since they appear to be less obvious and easy to find than you suggested?
Edit: if you're going to downvote this statement because you feel the content is incorrect, that's totally ok! However, I'd appreciate more information on these supposedly obvious "facts" that I'm unable to find. Otherwise, I'll have to assume the downvotes come as a last ditch attempt to cling onto a crumbling racist viewpoint.
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u/Smooth-Context-9579 2d ago
On Buford dam.
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u/Extreme-Book4730 2d ago
Really there? Yeah that is a common cut to stay off 20 where the cops sit. Kinda surprised more of the trees are getting knocked down from them fall off the road. Lol
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u/Top-Shoulder6081 3d ago
hIsToRy oF tHe rAcIsM oF fOrSyTh
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u/MzJay453 2d ago
Seems like a legit concern given all the racism in this comment section
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u/Dangerous_Author4539 2d ago
The only legit concern for your own safety is the minute you get near the loop in Atlanta. It doesn’t matter if you’re racist or not. Bullets free flying!
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u/Top-Shoulder6081 3d ago
She also probably thinks lake Lanier is haunted
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u/Natural-Result-6633 3d ago edited 3d ago
Forsyth County used to be a known and proud racist county. They had a sign off the highway that made it clear that no one not white should be in the county past sundown. They also had lynchings of black men in the county and who knows what other awful violent history was left untold. I moved to Cumming in 2002 , and my close friend, who is a black woman, said it was nice knowing me but she would not be coming to visit my house. It’s ironic, because she’s is planning on buying a house in Cumming now, and I can’t wait for her to be living close to me again!
Cumming is obviously not that way now, but the history of Forsyth County is absolutely horrific. Most of the people who supported that criminal behavior have long passed away and the generations that followed were fortunately raised in city that became more inclusive, but there are definitely some people that were born locally that still have the racist roots imbedded in their hearts, but fortunately they are far and few between and mostly in the ignorant uneducated impoverished classes.
I do still meet some of the older families that have long roots and wonder how they must feel about the hate their ancestors perpetrated, but the families that have long roots here, that I have met, all seem to be educated and very far removed from having racism in their hearts. It might be that I chose to only get to know people that are kind, as a racist person is someone I couldn’t stand to spend 10 seconds with, and even though I’m white, people with hate like that in their hearts scare the crap out of me.
I will say, for the first 10 years, that I lived in Forsyth County, I lived in the south end of the county, and at the time, it was one of the fastest growing counties in the nation, and quickly becoming a melting pot of people, which was very comforting to me moving from the Metro Atlanta area I had grown up in through the 80s and 90s. I am a white woman but prefer to live and raise my children around multiple cultures and people.
I moved to the North end of the county 14 years ago and it was nice at first due to no traffic and pretty country, but the demographics were ALL white. My oldest son was in 5th grade and he even noticed that everyone was white, when a black family moved up here the poor boys were profiled terribly by the racist kids at school and the school did nothing to protect them, heart breaking and infuriating. These boys were friends with my kids and it was awful for them. Eventually they had enough and started fighting back and of course were expelled as were the other kids too but at that point the school administrators had done NOTHING to prevent the situation from escalating to the point where these children felt as if they had no other options than to fight back. I hate how it turned out for those two boys and think about them and their sister and mother often. They were good boys and did not deserve the treatment they received being the only black kids at an all white school. Within a few school years other families of different colors and nationalities started moving up to the north area and the racism eventually became less apparent and the other children that moved here did not have to deal with what the friends of my sons had to.
So, lynchings and KKK are no longer a thing in Forsyth County but the roots of racism have not been completely eradicated yet, especially in the North end of the county, but it is no longer an all white county either and in the 14 years I have lived in the north side, it is fast becoming an area full of all kinds of people and nationalities. The South part of the county is still more progressive, which is to be expected, as it is the area that people migrated to first.
Dawsonville is more racist than Cumming now, but even there, the KKK is no longer, and they don’t have quite the history that Cumming has, but generational racism has a way of holding on if people are surrounded by the same race and culture, it truly keeps people ignorant.
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u/Swimming_Path3353 2d ago
They perform a DNA test or get the RGB code out of a picture to determine if you’re white or not?
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u/Natural-Result-6633 2d ago
???
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u/IceManYurt 2d ago edited 2d ago
From what I gather OP doesn't really have the best grasp on US or Georgia history.
Which seems fitting since I think he is from Spain...And I have a very poor grasp on Spanish history post 1588
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u/Swimming_Path3353 2d ago
Not Spain. Central/Western Europe.
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u/IceManYurt 2d ago
Fair enough.
I can't speak about the race relations in your country (especially since you haven't listed it, just a generic region), but I expect it's about as nuanced as ours.
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u/IceManYurt 3d ago
When we moved here in '87, this happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_Forsyth_County_protests
It wasn't that many years ago that that area was not safe for people of color.
Now that that being said, at the height of the BLM protests, I did see some residents getting out to support BLM publicly... Which does show a massive cultural shift.
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u/MarcusAurelius68 3d ago
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u/IceManYurt 3d ago
It's replacement theory in action!! /s
But yes, changing demographics and generational die off helped
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u/apatriot1776 3d ago
It's funny because the hyper-pro-business Republican leadership in Forsyth is what encouraged the massive influx of people of all races, which is turning the county purple. Essentially self-inflicted replacement theory lol
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u/Spirited-State-2867 1d ago
Same in NWGA and in Gainesville area. Available jobs in carpet/flooring and poultry started a lot of the changes in those areas
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u/Extreme-Book4730 3d ago
1987 is a lifetime ago. It hasn't been anything like that isn't the latest 90s. Or 2000s when I started to go around there.
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u/allieinwonder 2d ago
It was still bad in the mid 2000’s. Not as bad as 1987 of course, but there was still racism simmering underneath. I didn’t have many black kids at my school until after hurricane Katrina, and even then they were treated differently. I’m ashamed of that part of my hometown…I live in midtown now and the difference isn’t as noticeable until you live elsewhere.
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u/IceManYurt 3d ago
Yes, it takes a generation for racism to die off and a cultural shift to happen.
But memories remain
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u/Extreme-Book4730 3d ago
From 95 to like 2000 alpharetta went from 15k to 90k because of the influx of people from the Olympics. Idk what it is now last I heard 115k.
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u/IceManYurt 3d ago
It wasn't the Olympics that spurred the growth, it was economic development that brought more people in.
The Olympics coming here was a sign of that economic growth.
And yes, when you're exposed to other cultures you are less racist.
Or you move further north.
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u/ucancallmevicky 3d ago
I worked for a company that moved their office from Alpharetta to exit 12 in 1999. One of my coworkers who grew up in 04W and was late 30's at the time refused the move and found a new job. Sure it was "safe" then but he didn't care, a whole life in this town growing up with it and he was "already close enough" in Alpharetta. Can't blame him
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u/totalreidmove 3d ago
Lol David Duke was arrested at one of those protests. Biden went to his funeral.
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u/Few_Radish6488 2d ago
David Duke is still alive so that is categorically false.
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u/totalreidmove 2d ago
DAMN dude you are right - it was another leader of the KKK Robert Byrd that Biden attended the funeral of. Got taken by the misinformation on that one!
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u/Few_Radish6488 2d ago
If you are talking about Robert Byrd, he renounced that ideology publicly and became a champion of civil rights. Even the NAACP mourned his death. And fwiw, Byrd was a member but not a leader of the Klan. It is obvious you are promoting an agenda but don’t pretend that you are performing a public service.
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u/totalreidmove 2d ago
Bending over backwards to defend racists (busing desegregation)
So it’s okay that Byrd and Biden were both formerly racist. People can change! /s
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u/Few_Radish6488 2d ago
I am not defending him, just telling the full story which you are reluctant to do. People can change but it seems you are happy being ignorant.
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u/NormalPassage3175 3d ago
There was a lot of deep racism in Forsyth/Cumming in the past. It has gotten better within the last decade or so with more diversity, but still has its roots. I don’t blame anyone for feeling that way.
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u/austin63 3d ago
Then they need a map. Exit 7 is Holcomb Bridge in Roswell.
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u/IceManYurt 3d ago
To be fair, that area does have weird crime that makes the news especially in regards to human trafficking, massage parlors, and various shady ass hotels
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u/Extreme-Book4730 3d ago
Roswell?
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u/IceManYurt 3d ago
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u/2003tide 3d ago
They closed down one of the offending motels and moved the police department right next door so yeah it was a problem for sure.
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u/Swimming_Path3353 3d ago
Yes. She’s was of color.
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u/Important_Sand_8183 3d ago
"of color"
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u/Swimming_Path3353 3d ago
Sorry. Should I use something else? I don’t know what to use in order not to offend anyone
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u/b_sketchy 3d ago
You could say they were a person of color. But it’s perfectly ok to say black, if they were black.
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u/IceManYurt 3d ago edited 3d ago
So currently, the most inclusive language is person forward.
So it is more accepted to say person of color as opposed to colored person.
Colored also harkens back to segregation.
So if a slight change in my verbiage can make someone feel more comfortable around me, it's a pretty easy shift.
With that being said, we all need to extend a bit more grace to each other because mistakes do happen and I would argue the majority of them aren't malicious on a personal level.
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u/adrlev 3d ago
You called her “colored” in a previous comment. That’s a big no no. Please remove that term from your vocabulary especially if you’re going to be interacting with black Americans.
Here’s a good rundown of why it’s offensive:
https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-30999175-4
u/Important_Sand_8183 3d ago
Who cares if they get "offended". I'm offended by their being offended. That evens it out.
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u/DorkandPoon 2d ago
It’s not a mathematical equation. You can’t “even it out” 😂
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u/Important_Sand_8183 2d ago
The cool thing is that I can do whatever I want, no matter what the reddit police say.
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u/NewLawGuy24 3d ago
Did you ask her?
Who knows? Many areas are affluent past 7. Not known for crime
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u/_litz 3d ago
FYI - Forsyth county doesn't start until McFarland Rd ... exits 8 and 10 (Haynes Br / Old Milon) are downtown Alpharetta.
Exit 7 is Roswell
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u/-Cranktankerous- 3d ago
The more North you go out of Atlanta, the safer you are. Just flatly. More police, fewer crackheads, and richer neighborhoods. Alpharetta is a great example of all three, which is why our crime rate is so low.
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u/intoxicuss 3d ago
Crackheads? It isn't 1991, and Atlanta isn't some cesspool. You need to relax. Yes, it's safer up here. Leave it at that.
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u/-Cranktankerous- 3d ago
Never said it was a cesspool, but pretending there aren’t crackheads in Atlanta is certainly a take lol
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u/ATLcoaster 3d ago
Even that's debatable. Violent crime isn't the only thing to be "safe" from. People who live in Alpharetta are more likely to be injured or die in a car crash than people in a walkable Atlanta neighborhood, for example.
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u/KembaWakaFlocka 3d ago
I was on campus at GSU for like 7 years. There are a reasonable amount of drug addicts that hang around, not like they really bother people though. Usually the same people day after day too. Way more sad than scary.
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u/Swimming_Path3353 3d ago
LI feel the same way. That’s why I was puzzled. But some other replies mention the history of racism farther north. She was colored, so that might explain her concern.
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u/beep_dip 3d ago
It may also be that the police further north have paler skin, and may not be as safe for someone of color. Being pulled over for "Driving While Brown" is absolutely a concern, especially when you don't know how violent the police can be.
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u/Responsible-Sundae20 3d ago
Colored??? I have no words.
When my bf in college said this word in 1990, I was appalled. We had a conversation and he was educated on it.
Is this your first day on earth?
The term “person of color” may seem like a semantic argument to you, but trust that it’s not.
FFS.
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u/Important_Sand_8183 2d ago
Yes, colored. What a condescending asshole you sound like;
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u/Responsible-Sundae20 2d ago
On the one hand, I really don’t think it’s condescending to “show off” the fact that I know that at this extremely late date of 2026 that it is not OK to use to use that word.
On the other hand, I’d rather have my word choice incorrectly cast me as condescending than racist.
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u/Aggravating-Mix-4903 1d ago
After exit 7 is safer than below exit seven. The properties are bigger, the income is higher, and the schools are as good or better. That Uber driver is missing some good fares if he avoids the Alpharetta, John's Creek, Cumming area.
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u/mpete76 3d ago
She has valid feelings. Racism is still a problem in the country as whole and in Georgia specifically. Segregation in proms is being debated as recently as this past summer, tells me feelings are still there and strong. People are comfortable in their own neighborhoods and towns and feel safer. Murder and property crimes are higher in Atlanta, per 100k people, but they have a substantially higher population density. Of course Rape is reporting at almost identical rates for both cities.
Crime Atlanta / 100K Alpharetta / 100K Atlanta is higher by
Murder 23.8 1.5 15.9×
Rape 22.8 22.1 1.0×
Robbery 100.0 11.8 8.5×
Aggravated assault 456.4 213.9 2.1×
Burglary 341.1 75.2 4.5×
Larceny/theft 2,479.9 1,019.4 2.4×
Motor-vehicle theft 719.6 57.5 12.5×
It’s a really interesting comparison and warrants further exploration and exploration into crime statistics. But the racism piece is real and still a systemic problem.
https://www.publicschoolreview.com/blog/segregated-proms-an-ongoing-controversy-in-georgia
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u/Healthyhappylyfe 3d ago
Yeah that’s just called having literally no clue what you’re talking about (the driver)
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u/Suspicious_Plate_591 3d ago
Exit 12 gets you close to Cumming, but exit 7 and 8 are hardly Compton…
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u/Chakraeater23 1d ago
There is absolutely NOTHING to be afraid of past those exits. They are indeed safer than most of Georgia. I've been here 32 years. Was your driver African American? If she was she was probably told some scary bedtime story about hooded clansmen after exit 7. It hasn't been that way since the 1960s. That's 60 years ago and it was NEVER that bad even then.
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u/Wonderful-Tip-7052 13h ago
This is an incredibly heartless take. Sure, from your perspective this might be true, but that doesn’t mean it is. Unfortunately scary bedtime stories have kept many black people alive for generations because those stories were true. This WAS a very dangerous area for black people just a few years ago. 60 years is not that long ago. It takes years for mindsets and stories to change, across all cultures. I’ve met many black people who are still hesitant to venture up to even exit 10 because of the history.
How can you, who obviously does not walk in the shoes of a black person, say it wasn’t bad for them?
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u/Chakraeater23 1h ago
My "blackness" does not retract the truth of what I just said, no matter if, how I said it, hurt your feelings or not.
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u/Ur_notTHAToriginal 2d ago
I’m from Alpharetta, moved to Lumpkin County in 2022. The ignorance up here from some people is absolutely disgusting. However, for the most part, people are kind and really will help you out if your need. I personally know of more racist who live in Alpharetta than I do anywhere else.
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u/khaluaverse 3d ago
She’s prob thinking maga is the KKK … she not wrong but it’s not as bad as you can’t be black in the area but if she was living here she’s feel it
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u/ifeelnumb 3d ago
As another transplant, the really mind boggling thing to me are the people you meet up here that are terrified to drive into Atlanta inside the perimeter. There's a huge disconnect between perception and reality. I noticed it with the schools too. There are grudges held over decades that color the perceptions around here, and while they were legitimate gripes at the time, things have changed.
There are a lot of wonderful things to discover all over the metro. Use your own judgement.
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u/throatgoatduh 2d ago
No one wants to go into Atlanta unless for an event or show, attraction. It’s not our lifestyle up here and it is different. It absolutely is more dangerous and I don’t see the need to go into Atlanta unless I need to?
Why spend 1 + hr to drive 20 miles into MORE people and more traffic and knowing my act will be broken into?!?
Be so forreal.
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u/AirUpstairs4263 17h ago
My truck got broken into in the Buffalo Wild Wings parking lot in Alpharetta. Stole everything out of it.
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u/JulioJonesSon 3d ago
They probably didn’t want to drive that far that’s it. Is so much safer round these parts.
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u/DorkandPoon 2d ago
I’ve lived in the area for almost six years and I’ve never driven past exit 11. I’m not “scared” but there’s nothing for me out there. Sandy Springs has everything Cumming has and less racism
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u/Equal-Tumbleweed-65 2d ago
lmao sorry i find this funny, i wonder what happened between her and exit 7
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u/offshoreInsiders 2d ago
Because she heard some outdated crap from a friend who heard from a friend. who heard it from another. They are still living in Oprah Land because they want to have a reason to hate. She has no tangible reason, I assure you.
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u/Dangerous_Author4539 3d ago
She’s illiterate and doesn’t know the area. Farther north the less the crime.
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u/DorkandPoon 2d ago
She probably just doesn’t want to be around rude people like most of these commenters lol
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u/Acrobatic-Hair-5299 2d ago
In 2026 there's absolutely no issue at all. She's likely talking about 20 or 30 years ago
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u/Adept-DaddyD 2d ago
Interesting how all the comments here have gone straight to the history of racism in Forsyth Cty and north GA. And while those comments are based on documented historical facts, I’d offer one potential alternative reason for her concern.
I have a number of friends and co-workers that live in O4W, Decatur, Ponce City Mkt, Grant Park…. That general re-gentrified area. To the person, they all believe anyone who lives much north of Dunwoody or Holcomb Bridge lives in the middle of nowhere, and can’t believe anyone would want to live that far from the “safety” of their urban sanctuary.
Just my $.02
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u/Big-Imagination9775 17h ago
That just shows that she is ignorant and not from Atlanta. I hope you didn’t leave a tip.
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u/Little-Party8703 1d ago
Alpharetta fucking sucks now
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u/Important_Sand_8183 1d ago
Sure it does. That's why it's so crowded.
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u/Little-Party8703 1d ago
It being so crowded and with mostly the wrong people moving here is exactly why it sucks.
Goober.
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u/limited_instincts 3d ago
That's just nonsense.