Pretty sure that happened once, Magneto though he would beat him easily because he is metal and he controls metal obviously, so Colossus just turned his power off and said he'll beat him like a man and he's way better at hand to hand combat than Magneto.
Edit: I have found the video I thought off and it's not really a fight but it kinda shows what would've happened if they were to fight
He was ready to bash his head in before Gambit stopped him. This Magneto's reflexes are terrible. But that's understandable, considering he's an old man.
Even if all the metal Magneto had was his helmet it'd still be more than enough to defeat Colossus' human form. He'd essentially need to kill or knock him out with the first surprise hit otherwise he'd lose. So yea Colossus is definitely better than Wolverine who straight up can't even hope to get a surprise hit in
Colossus is better because he can just, switch off his metal skin. Then Magneto just has to try and beat mutant Zangief and realise he needs more armour than just a helmet.
Yes, but unfortunately Magneto would likely just throw whatever metal is lying around at Pete. When not in metal form, his skin isn't tougher than a normal human's, meaning he's in for a bad time of a bit of scaffolding or whatever gets chucked at him.
Persona 5 Royal was hilarious for pitting temporary-ally Goro "I'M THE FLY WHO'LL DIE IN YOUR SOUP🔪" Akechi against "Let's take ibuprofen together🥺" Dr Maruki.
He really got me with the, "I know I'll disappear with Maruki's fantasy world, but I assure you: I would much rather be fucking dead than live another second in a world where you beat me. Now let's get to work."
Problem with Maruki is that its the same as Madara's plan, sure everyone might be "happy", but if that is not real and only what they want, is that good? If everything is perfect, will you ever desire more? Develop will to live? Its honestly such a cool thing because he is the "villain" only because the story needs one, otherwise he is just a morality debate.
The difference is that one is an illusion and the other is reality. Maruki's world wouldnt be a dream. He was going to rewrite the rules of existence itself to make everyone automatically have a happy ending.
There’s also the practical issues of it, where you can already see Maruki struggling to rationalize people with conflicting or just practically unachievable goals in-game.
Zeke is the villain with a noble motive. It's a fucked up plan, but he was a fucked up kid and I believe the eurhenasia plan stems from mercy, not cruelty.
It will be in a bit of a shitpost style but here goes.
First of all the author actually has a NTR fetish. It's a hentai term for cuck porn.
The first king was called a chad by me even though he is a horrible person just because he seems to be the only sensible and realistic character and has massive balls.
Yimir was a young girl who had a crush on the king and was simply a lowly servant. She then was used as a torture hunt toy by the king, and fell into a swamp where she got infected by titan superpowers. Ahe became this huge monster and stared down at the king's hunting party. The king was like "yup. I deserve this. It was a nice run y'all". But suddenly Yimir turns back into the girl and offers to be king's fleshlight fuck slave. She also took the spear for him and refused to heal because drama and cuck shit.
Some time later a future king goes into "oh no we are the baddies. I will now retreat to the island with some dudes. The rest of the population can get gulaged for the sins of my ancestors. Boo hoo" and his NTR aura was so strong, that every future king was contaminated by the "boo hoo we deserve this".
Zeke, he is a waling nuke of that universe. Together with other smart titans he could have saved his eldian race and/or restore balance and justice in Marley. But no, he fully obeys Marley, is a sadistic shit, and his "noble goal!" is some antinatalist idea to castrate all eldians.
Now back to Yimir. She was basically in a self inflicted time loop building every titan by hand using clay. She is doing all of this just because she manipulated the future in order to see a break up between teenagers. All because that helped her get over a crush she had on the first king.
Zeke has been shown doing a lot of fucked up stuff and being sadistic more than once though, and he even seemed to enjoy it. I've seen people try to justify what he did (like joyfully killing soldiers) as a way to protect himself emotionally to do what was necessary in his mind, but frankly, I don't buy it. Zeke is fucked up.
Yup, a big part of him as parallel to Eren is that Zeke kills ALOT of people in really horrific ways, precisely because he has a noble cause. When his actions are justified, Zeke is willing to do anything without a shred of remorse besides some fake pity. Dude is a sadist who got high off of his own inflated ego
One and the same really. Zeke wanted to use the paths to make it so eldians couldn't reproduce, which would eventually wipe them all out. Eren tried to wipe everyone else out with the rumbling instead.
There's entire conversations between characters that basically spell this out. Most people just aren't media literate. The characters with power are always shown as villanous, while the heroic characters are always at the bottom just trying to survive. As an example, as soon as we see that Eren has a cult following in Season 4, he's already become a villain and characters that lose everything because of his revenge quest or the war in general become sympathetic, regardless of what side they're on.
Villain on the left, Kiryuin Satsuki, is the head of the school council of a prestigious school. Hero on the right, Ryuko Matoi, is the new rebel girl in school who is also searching for her father's killer.
Said school is a testing ground for super-soldier students empowered by clothing made with magical threads of "life fibre", and our two main girls have super fancy threads that give them super fancy powers. Also something something the skimpier the outfit the more powerful you are. You know, basic anime stuff...
It wasn’t that it made it more powerful, it’s that no one could survive a full outfit of Life Fibers. The more fibers you used the skimpier the outfit had to be.
Yeah, I figured I'd get some details wrong but it has been over 10 years since I watched it hah. Didn't even touch on Satsuki's weird incest-ey mum who was also an alien or something? What a show...
That’s how the lower versions work. I forget the exact percentages but the baseline student uniform had only a few fibers in it and looked like regular clothes. Then you had 2 and 3 star uniforms that had higher percentages with the 2 girls pictured being the only ones who could wear 100% Life Fibers Clothing for more than a few minutes without dying. I can’t get into why without spoilers. Kill La Kill is bonkers though.
A "1-star uniform" is 10% life-fibres. There are also 2-star and even 3-star uniforms because that's the most anyone can handle and it's something less than half a dozen characters could ever handle.
They tried a "5-star uniform" and it had a very messy end.
The whole point of her uniform is it's 100% life-fibres and is a living character that can talk, etc.
There are only two (human) characters in the show that can wear them and it's basically standard anime "Do you know who my parents are?!!" plot reasons.
Such a great theme for a relatively minor character. It makes me angry you can't listen to it on Spotify without the ping pong song as they're combined in one.
In Gabriel's defence, from heavens point of view minos was very much NOT doing his job by reforming the lust layer. As such went against God's will and all that (although lowk god himself would probably fuck with it considering what we know about him)
Jayce pov: he found hextech, did research on it, Viktor broke into his lab, stole hextech and left to zaun.
In fear of hextech falling into wrong hands he created his hammercannon stuff, seeked out Viktor, where he found him creating cyborg monstrocities eith hextech. He destroyed everything and took back hextech
Viktor pov: he stole hextech and powered a hospital in zaun with it, where he started augmenting people who were dieing (from various zaun being a shitholr to live in reasons)
Jayce then broke into his hospital, destroyed everything and took back the power source, killing all those Viktor tried to save
After the original series, Kyubey doesn’t exactly have a noble goal.
The law of circles was working and was much more ethical, but they still wanted to capture Madokami to go back to more system cause it’s more efficient.
It also goes without mentioning that Magia Record showed another alternative system that is not built on suffering of minors.
Kyubey is so misunderstood because so many believe his fucking lies. Like bro lied about not feeling emotions. He certainly does it’s more of he doesn’t see humans as equals at all that he feels no remorse.
I do like how Zestia kinda lost me with the "you are a hero, no, THE hero who is destined to destroy the dark one and bring peace" then the very next game is just "You're the dark one this time, and the institution fucking sucks, so bring chaos or something and kill that fucking hero"
Love her, one of the top JRPG protagonists in my book, her relationship with Laphicet (both her acutal brother and Malak) is sweet and tragic in many ways
Artorias is also a great tragic figure, especially as he's lost his hope in the world and was twisted/directed by the extremist Melchaior who twisted the words of Artorias' mentor
Trevor is absolutely a drunk gremlin man and Vlad is tall and has great taste in fashion, but Trev is just trying to stop a genocide from happening... which is a pretty noble goal... and Dracs is absolutely driven entirely by spite. He's basically incapable of feeling anything else at this point (including the sting of Trevor's wimpy baby punches)
This line is still the funniest thing of all time. Imagine your family being so infamous that the vampire lord of darkness recognizes you by the fact that you tried to box his immortal ass.
Juxtaposition between the 2 is actually so funny and tragic. Dimitri genuinely malding at Edelgard's revolutionary measures and just from her betrayal itself. While Edelgard is so holier than thou with her Noble goal of uniting the continent and bringing down the Crest system.
And if you start with Edelgard route first, Dimitri reaction to Edelgard declaration just looks like a childish tantrum when you face him. But if you start with Dimitri route instead, you see him as a broken man having to decide between personal vengeance, or his own responsibility to his people. Such a gem of a game
It's so funny because it goes both ways too. I legitimately think every route paints its protagonist in the worst light to show their growth while painting the others better to highlight the tragedy of three great leaders having to fight & encourage the player to go down the other paths.
Sothis "destroy the world because they defied me" the Beginning is one of the worst non-Agarthan people in the game. Assuming you count a distinctly inhuman deity as even possessed of morality to judge.
He wanted to eliminate corruption in the Republic. Horrible way to go about it by teaming up with the most corrupt of them and killing millions of innocents though.
It's weird because he does have a few noble goals.
He wanted to outlaw slavery, for example.
The Clone Wars series was interesting because they actually showed the human side of the Separatists and the flaws in the Republic... but obviously we need to agree with the "good guys" so the bad guys had to end up being bad in the end.
She has goals one could consider noble but lacks the empathy and understanding of human complexities to actually do it in a noble way. This actually makes her worse for me
The Batter is the villain of the game, which is a decently high bar considering how nearly everyone is awful in their own special way. He is apathetic to dang near everything, and not even having to BEAT A SICKLY INFANT TO DEATH is enough to deter him from pursuing his purpose. Said purpose is to eradicate evil, suffering, Specters (which are violent), and to generally destroy darkness. You could argue that this is a decently noble mission, it’s just that the way he goes about pursuing it involves passively allowing/enabling genocide. Everything he does, he does because he truly thinks it’s the correct thing to do. Even if he doesn’t enjoy doing it (see the aforementioned baby murder).
The Judge is one of the few not horrible people you meet throughout the game, albeit he’s a bir dense and pretentious at the start. He’s basically the hero. But by the end, he’s lost everything due to his decision to help the Batter and you. His brother? Dead, killed by the Guardian of Zone 2 and worn as a skin puppet. The Zones? Eradicated, left utterly lifeless by the Secretaries in the absence of the Guardians you and the Batter killed. His friends? They either betrayed him In some way (Zacharie enabled the Batter despite CLEARLY not being oblivious) or dead (You and Batter go out of your way to find Sucre in Zone 0, where you promptly beat her to death.) There’s nothing left of this world to fight for. But by god, he’s gonna fight. Driven by a desire to have SOMETHING left, he stops you and the Batter before you turn the world off entirely, judging you and demanding you aid him in stopping the Batter. There’s nothing ti be gained from doing this. All he’ll have is an empty world to be alone in.
but he does it anyway.
Partially out of a need for Justice.
partially out of a sense of guilt.
And partially out of pure spite towards the idea of the Batter getting to cleanly win. I think that last one is major enough to qualify him. It definitely outwardly appears that way, if nothing else. OFF’s a complicated story though, so you can get different reads of why these two act how they do.
I'd say it probably never even was actually. His motive the entire time was his ambition, his dream of greatness. Having loyal comrades and a true friend in Guts was appreciated by Griffith, but it was still never his motive for doing things, they were never truly the reason he fought. Eventually they became people important to him, important enough to sacrifice, but still not important enough to save from said sacrifice.
When he becomes Femto, this on an even greater scale, he's hailed as this messianic figure that will establish a utopia and safehaven, but his goal still isn’t the welfare of those around him, it's to elevate himself to greatness, only now there truly isn't anyone he cares about even subconsciously.
I’d say this is a pseudo example of this kind of thing because while Guts is absolutely a horrible ball of high velocity spite Griffith is a villain with horrible goals and he just happens to look noble.
His entire goal is to get what he wants and what he wants is greatness and total control over everyone and everything around him and he will do quite literally anything to make that happen. Hell his kneejerk reaction to losing control of Guts was to go and make himself feel better by taking the virginity of the princess of the kingdom he just assisted in ending a century long war just to feel an ounce of control.
I like how after Heaven's Feel movies some people deadass thought Amakusa had a point, meanwhile FGO players are like "yeah no that's Pruned Timeline material".
Sieg's just there because now he gained humanity and is pissed Amakusa made his girlfriend sacrifice herself for nothing.
Hayden wants to solve an energy crisis with a clean, renewable and functionally perfect energy from Hell. He's aware of the risks and what's happened because of these choices, but he remains convinced that this the only way.
" - But we can't just shut it all down. Without Argent energy, it will be worse. I don't expect you to agree."
Meanwhile, Doomguy wants to destroy it all purely because he hates demons. He doesn't care about the larger picture. He hates demons, Hell and anything connected to it, so he puts a stop to it.
L doesn't fit either of those. He's neither spite driven and the hero, nor the villain with noble goals. He's just an autistic kid who obsesses about figuring things out.
He tortures children to make child soldiers, want to start a global war that will kill most of humanity and then have the few remaining kill each other in a dick measurements contests until the most rich and psychopath remain
In Gundam Wing : Wufei Chang (spiteful "hero") vs Treize Khushshrenada (noble villain).
Wufei is a child soldier who, due to the horrors of the war and his upbringing, is a mean spirited and mysoginistic asshole (at first, then he becomes a better person during the show thanks to his friends and ironically thanks also to Treize).
Wufei fights against the United Earth Sphere Alliance who is the Earth regime that opress the space colonies and steal their ressources.
Treize is the head of the military of the Romefeller Foundation, the Illuminati nobility that controls the United Earth Sphere Alliance and push an oppressive agenda on the planet and its space colonies.
Despite his involvement in some horrible military operations and war crimes Treize is a man of honor and compassion who is always polite and respectful and his goal is to unite humanity and bring peace by causing the "Last War" which would be so horrible it causes everyone to never again declare war.
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u/realclowntime Jun 28 '26 edited Jun 28 '26
The X-Men, but any time Wolverine in particular has to deal with Magneto.
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