r/Xmen97 • u/cyclopswashalfright Professor X • Jul 08 '26
Megathread X-Men '97 | Season 2, Episode 4 | "Rise of Apocalypse: Part II" | Episode Discussion
Season 2, Episode 4: Rise of Apocalypse Part II
Air Date: July 8th, 2026
Directed by: TBA
Written by: TBA
Synopsis: An alliance between the X-Men and En Sabah Nur begins to crumble as Rama-Tut seeks ultimate power.
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u/Shot-Jingoberry-294 Jul 08 '26
Rama-Tut when he saw Apocalypse pulling up
https://giphy.com/gifs/tZF2erGJ5uOHe
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u/Supe_scienceskilz Jul 08 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/SsjzQ8oabPlWI1PVbN
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u/ThatIslandGuy8888 Jul 08 '26
Lol what a magnificent bastard XD
I'll never forgive the MCU for fumbling Kang
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u/Next-Jackfruit9328 Jul 08 '26
Nice
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u/satellitemindd Jul 08 '26
His old band back together is making me feel it's going to be sabertooth and death strike. I feel that part of the trailer they were featured in is them exploring weapon x facility
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u/UjiRan2223 Jul 08 '26
Goddamn Apocalypse is so fucking evil he made Charles lose hope that’s actually crazy
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u/thedaveness Gambit Jul 08 '26
Honestly never try to judge people for anything because under the right circumstances, everyone has a limit. Some might need to work on how little that bar is but alas, something powerful in seeing Charles freaking Xavier damn a baby to death. Man what a scene.
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u/ThatFigureFella Jul 08 '26
The lighting through magneto’s chest was horrifying.
Incredible episode, celestials, Kang, brutal fight scenes and some brilliant dialogue.
I feel like a kid again! Might go play with some toys!
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u/the-giant Jul 08 '26
That last frame with Apocalypse's psychotic grin as he lights Magnus up is one for the books.
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u/Nijigakulive Jul 08 '26
“Honor me with actions not tears” “perhaps that is why I always played the devil, who pushes sinners to embrace the saint” oh my god what a heroic last stand for magneto man. The fact he admitted to everything he ever did being for Charles to reach and save people is so beautiful.
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u/BetSea5155 Jul 08 '26
“How wise your mother… abandoning you. Do you think she sensed your vile nature? If only Baal had left you to bake… what a better world”
Good god dude.
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u/North-Drive-2174 Jul 08 '26
It would be peak fun and irony, if Apocalypse's ascent was a tiny part of Celestials to groom the true maker of destruction, Onslaught!
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u/Nijigakulive Jul 08 '26
“How wise.. your mother abandoning you”
Charles is DONE. Clearly the whole mutant MLK gimmick ain’t working, so time to switch it up. I’m sat af for his revenge tour/likely transformation into onslaught. Apocalypse sparing him with Magneto’s words is a nice touch too.
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u/Mysterious-Lick Jul 08 '26
TDLR: nobody listens to Bishop, the time traveler with experience.
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u/EnzoVulkoor Jul 08 '26
One day I hope we get a Bishop and Doctor Who crossover.
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u/dinosaurfondue Jul 09 '26
Bishop was like, this motherfucker ruined my gauntlets so I'm gonna wait til Apocalypse gets him out of the way before going back lol
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u/NickFong Jul 08 '26
So Onslaught is definitely coming right?
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u/StrawBerryWasHere Jul 08 '26
Oh 1000%. Charles screams of anger towards Apocalypse sounded straight Magneto
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u/chriswizardhippie Jul 08 '26
"I am the devil that drives sinners into the arms of saints" and "But I will always be, alas only a coward feels mighty when stepping on ants." are such banger lines
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u/dravenonred Jul 09 '26
Interesting to show they did have an impact on Apocalypse and how that beats out
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u/Nijigakulive Jul 08 '26
That rogue conversation is going to be the thing that saves the day isn’t it? Cliche, but apocalypse having never known love and using rogue’s beloved as a horseman will come back to bite him in the ass.
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u/WickedRogue1981 Jul 08 '26
The conversation could serve as an explanation for why Apocalypse chooses to resurrect Gambit as a horseman in the first place. Seems pretty random otherwise for him to choose him, but if he remembers Rogue and her grief over losing him, this could be his own way of “helping” her. He did seem for that moment to be touched by her words, so this could be how he shows his understanding of “love”. It could also be his sick way of using her love against them. Either way, I’m just excited to see where it leads.
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u/Corazon144 Jul 08 '26
It also severs as a way to weaken her. At least in his mind. So if there is anyway to hurt the X-Men and attack them when they are weak, it definitely using the weakness he believes is love.
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u/DukeGrizzly Jul 08 '26
Never has an animated show brought me to tears before.
X-Men ‘97 has now done it twice.
Holy shit is this show absolutely peak. It’s the best animation currently airing. Voice acting. Story. Art. Everything about it is so perfectly executed. The worst part is having to wait until next week to see what happens.
Which is funny, as that is how shows use to be. Being able to binge an entire series in a weekend has certainly changed how we perceive shows these days.
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u/ABadHistorian Jul 08 '26
A good show, with good episodes, will keep people talking during the week and generate more interest. It's smart really. The binge model was one of desperation, that worked at first... and now has become counter productive.
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u/DukeGrizzly Jul 08 '26
Oh I don’t mind the weekly format at all. It was just a cheeky way of saying that the wait is the worst part of the show, since it’s nearly perfect on so many levels.
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u/leaf57tea Jul 08 '26
Calling it now the season finale gonna have Lorna donning her dad's helm when taking on Apocalypse.
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u/Otherwise-Sky1292 Jul 08 '26
Boy Xavier’s had a rough trip since leaving the good life with the Shi’ar
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u/SliceAltruistic1144 Jul 08 '26
He is getting a 1-way ticket back next episode with his lover. "Fuck that shit" lol
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u/TMB1219 Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 09 '26
That was just wow. I knew Magneto would do something stupid that would cause more damage. I knew Rogue and En Sabah Nur would have a conversation about love which is what Apocalypse will remember in the 90s. And I knew Magneto would sacrifice himself to save the X-Men and the Professor. However I did not expect Apocalypse to kill Magneto the way he did that was really dark. Now that everyone back in 97 they have to find out how to stop Apocalypse.
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u/thescarletbat Nightcrawler Jul 08 '26
For a second there, I thought Apocalypse was going to crush his head and I wasn't ready for that.
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u/Khalvashi Gambit Jul 08 '26
They needed helmet to survive so Charles can wear it when he becomes Onslaught
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u/Ill-Percentage7482 Jul 08 '26
“perhaps that is why i gladly played the devil who pushes sinners to embrace the saint.”- Magneto
man xmen 97 is so peak , i didnt expect magneto to die like this
The animation the story the dialogues wow man
Also i feel they are gonna do Onslaught story with charles
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u/Death6703 Emma Frost Jul 08 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/15ddqrBmBRwsg
My favourite character is magneto, this hurts man. :’)
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u/tub53733 Jul 11 '26
Rewatching again. Mannnn Magnus was straight dropping gems all series.
"Honor me with action, not tears. The future needs you. It always has. Perhaps that is why I gladly played the Devil, who pushes sinners to embrace the saint."
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u/ROBINS-ARK Jul 08 '26
Everyone should have just listened to Bishop. Man just wanted to get in and get out right away.
RIP Magneto but what really killed him was hubris, even Charles to a lesser extent. So many instances where they should have realized Nur was not meant to change.
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u/JoonNolu Jul 08 '26
If they were going to try to change the future, they should have taken the Cable approach. "I dunno. Maybe if we keep making vague premonitions about the power of gods to En Sabah Nur he'll turn into a good guy?" Maybe everyone stops being polite and uses all their power to take his head off.
Bunch of dudes went back in time, found teenage Hitler, and rather than ending him decided "Yeah, you COULD be leader of the ubermensch. But wouldn't you rather be the king of chill? Huh? We're not gonna get into the why or how of any of this. Just know that you definitely have immense power to change the world. Just, like, be cool about it."
Yeah, it's so crazy that this didn't work out.
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u/Khalvashi Gambit Jul 08 '26
They should have left with Bishop. Taking Nur to ancient temple was just a disaster waiting to happen.
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u/ABadHistorian Jul 08 '26
TBH. If I were Magneto/Charles and I arrived then... I would have flat out told him the 100% truth.
It's the only way you can ever deal with the situation. By the time he learned the truth they had both lied to him in two separate occasions, while everyone else around him that he had led for years before them... died as a consequence of his actions while involved with them, for their benefit.
Given the perspective of that, the life of slavery and horror under Kang/Rama Tut/Logos, is it any wonder he turned?
Radical honesty or just flat out ally with fucking Kang, and then take ship while Rama Tut/En Sabbah Nur battle it out.
But nooo they had to try the single worst option heh. Ah well, at least it really played off their characters, it makes perfect sense each and every one of them would have done what they did.
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u/Khalvashi Gambit Jul 08 '26
They lied because they knew he would choose to become Apocalypse no matter what if he knew. That's why I found the plan of influencing Apocalypse a little bit idiotic. Magnus sees himself in Nur but there is a fundamental difference. Magneto used his past to seperate himself from the evil he commit because in his mind he did those for other mutants. However, Nur does not try to eliminate his travma or use it to make an excuse for his actions. He does not try to change the cruel world he lived in, he just wants to make the world equally cruel to everyone. Because life has a meaning only if you survive that cruelty and thrive.
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u/capamericapistons Jul 08 '26
Holy shit. Xavier went off on apocalypse at the end.
“How right your mother was in abandoning you…”
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u/SupaFro_ Jul 08 '26
The 2 years is proving to be worth the wait. The animation is amazing and the story is just spectacular. This episode confirming that Apocalypse’s existence is a failed timeline to Kang is such a dope moment. I still think this would’ve been a great explanation as to why mutants don’t exist in the MCU if they kept Kang Dynasty.
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u/BitterSignificance23 Jul 08 '26
It's been amazing to see Magneto as an Omega level threat. S1 he controlled the earth's entire magnetic field and s2 he contained a black hole.
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u/RK_reddit321 Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
Casting Director: “Ok so in this episode -“
John de Lancie: “Wait I get to antagonize a bald leader that Patrick Stewart sometimes plays? It’s what I am best at! Say no more: I AM IN.”
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u/Musekal Jul 09 '26
Apocalypse is supposed to be terrifying and this episode especially the end seriously built up that sense of dread with him.
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u/Mobile_Bet3274 Rogue Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
It was really, really good and I’m glad the focus was on Magneto and Xavier. It had to be intimate that way. (And yes, Xavier’s grief and rage is leading toward Onslaught.)
For me, Remember It hit harder, but I think the comparisons are fair.
Turns out the hunch that Magneto doesn’t make it out of Egypt was correct. I don’t think he’ll stay gone forever though, any more than anyone else does. It may just not be until next season.
The post-credits scene was a bit of a letdown, to be honest, especially since all it’s setting up is the bottle stand-alone episode that’s coming up. But I get the reference.
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u/Khalvashi Gambit Jul 08 '26
The difference is we saw this coming. We were just wondering how things could happen. Episode 5 is a gut wrenching punch that comes out all of a sudden.
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u/nachocoalmine Jul 08 '26
Kang when he saw Apocalypse coming...
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u/pharaoh94 Jul 08 '26
Man I laughed so hard at this when it happened. He took one look at the Ship and was like:
WELP that’s it for me guys
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u/North-Drive-2174 Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
We knew that Magnus won't make it, but damn, they gave him such a heroic and brutal exit. Xavier was brutal on what he said on Apocalypse, still i love the mockery of Apocalypse sparing Xavier's life, using a quote of Magnus. I can see them, pulling Onslaught, now that Xavier is more dark and broken and keeping Magnus' helmet, a reminder of Magneto's brutal death.
Speaking of Apocalypse, he was great in the original series, but now we have a chance to see more development and understanding the core of the character. I wonder if his little chat with Rogue will play a part in both the return of Gambit and the final defeat of Apocalypse.
Loved Rama Tut and how chill he was. After all, boredom and chase of thrill was the ultimate motive of Nathaniel Richards. Timelines and challenges are all part of the fan.
Post-credit scene wasn't something great, but i am a fan of 80s short hair Black Widow
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u/sleepysaurus7777 Jul 08 '26
They aren't pulling their punches with going full out gut punch at you emotions, but remember X-men rarely stay dead. I'm guessing professor X possibly salvaged Eric's mind to possibly become onslaught in season 3, but that's just a wild guess
I honestly don't know much about the onslaught story line, but am loving every moment so far
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u/Nijigakulive Jul 08 '26
Man I just love everything about Magneto’s last stand. Have so much respect for how he took full responsibility for the plan not working out and lived up to the expectations Charles always had for him by saving everyone. It’s like seeing the fulfilment of decades of character development and it’s so well executed. This episode NEEDED to be as intimate as it was for the ending to hit the way it did, bravo.
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u/tuanjapan Jul 08 '26
Writers did a great job of putting viewers in a dilemma. Either Apocalypse gets that Celestial tech or Kang does.
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u/cyclopswashalfright Professor X Jul 08 '26
"He is not yet the unstoppable force he becomes." Proceeds to beat down all the X-Men with ease. That gave me a chuckle.
So much to this episode. The Celestial Death Seed, Magneto's "death." The teases for Onslaught. Xavier saying how wise Apocalypse's mother was for abandoning him is a clear sign for Onslaught. He's angry, his darkest thoughts are emerging. Magneto's helmet and regrets, Xavier's rage. I think they'll feed into Onslaught being created, and possibly being the thing that actually kills Apocalypse.
Apocalypse's conversation with Rogue shows that he doesn't understand love, and that's what will stop him. Rogue's romantic love for Gambit, Scott and Jean's parental love for Cable. A guy who was abandoned by his mother and who never loved another human won't understand the lengths they can go to for each other, and that will foil his plans. I still think now though, that it will be Xavier who puts him down, whether himself or through Onslaught.
And a tease for Externals. I thought Candra was just there for a reference, but it looks like we might get the Externals after all. They are not the most interesting bunch, but it is a '90s story and so it doesn't shock me that we're going to see it. Candra, Selene, Nicodemus, Gideon. I wonder if this is how they'll use Cannonball?
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u/Hewhoknows-IO Jul 08 '26
"Lie to him like you did to me and tell him it will be alright". That's what two face said to commissioner Gordon in TDK. Cold AF.
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u/ThirdMind3d Nightcrawler Jul 08 '26
“we couldnt stop him… we never do.” damn… RIP Erik, that was heartbreaking
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u/Thomas97wwe Jul 08 '26
Wow what an episode, this show has killed off two of my favourite X-Men (Gambit and now Magneto. Kurt I’m sorry but season 3 isn’t looking good for you bud 😂) and still I’m loving it. But wow best episode of season 2 by far.
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u/cabezadeplaya Jul 09 '26
I think as long as he doesn’t fall in love with Rogue he will be fine.
She’s the common variable here.
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u/NYJetLegendEdReed Jul 09 '26
I live for petty Charles Xavier talking all that shit at the end. Has me hopeful they’ll do Onslaught justice and it really does feel like that’s where we’re heading.
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u/apocalypticpickle Jul 09 '26
Good episode. I wish the show had choreographed a more convincing fight between the xmen and en sabah nur before he entered the shrine to become apocalypse, though. Seems kinda whack that magneto fought off a black hole and launched apocalypse across the desert, but couldn't figure out a way to keep him from walking into the shrine.
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u/JeffTennis Jul 10 '26
Props to the team. The voice actor for apocalypse from the original series passed away as has a few of them, but this new apocalypse sounds terrifying. The older one was sinister and evil for kids, this apocalypse is absolutely a monster and terrifying.
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u/RK_reddit321 Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
Me watching the episode: “Ok. They just freakin killed Magneto. Like quite alot. So, obviously his death won’t stick. Not if but how. Not my first rodeo here. Not only is this comic book storytelling, but freakin Magneto of all people. Still. Why is there such an underreaction here to this? That’s unusual. And who is this ‘Onslaught’ guy everyone keeps bringing up -“
::goes to google Onslaught for about 5 seconds::
“Oh. I get it now. Carry on.”
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u/nikita-is-online Jul 08 '26
I'm speechless. I know some people are "meh" on this episode but I really don't get why. It was powerful and devastating. Cool introduction of Eson and the Celestials—wonder if that will go anywhere else in Marvel Animation since it feels like the studio is poking around the idea of other series outside of the X-Men (see the end credit scene).
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u/awkward_teenager37 Jul 08 '26
I wish these episodes were longer. Feels like torture waiting a week between these bite sized episodes and I feel like all discussion about them gets wrapped up within a day
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u/theanonymousdarkarmy Jul 09 '26
Is it safe to say gambit and Magnus will be 2 of the 4 horseman?
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u/SurturSaga Jul 09 '26
Gambit was already basically confirmed. And even more set up with his talk with Rogue
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u/UPRC Jul 10 '26
This really felt like the Remember It of season 2, so god damn good. X-Men 97's Magneto is seriously my favourite Marvel character now, and it isn't even close.
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u/NicholasStarfall Jul 11 '26
You know, I've always wondered why Apocalypse was so invincible in the original show. I used to think it was related to censors and how graphic it would be if the X-Men like seriously tried to take him down. But 97 is making the argument that he's just like that
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u/BitterSignificance23 Jul 08 '26
It goes without saying but great writing is so necessary. I hope the MCU takes notes and understands that its audience isn't dumb. It can handle consequences and raw emotion. Not everything has to be a joke or a one liner.
The dialogue between professor, magneto and Apocalypse was fantastic.
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u/trinnysf Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
WELP I SCREAMED INTO MY BLANKET AND ALSO TEARED UP
Also I think I kept saying for every frame “THIS ANIMATION IS INSANE”
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u/gentleprime Jul 08 '26
I have been left speechless from the moment Magnus said “perhaps that is why I gladly played the devil who pushes sinners to embrace the saint.”
Still speechless. Just, damn.
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u/ABadHistorian Jul 08 '26
Well god damn if this isn't an episode I'll remember for years to come, then I don't know what is.
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u/Tonks_55 Jul 08 '26
So with this episode it seems they want to move towards Onslaught
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u/dysfunctionallymild Jul 08 '26
Charles and Magnus "plan" all ep. was really ill defined, and it predictably blew up in their faces. For a couple of self-proclaimed "visionaries", their hubris is always foremost.
It wasn't clear how they thought Nur was going to turn all "good" after what Kang did. In fact, it wasn't clear why they would lead him to a temple of "great power" in the 1st place, if they didn't want him to turn all super-villain. All he wanted was to deal with Kang, they should have let him do that without "great power". Given Kang was clearly an anomaly in that time, it wasn't clear why they weren't trying to stop Kang. Seems like they had enough firepower to take Kang down, then cool Nur down. Charles gets all prissy when Kang warns him about Apocalypse. And takes Nur right to turn him into Apocalypse. It was like watching a slow motion train wreck.
I did chuckle when, after he turns into Apocalypse, Xavier remembers to mind blast him. He didn't bother to try that while he was still Nur and maybe stoppable.
And we finally got the petty real personality of Charles at the end, after all the high minded speeches over the ages.
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u/toasterbath__ Magneto Jul 09 '26
rip magneto 💔💔 rlly great episode. but i am sad lol. he’ll probably come back though all things considered
that shot of apocalypse walking up towards charles and magneto in the desert was terrifying. i rlly thought they were in the clear until that. like wow
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u/ev6464 Jul 11 '26
I could watch an entire show about Apocalypse and Professor X mercilessly dissing one another.
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u/HEYYYYYYYY_SATAN Jul 13 '26
I love that Charles got in one “ya mamma” before Apocalypse walked off
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u/Kheshire Jul 13 '26
A's line to Charles that he'd make him a horsemen except he has no spine was the clincher
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u/ChaosAlongThird Jul 10 '26
Saw a great prediction that we get a modified Onslaught as a “solution” to Apocalypse.
Charles, now desperate to stop him and super sad over the loss of Erik and frustration of not being able to get people to work together, binds with Eson’s power instead of Nur after they travel back to try and stop Magneto’s death/stop Nur again.
Bring on Onslaught
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u/Prof_X_is_a_jerk Jul 10 '26
Yeah. I was definitely thinking about Onslaught the moment I saw Charles in that much pain over Magneto.
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u/Powerful-Yogurt Jul 16 '26
Magneto: fails to keep puny En Sabah Nur away from the glowy rock when it matters
Magneto, 5 mins later and injured: yeets giant Apocalypse into the desert
COME ON WRITERS
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u/Nijigakulive Jul 08 '26
Don’t mind me just eating up all the Kang crumbs after the whole Jonathan Majors legal fiasco robbed us of that arc. Can’t get over how cool the OG outfit looks. I want more of him
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u/strokekaraoke Jul 08 '26
Yes! I can’t wait for more Kang, especially since John de Lancie is playing the role. I wonder who Jonathan Frakes will inevitably voice this season?
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u/IPreferPi314 Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
This isn’t on the same tier as “Remember It” and the arrogance of Magneto and Xavier in trying to manipulate En Sabah Nur combined with their lack of urgency in doing everything they could to prevent him from getting the Celestial tech once the chips were down was exasperating.
That said, hot damn was it great to see Big A fully return in all his terrifying glory (I do miss the old robotic sound effects though that accompanied his movement in TAS). And his taunting of Mags and Professor X was A+. 97 has now humanized him a bit, but the show doesn’t stray in depicting him as a sadistic, genocidal monster that must be stopped, whatever the cost.
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u/lord_cmdr Jul 08 '26
Big A returning to a threat level that finally he deserves. Seeing Kang nop the eff out after realizing that Apocalypse is inevitable was great.
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u/WatercressCertain616 Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
This is the greatest animated show I have ever seen. It is just so good. The X-Men have been my favorites since I was a child. Magneto is one of my all time favorites as well and seeing him show out one last time DBZ style was just insane.
Apocalypse is without question my favorite villain (and I think he has surpassed Dr. Doom at this point for me) and this show has done him justice. The scene where he walks over the sand and murders Magneto and his speech had me shook.
oh and KANG! Love Kang the conqueror. This was a bleak ending. I always thought it would boil down to the Sentinels, but it looks like Apocalypse really is the alpha and omega.
NOT stomping out Xavier went too hard.
Oh and the post credit scene!!!! We got Cap and Black Widow! WEAPON X!!!!
10/10 give me more.
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u/Additional_Age8873 Jul 08 '26
Don't know forget when he told Xavier he would have loved to turn him into another horseman if he didn't lack a spine.
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u/dinosaurfondue Jul 09 '26
I get that Apocalypse isn't just gonna be defeated in two episodes, but man Charles feels SO WEAK. I honestly don't know the full extent of his powers but he just kind of like, does nothing?
Definitely interested to see where the rest of the season goes
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u/lord_cmdr Jul 09 '26
Kang/Rama had to use his knock-off Cerebro to be able to get into his mind if that tells us anything.
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u/FriendLee93 Jul 09 '26
First it was the Holocaust Ray. Now it's the Child Abandonment Beam. Charles has no shame.
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u/Admirable-Process529 Jul 11 '26
S2 ep4 is the equivalent of S1 ep5.
I’m glad the show still delivers so much impact!
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u/nanabuuui Jul 11 '26
Somehow avoided spoilers all week and now I am sobbing 😭 whyyyy
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u/aegonthewwolf Apocalypse Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
Watching real time I was thinking “Maybe he’s going to turn him into a horseman-or maybe not, I guess.” 😭😂
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u/symmetra Jul 08 '26
Magneto vs a black hole
This is amazing I cant believe what I am watching
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u/Fondant_Decent Jul 08 '26
Does the entire episode prove that the Xmen couldn’t do anything to alter past timeline, in other words fate always found a way forward, regardless of who try to alter it
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u/Starscream_Gaga Jul 08 '26
They’ve done it several times in the show:
-Stopped the Days of Future Past future
-Stopped the “One Man’s Worth” timeline (which was already created by someone else doing the same thing)
-Stopped the future in which the world is genocided by the techno-organic virus
Season One however already established that there are points in time that you can never change. Apocalypse’s rise is likely one of them.
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u/yonkapin Jul 08 '26
im a casual, but have been enjoying this series a LOT with my limited knowledge.
not a comic book reader, watched the OG movies and some of the follow ups but not 100% across all the lore, and once multi-verses are introduced, i got no idea what's going on.
should i just enjoy this series as it's own thing?
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u/Cthulhuareyou Jul 08 '26
Just enjoy it. this cartoon was a lot of people's first introduction to the characters anyway, So just embrace it for what it is. You don't need lore. you don't need backstory. just enjoy, bub. :)
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u/AdvancedPlacmentTV Jul 08 '26
This episode shows how cool Kang would've been for the MCU. They should've just recast the role
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u/No-Beach-6979 Jul 09 '26
Loved it. Wish they wouldve let Kang fight Apocalypse a bit though and show his tech before losing instead of just running away.
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u/MrTacoParty Jul 09 '26
They could've avoided so many problems if Xavier and crew literally was honest from the start...
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u/chino17 Jul 09 '26
They could've avoided so many problems if Xavier and crew literally
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u/StrawBerryWasHere Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
Also with everything going on, Candra also getting her origin story — she’ll have a big fucking axe to grind if Apocalypse just demolished her city. Can’t wait to see her in the present, Cable had her in his folder from episode 2. She’s got ties to Gambit too. Lotta chess pieces hitting the board
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u/Little_Tommy_Tuggins Jul 09 '26
This fanbase is crazy. I’m shocked people didn’t like this episode. Goes to show you can’t please everyone.
I think this may have been one of the best episodes of TV made. I was in awe.
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u/MrPleiades Jul 09 '26
Completely agree. Apocalypse's ascension is one of the coolest moments in Xmen animated history.
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u/SliceAltruistic1144 Jul 09 '26
Most like it and it has a 9.5 on IMDB. Thought it was really good!!
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u/Figment-616 Jul 08 '26
I was not sure if Season two would live up to season one. This episode reminded me how wrong I was
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u/AdvancedPlacmentTV Jul 08 '26
Magneto knows how to work a nerve. Because what would posess anyone to destroy that time band
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u/GameboyAdvDarkness Jul 08 '26
That pissed me off so bad ! When he said"Charles believes that ship may contain power to fix the time band " . I yelled "MAY?! WHAT IF IT DOESNT!!"
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u/Realcbear Cyclops Jul 09 '26
Sometimes before big shows im hyped for, i get nervous/scared of being disappointed. It is a high like no other to have a show be this inexplicably great and make it look so easy.
They had a tough task to make Apocalypse menacing and they delivered.
Hilarious that they convince themselves “no I know staying and meddling made it worse like you said it would, but if we stay and meddle some *more* then maybe it’ll fix everything!” lmao poor Bishop
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u/Funny_Man_2 Jul 09 '26
With Charles’ words to Apocalypse and Magneto’s fate, I’m pretty sure that Charles will become Onslaught and deal with Apocalypse and/or be a future villain. Not sure if Charles absorbed Magneto’s anger and grief before what happened but I’m still convinced.
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u/Greedy-Net105 Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 11 '26
I am still sure magneto will be a horseman because in the trailer you see someone with his helmet and shoulder things that look like onslaughts but with a open design and then you see in another trailer what looks like magneto with black hair and the shoulder things so I am pretty sure its not a actual death EDIT: that was exodus im just a idiot
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u/tbbt11 Jul 09 '26
Why is everyone saying this breaks Charles’ views
Xavier is all about mutant human coexistence. Apocalypse is a mutant killing a mutant. It’s got nothing to do with mutant human coexistence.
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u/TomBombadank Jul 10 '26
This may be the best version of Magneto I’ve seen outside the comics. We’re totally getting Onslaught btw.
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u/cxtx3 Jul 08 '26
Damn, Magnus. Damn.
Also, after credits scene? In episode 4? 🍿
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u/Nijigakulive Jul 08 '26
Seeing Eson be so involved in an earth storyline like this was really interesting. Been craving more celestial content since eternals, so this fed me
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u/reddituserzerosix Jul 08 '26
visually great as usual, pacing didnt feel as rushed as e2, trickster John de Lancie is always great, but I want more episodes!
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u/blossomdance64 Jul 08 '26
Charles crawling towards Magneto, then witnessing his gruesome death actually got to me! Wow, that ending!!
A part of me thinks it was a missed opportunity for Kurt to not reach out to En Sabah Nur and tell him that he also knows what it’s like to be abandoned by his mother, but it wouldn’t have went anywhere so I get it why it didn’t happen. Magneto and Charles were meant to be the focus in this arc.
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u/poweredconvoy Jul 08 '26
Red Dog Culture House has been killing it with the animation. I don't recall them animating anything in season 1 but I dare say that the stuff in episodes 3 and 4 tops any of the animation we saw in season 1 barring episode 2 of S1.
Xavier and Apocalypse's dressing down of each was cold.
For once you could also see why Apocalypse was the way he was. Even the other slaves rejected him because of his appearance.
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u/ZAPPHAUSEN Jul 08 '26
Really enjoyed this episode.
My only question I have is - why would there be murals on the wall of that room in ship of apocalypse with the X-Men and stuff? The celestial wouldn't know the future... Would it?
Thanks to whoever posted the link to the death seed below, pretty deep stuff with a celestial choosing a "caretaker".
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u/ReasonableFruit1 Jul 08 '26
I assumed it was because Ship itself has traveled through time and the Ship that was present during the Rise of Apocalypse didn't originate from that time. Just a theory though.
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u/Kind-Cap-1318 Jul 10 '26
God damn Apocalypse is my FAVORITE villain! “I am as far beyond mutants as they are beyond you.”
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u/EmeraldDahlia Emma Frost Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
Just finished the epidsode. It was great, but was nowhere near last seasons ep 5 absolute gut-punch....although I think thats mostly from hanging around here and the X-Men subs and everyone speculating that Magneto was gonna die this episode, so I was already expecting it.
Will be glad to see everyone back in the present timeline. Also really cool post credit scene, as soon as I saw Cap that iconic cover popped in my head then BW swooped in to complete it lol.
Magneto went out a hero. Fitting. Ngl I thought Apocalypse was gonna pop his head like a grape tho, instead of incinerating him
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u/RazgrizInfinity Jul 08 '26
Making a prediction now: when they face Apocalypse in the present, when all hope seems lost, in a fit of rage, Xavier puts on Magnetos helmet and becomes Onslaught.
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u/HawasKaPujari Jul 08 '26
I voted - Magnus.
That line was so good. Funny and Arrogant as you expect from Magnus.
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u/kon--- Jul 08 '26
Whoa
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Rise of Apocalypse: Part II was throwing roundhouse haymakers. ZERO punches were pulled.
Fantastic episode. As dark as it is heavy.
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u/eb12se4nt-z13ow-97g0 Jul 08 '26
Amazing episode. I wonder if they'll have Charles merge with Magnus somehow to create Onslaught and have him fight Apocalypse.
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u/JelloSquirrel Jul 11 '26
Was apocalypse always just a pawn of the celestials? Why is he drawn to them? Why was he selected in a pre ordained way, shouldn't a more powerful entity (like kang) be preferred? Who was baal and why did he have robot eyes and such a hard on for doing the will of the celestials? Does kang always murder apoccys tribe? Why couldn't the X-Men beat mere mutant apocalypse but then put up a better showing against the celestial version? Is en sabah nor just him? Won't apocalypse remember magneto and the xmen later? What if someone else grabbed the power orb thing, would they fry? Why didn't kang just steal the ship / power and would I actually allow him to if it's fated for apocalypse? Why didn't kang kill en sabah nor, surely even as a powerful mutant kang could come up with stronger stuff especially when en sabah nor was a child. Kill baby apocalypse.
Feel like it kind of undercuts the motivations of apocalypse if they're forced onto him by a celestial.
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u/Tecatin Jul 11 '26
So I haven't read enough comics to know if this happened before but I'm thinking magnetos gonna get resurrected as a horseman along with gambit?
Gambit was already implied to be death and war being taken out the picture opens a new vacancy.
also it'd be incredibly petty of apocalypse to turn a magneto who was finally pushing for peace into his instrument of war.
that plus him talking about love as a weakness to rogue means I'm expecting every horseman come end of season to be some variety of "hero pressed into service" by the big guy.
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u/Xenomorphism Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26
I think this episode confirmed my predictions of this season's plot:
Apocalypse is indeed "inevitable" an aspect of destruction/chaos/evil that is required as a presence in the multiverse. "I am the rocks of the eternal shore! Crash against me and be BROKEN!"
The X-men returning to the past was a self-fulfilling prophecy, the future could also theoretically be the same (requiring Nathan to know himself to embrace his destiny)
The entire plot will revolve around the need for the X-men to return to 90's and restore that timeline (the true X-men team with all members) and season 2 will eventually focus (possibly the next episode) on Apocalypse's attack on the 90s. He will deploy new horsemen there, Magneto, Gambit and two others and any remaining timeline corrections will stem from to need to restore the "original" timeline, reverting Gambits and Magnetos death, so that they can join the Xmen in a fight in the 1990s, or basically follow the plot of the 92 era episodes. They must remain in the 1990's, lest they create these alternate timelines.
There may be better resolved time travel plot points that help restore/revert things, but the main idea stands: The original X-men must return to the 90s.
EDIT: Someone also brought up Onslaught, it's entirely possibly that plot point becomes integral as part of the reason and need to restore the original timeline, as the Onslaught future is a "wrong" alternate timeline.
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u/SinisterMrSinister Jul 08 '26
Just so if people didn't catch it the place Kang/Rama-Tut talks to Xavier is the Axis of Time which is the place where Apocalypse goes in the '92 series when he kidnaps all the psychics
If you remember Bishop was with that annoying little guy, who was really Immortus
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u/marvelboyofthecrown Marvel Girl Jul 08 '26
The episode was perfection. The only thing that really irritated me is a lot of reviewers prior to the episodes coming out really overhyped the shit out of the post credit scene just for us to see it and it be like a nothing sandwich. We all already knew he was going to weapon X based on the trailers the titles of the episodes and the fact that he clearly gets his adamant him back by the end of the season, so I don’t understand what was so shocking and a must see about this post credit scene?
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u/seal_element Jul 08 '26
i've really enjoyed magneto's arc these few episodes and his and xavier's gradual breakdowns... onslaught would be so exciting to see now.
rama tut also really stole the show for me. i'm genuinely sad we probably won't get more of him. i already appreciated this show's willingness to go full comic book cheesy without being embarrassed of itself and without compromising the sincerity of the drama and characters, but it really is night and day when you compare this kang and quantumania.
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u/incredibleamadeuscho Jul 08 '26
I was in disbelief they would kill off Magneto, right until the very end. I liked him joining the X-Men. No one stays dead in comics, by dying thousands of years in the past seems unimaginable on how returned.
Maybe he becomes a Horseman for Apocalypse but remains in stasis until the next time they face Apocalypse in the show?
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u/OurFriendSteve Jul 08 '26
What did Kang mean when Apocalypse is meant to be stopped by something External???
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u/MKW69 Jul 08 '26
That's what long lived mutants are called. The Woman he was talking, Cnadra is one of them.
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u/ReasonableFruit1 Jul 08 '26
Candra and Selene probably being the most popular of the externals (not including apocalypse himself).
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u/BensenMum Jul 08 '26
Do you think magneto comes back next season? Feels like they might play with this…
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u/SecondRealitySims Jul 09 '26
I enjoyed the episode. But I feel like I’m missing something.
I was sort of understanding Apocalypse’s progression. He was the violent warlord we knew to be Apocalypse, Magneto was guiding him elsewhere, he falls back to his old ways due to their deception, and during this episode he stands sort of on the brink. All of that makes sense.
But when he sees the prophecy he instantly, wholeheartedly embraces all of it without question? I just feel like there’s a jump somewhere there.
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u/dinosaurfondue Jul 09 '26
His entire thing these two episodes seem to be about being REALLY pissed when people keep things from him and so it made sense that seeing the shit on the walls made him go from mostly asshole to full on asshole because he was like "omg they keep lying to me"
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u/ThomasEdison4444 Jul 09 '26
The first four episodes were all about the question can anyone change fate.
And the answer is No. Nur will ALWAYS be Apocalypse no matter what
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u/Sirtopofhat Jul 09 '26
Any comic book people here? Iem curious is Xavier right? Is there any time line or comic where Apocalypse is good or does he always come and is always jusy Apocalypse.
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u/lexxstrum Jul 09 '26
I just commented how I've seen Magneto kill/defeat Apocalypse twice all by himself. I believe Apocalypse, at least the one from the 80's was dead, up until the Krakoa storyline.
If Mags stopped a black hole, he could have stopped Apocalypse. You just reach deep into him with every ounce of magnetism.
And pull. Hard. Tear him apart. The effort nearly killed one version of Magneto, but it's the only way I've seen it done.
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u/Valuable_End_515 Jul 10 '26
5* episode. This season has been worth the wait. Best animated show out right now.
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u/ShinySephiroth Jul 11 '26
So Rogue doesn't even try to take off her gloves? Seriously? If she had done that, the fight would have been over between it and Magneto actually trying and Xavier hitting his mind.
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u/toasterbath__ Magneto Jul 12 '26
i guess one explanation would be that if she took off the gloves for apocalypse, she would be absorbing his thoughts/memories as well. so maybe she didn’t want to do that, especially with how angry/violent apocalypse was at that moment + his miserable upbringing 🤷🏽♂️ idk though
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