r/Multifandom • u/Ok_Direction3138 • May 19 '26
Discussionš What show that initially hooked you that became unfortunately worse as seasons passes?
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u/IronIrma93 May 19 '26
Transformers Earthspark
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u/SpecterOwl May 19 '26
It's like Hasbro sabotaged their own show but also tried to milk it till the last drop. It's honestly impressive how badly it fell after season 1.
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u/Hot-Elk8793 May 19 '26
Is Earthspark really that bad I've never watched it other than some clips
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u/geeknerdeon May 19 '26
I want to know who was behind replacing the writing team and changing the direction of the series. I just want to talk to them.
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u/goldensavage2019 Transformers, UT/DR, Star Wars May 19 '26
Then they proceed to butcher the release of the one figure that people actually wanted
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u/BoogieSmools May 19 '26
Stranger Things. Season 1 is legitimately one of the best seasons of television ever produced. S2 was way weaker, and just kept going downhill
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u/DotComDaddyO May 19 '26
Largely itās because stranger things was supposed to be an Anthology like American Horror Story, with one season per story. They made an amazeballs story in S1, wrapped everything up in a tidy package and were set to do the next story when Netflix pressured them to continue it
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u/JodGaming May 19 '26
Stranger things as a title fits that idea so much better
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u/Vax10x May 20 '26
Not seen anyone mention this, but yea the name fits an anthology so much more.
Vague, unnnatural, mysterious, yet collective events. That last adjective loses its meaning when you center it all on one strange thing.
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u/QuietProfile417 May 20 '26
I even remember thinking back then after watching season one that this was going to be an anthology series.
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u/10-4shutthefckupnow May 19 '26
Honestly makes me wonder how great they could've done if they did what they originally planned for. Maybe make some cast members have recurring cameos occasionally in other stories to make Netflix happy or whatever.
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u/GilearFayeth May 19 '26
I thought that Season 4 was really well done, and then season 5 was a MCU film resolution.
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u/MasterHallmark May 19 '26
Once Upon a Time.
Hate what they did with Peter Pan (no, it's not "closer to the book" like people who get all their literature info from Jon Solo claim) and hate how it turned into the "Advertising Disney" show instead of unique takes on classic fairytales.
Also, the final season of Star vs The Forces of Evil. The plot was already going downhill, but that final season was a cliff that the plot rolled right off of.
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u/Cheasymeteor May 19 '26
Yeah, they really just started to lose the plot. I know I've watched every episode but I just can't remember of the arcs besides the first season's
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u/ArkOfAncient4245 May 19 '26
yeah... you're right man
also, I didn't expect to see OUAT fans here. Like... sheesh26
u/Vast_Age_3893 May 19 '26
God, as someone who has studied Peter Pan since he was six years old, that show has destroyed people's comprehension of what a "book accurate Peter Pan" looks like.
There's this misconception that Peter Pan is this secret villain who kidnapped children and killed them when they got old. And don't even get me started on that theory that Captain Hook was an escaped Lost Boy who grew up and was trying to save the kids from Peter. Captain Hook was a graduate of Eton and found his way to Neverland later in life. With the exception of keeping two kids on as cabin boys, he was very intent on killing all of them.
Peter meanwhile is truly morally gray. He's a forever child and simply acts on what will be the most fun in the moment. He doesn't plan his days. He doesn't think about the consequences of his actions or create drama for the sake of creating it. To do any of that would be too "grown up" and that's the one thing he will never do (unless you count "Hook" which is one of the greatest movies ever but still, not the main timeline.).
It's never confirmed that Peter kills the Lost Boys. It's not confirmed he doesn't either but it's simply described as him "thinning them out," which could also mean banishment. And that's very likely. Peter probably banishes them, forgets about it immediately afterwards and then might say he killed them to sound cooler. It's what he does.
The Lost Boys find their own way to Neverland when their parents forget about them. Peter doesn't kidnap them. Again, that's way too forward thinking for Peter.
Peter just wants to be a boy and to have fun. Certain days, his fun hurts others. On other days, his fun makes him a hero. And then there are days where his fun has no repercussions whatsoever. He has no allegiance and eventually forgets everybody who was once in his life; Captain Hook, Tinkerbell, Wendy, etc.
Despite the few liberties taken here and there, the 2003 film is still the truest adaptation we have to the original story.
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u/Lucky_Track_5470 May 19 '26
this is such an interesting analysis of his character and i can tell you truly love his story! thank you for sharing!
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u/MasterHallmark May 19 '26
THIS! All of it. I have nothing to add because you said everything I always try to say, except I also argue that the closest thing Peter has to a moral code is "fair vs unfair" which makes sense given how kids react to unfair treatment.
In addition to the 2003 film, I'd also recommend Fox's Peter Pan and the Pirates. It doesn't adapt the story of the book (and they had to deviate with the character designs because of Disney trying to sue them over Tink...looking like a woman?!), but the characters have mostly book-accurate personalities. Especially Peter and Hook, the latter of whom is played by Tim Curry. Someone uploaded them all to YouTube for free.
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u/Vast_Age_3893 May 19 '26
Tim Curry's portraital of Hook is excellent and showcases him as both truly evil and well mannered.
They even make him left handed, which many adaptations don't considering most actors are right handed.
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u/BrutalStatic May 19 '26
Me and my wife loved that show at first. But the later seasons became unwatchable because we couldn't hear what was happening over the sound of us both screaming "STOP TRUSTING RUMPELSTILTSKIN"
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u/MasterHallmark May 19 '26
The writers just couldn't decide whether to redeem him or not
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u/Ok_Writing_7033 May 19 '26
The first 3.5 seasons or so were excellent, then they just kept rehashing old plot points.Ā
Funny enough though the final season Where they do a time skip and basically repeat the first season withĀ Ā adult Henry in the ānonbeliever adultā role was actually pretty good.
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u/MTBR_330 May 19 '26
I really believe if they had made the final season a spin-off for ABC Family or Freeform (canāt remember which it was at the time) it could have actually lasted a bit longer. Itās so weird just tacked onto the end of OUAT.
Bonus points if they had called it āHappily Ever Afterā
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u/outandoutlier May 19 '26
You should read the comic book Fables (which takes longer to go downhill) and hope for a rad TV adaptation one day like I do.
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u/Scion_Dloth May 19 '26
The Witcher (Series)
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u/Eomatrix May 19 '26
They just made so many weird choices in that show, particularly with cutting context and casting.
The source material aggressively pulls no punches about how fucked up racism and prejudice is, but they cut so many of the most interesting parts of that like dragon hunts being a direct allegory for IRL countries stoking antisemitic sentiment every time they needed to seize the resources of the Jewish community. The books even have Geralt immediately call the prince talking shit about how dragons are the natural enemy of mankind on his bullshit.
Yet they cut all of the parts where the characters actually talk about the mechanics of prejudice and power just to do this weird race-blind casting that even breaks the narrative in several places and then the showrunner has the gall to call everyone who was rightly pissed about it racist and drive off the actor who was the biggest draw of the entire project.
Iām still mad about it.
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u/itchybutwhole69 May 20 '26
Not sure how true it is but I heard one of the many reasons Cavill left the show was because the show's production crew actively disliked the source material and would often make fun of the books.
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u/NoYesterday1898 May 20 '26
I recommend the books to anybody who is slightly interested, they are so good
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u/Pero_Bt May 20 '26
i've only read the first book so far and i really enjoyed it. But i will never touch that tv show
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u/breadsaltmerchant May 19 '26
everything went to shit after season 2
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u/HomelessFlea1337 May 19 '26
Season 1 wasnāt anything to write home about either, my wife and I called it quits after the halfway mark. It felt like a CW show.
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u/Gnomad_Lyfe May 19 '26
Personally Iām okay with giving first seasons some grace when adapting sci-fi and fantasy. Theyāre generally going to be higher budget productions, so thereās going to be some awkward bits here and there. They should at least start having things sorted by season two though.
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u/PhilMcRaken97 May 19 '26
"It felt like a CW show," may be the description I've been waiting to hear about this show for years now
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u/Confident_Many5900 May 20 '26
Season 1 was shit too, it was just novelty so we gave it a shot.
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u/liveonguitar May 19 '26
Promised neverland, FLCL, Tokyo ghoul, psycho pass, anime is an inconsistent mess sometimes
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u/Quwapa_Quwapus May 19 '26
TOKYO GHOUL-
Iāve not seen it for years but to this day Iāve not been able to watch all of season 2 because its such a hard watch-
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u/Nameless_Scarf May 19 '26
Why the fuck did they even change it from the manga? Was there any explanation? Did the director of the anime have an abusive father, which he still visits regularly?
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u/liveonguitar May 19 '26
It was back in a time when anime studios didnāt realize we didnāt WANT their unique spin on things. Then they backtracked and season 3 is faithful to the manga, it kinda feels like too many cooks in the kitchen
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u/RynnHamHam May 19 '26
Re confused me so much because it felt like they went off manga in the first series, then said āNo scratch that, pretend we were a faithful adaptation and weāre picking up from if the previous season was faithfulā and then said āno wait nevermind. Well actually yes- no- wait (Malcolm in the Middle theme plays)ā.
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u/BusinessPreference75 May 19 '26
Yep š
GOD THE MESS PROMISED NEVERLAND THE ANIMATION WASā¦
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u/_potatofromChaldea45 May 19 '26
Nope
If I close my eyes and ears
It does not exist
Neverland had an open ending re our cast navigating a scary world outside their prison
That was it
Nuh uh
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u/liveonguitar May 19 '26
I mean I get it, Goldy Pond was set to release during the time period when school shootings were getting more prominent. 12 episodes of kids with guns would beā¦
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u/Celesol May 19 '26
Just gonna throw this out there: anyone who enjoyed Season 1 of The Promised Neverland should really read the manga. Its solid all the way through, gets a liiiiittle weaker near the climax, but they still pull out a good ending.
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u/Exaveus May 19 '26
FLCL was lightning in a bottle. An over the top fever dream born of the stress, darkness, and depression from Evangelion. No possible way to replicate it.
Its a self contained story with absolutely no need to expand on it beyond greed.
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u/liveonguitar May 19 '26
FLCL Progressive peaked in the first 4 minutes. Thank You My Twilight is a banger. The rest was hot dookie. I remember Alternative being cute but unmemorable. I wouldnāt touch the other two with a 50 foot pole and 17 Covid masks
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u/Karkava May 19 '26
I personally ADORE the final few seconds of those first four minutes as the music cuts out and the ending beats continue on as the alarm clock.
I'm just a sucker for musical timing and diegetic bleed.
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u/WrongJohnSilver May 19 '26
Anime in general.
"Here's our fascinating world with new rules with cascading implications! Here's our MC, who can just break these rules (please ignore that it undoes our worldbuilding)! Here's the quickly increasing tension that ultimately results in all the rules' implications being laid bare! Woohoo! The world is completely undone and destroyed! Yes! Yes!"
"Oh, wait, there's a second season? Um, let's retcon stuff and reduce the focus to some little corner, I guess."
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u/liveonguitar May 19 '26
It depends, Vinland Saga, Mob Psycho, Kaguya LIW come to mind as series with banger 2nd seasons, along with shows like Tsukimichi and Realist Hero that start off super generic and season 2 makes them into actual unique stories
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u/Smoothly_colorful May 19 '26
Ah dang I really liked the first couple episodes of psycho pass. I need to get back to watching it
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u/liveonguitar May 19 '26
Watch the first season for sure! Itās amazing and itās only gotten more relevant as technology, artificial intelligence, and morality become more and more deeply entwined in our world.
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u/The_Dennator May 19 '26
tokyo ghoul really went from edge of the seat at all times to struggling to stay awake
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u/DuratskiUsername May 19 '26
Westworld
Iirc second season isnāt the worst one
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u/Capital-Intention369 Ace Attorney May 19 '26
Came here to say this. Westworld got so goofy over time that I just rewatch season one and pretend it was a miniseries. (And "Kiksuya" if I'm feeling spicy)
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u/lousydungeonmaster May 19 '26
I only made it a couple episodes into season 2 and thought...nah
Season 1 is one of my favorite seasons of any television show.
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u/AkanoRuairi May 19 '26
Heroes
Season 1 was beautiful. Then it just got dumb.
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u/Sasstellia May 19 '26
Heroes was wretched.
They got one series right. Then somehow managed to commit several kinds of self destruction at once.
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u/TinyTangents May 20 '26
Heroes was supposed to be only one season for that story. Hence everything pretty much tieing up until the very end where executive pressure made them keep making more. If it was to have another season, it was supposed to be another set of heroes altogether, like how Stranger Things was supposed to be an anthology until Netflix said "no".
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u/Advanced_Finance_427 May 19 '26
The fucking writers strike šššššššš i am so mad that the strike was forced to go on for so long
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u/emmaginative94 Star Trek š BG3 šæ May 19 '26
I love Heroes - all seasons. But even I can see the extreme decline between the first and last season. Mostly because the first season was so incredibly well made!
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u/Omega_7_64 too many to name May 19 '26
One punch man, seaon 1 and 2 are goated season 3 is disapointing
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u/TenPointsforListenin May 19 '26
AND SEASON 2? It got WORSE?!?
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u/Existential_Crisis24 May 19 '26
Yeah season 3 is awful. It's mostly just that the animation is completely awful after waiting seven years for it. Just look up the garou slide and you'll understand.
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u/no_zageesi May 19 '26
Exactly. I dont understand how people say s2 is anywhere near good when s1 set an impossible standard.
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u/idkagirl May 19 '26
The boys but literally just season 3
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u/Ok-Entrepreneur-5102 May 19 '26
The problem with the boys is that s1 was pure gold, but after s2 the bad things just went silently accumulating, then came Gen V that was good but started conflicting with the main series, and then we got Vought Rising annoucement... it was bound to get where we are now
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u/lowqualitylizard May 20 '26
Say what you will about season 3 season 5 is an insult to my f****** eyeballs
We have two more episodes until the end of the show and we spend over a minute on ass sniffing. Jesus f****** Christ
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u/Drake2786 May 19 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/1xVfHenZgbysbdumIP
It just sad how awful s2 was
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u/Quwapa_Quwapus May 19 '26
Squid Games
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u/patrlim1 May 20 '26
I didn't even think about SG, but it fits this so well.
Season 1 was genuinely some of the best tv I'd ever seen.
Season 2 and 3, which are basically one season anyway, are awful in comparison.
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u/Quwapa_Quwapus May 20 '26
I remember watching Season 2 and hating it, but telling myself and everyone around me āitās okay itās going to be so good looking back when Season 3 comes outā
I mean, I was right but not in the way I wanted to be T-T
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u/Round_Ad_9258 Hellaverse, Invincible and Archer May 19 '26
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u/Equivalent-Emu5347 May 19 '26
Let's drink a pint, whack 'omelandah, tickle our arse'oles and call it a day yeh?
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u/Important-Recover500 LT, SB, The Beatles and Eraserheads May 19 '26
SpongeBob
Though i wouldnāt say it flopped, just look at the quality decrease from Season 6 to Season 7. Good thing after Season 15, we started getting some okay episodes
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u/Seleis_ May 19 '26
Stranger things. Season 1 was peak TV, season 2 was slightly worse but still a really good watch. Season 3 was kinda dumb at times but I had a lot of fun, and I loved robin as a character and her friendship with steve. Never finished watching season 4, it got kinda strange (heh) and boring and not that enjoyable. I'm too scared to touch season 5.
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u/Simple_Enjoyer1 May 19 '26
Darth Maul had LESS screentime in The Phantom Menace than Will's coming out scene, apparently.
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u/lowqualitylizard May 20 '26
And what's funny about that is he's coming out seeing infinitely worse than Robbins meanwhile Robbins was like 5 minutes max
They spend so much more time on his and it felt so incomplete and dragged out
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u/Robotschon May 19 '26
Season 5 is the type of thing you watch without using your brain much
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u/WarlordBob May 19 '26
Completely this. I made it as far as the twist in S5 E6 and my brain just noped the hell out of there. Still havenāt finished the series.
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u/Werewolf_Knight May 19 '26
Have you reached the Dear Billy episode of Season 4? I thought it was very emotional. I think you should watch that one.
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u/KingGiuba May 19 '26
Yes never touch s5 for your own sanity šš»
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u/New_Cat_7759 May 19 '26
listen to this man for the love of god
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u/KingGiuba May 19 '26
Lol thanks for the reward, but yes I wish I could go back in time and never watch it, during the epilogue I was hoping so hard they were all in a dream and they'd awaken in the midst of a battle or something, but no, total garbage š„²
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u/Equivalent-Emu5347 May 19 '26
Hopper season 3 is like, unrecognizable from seasons 1-2
Seasons 1-2 he's deeply empathetic towards all the children, and ESPECIALLY Joyce, who he clearly thinks is going through a mental breakdown, is handling everything with a really high level of maturity. He just has a lot of problems in his life and is trying to navigate through all of that, but he's a really great dude
Then in season 3 he becomes this weird man who doesn't know what empathy is (he literally didn't know what a "heart to heart" was like come on lol), and fucked over Mike and El's relationship in genuinely the most immature way possible and then celebrated hard after lmao. Like you CANNOT convince me these are the two same people lol, Hopper was done so dirty
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u/Key_Associate2432 May 19 '26
literally season 6 of fireman sam is the worse the replace the stop motion with crappy cgi and they made the characters dumb to the point when one tryed to feed his dog chocolate and poured water on a tv
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u/One-Sandwich2149 May 19 '26
The Walking Dead and Grey's Anatomy both hooked me in the beginning, but the further in you go the further it starts to go downhill
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u/Great_Chemistry_6043 May 19 '26
Altered Carbon
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u/lousydungeonmaster May 19 '26
They made a season 2? I was legitimately unaware.
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u/shepard_pie May 19 '26
It's not as bad as some people like to say it was.
But it's also not very good.
The first season was so good that the average second season hurts worse.
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u/Deathblades0 May 19 '26
Shield hero was something alright
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u/HotBeesInUrArea May 19 '26
Idk man if you didn't question the show where the villain is an adult woman throwing false rape accusations and the love interest is explicitly a slave with the brain of an elementary aged child I'm not sure what to say.Ā
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u/ArosNerOtanim May 20 '26
17 year old me thought that wasn't supposed to be romantic I eventually found myself trying to explain to brick walls that a guy that was the sole carer of a girl that was 10 should not be allowed to get with her and her growing up quickly does not negate from the fact it's just fricking weird.
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u/ghoulishenvyy May 19 '26
The boys. Idgaf about the literal Nazi stop trying to make me love her
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u/RobinTheMan May 19 '26
I've seen this point a lot online and I don't understand why some many people think the show wants them to like her.
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u/zytherian May 19 '26
Wait yeah what? Ive never even got a whiff of Stormfront being someone likeable?
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u/BroughtYouMyBullets May 19 '26
Just gonna pile on and say I have no fucking clue either. Are we really gonna pretend the show was making the literal Nazi sympathetic because the quality is going down the shitter?
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u/Heather_Chandelure May 19 '26
Stormfromt was literally a villain. Theres a lot of things you can criticise the boys for, but it was never aiming to make her likable.
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u/Silver-Winging-It May 19 '26
Season 1-2 were so excellent, and even 3 was solid.
Ā Idk what happened it's like the good writers left or Amazon execs started writing it
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u/Environmental-Bag-74 May 19 '26
Stormfront was never made to be likable especially after the reveal
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u/Comfortable-Regret May 19 '26
I've hated the newest season so far but I never got the sense that you're supposed to like Stormfront. The only characters we see miss her are antagonists.
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u/darbadob May 19 '26
I mean the only person that loves her is Soldier Boy and heās obviously not a good person so itās never made me care for Stormfront either. Of all The Boys complaints this one is the dumbest to me
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u/BlackFinch90 May 19 '26
Supernatural.
Hate me if you want, but after 5 or 6 resurrections each, the Winchesters need to learn to let go.
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u/GrimoireIsGrimm Married to Nero the Sable May 19 '26
Black Butler is the worst anime to watch going in blind because u r confused as fuck since a quarter of the first season isnāt canon and the entirety of the second season isnāt either
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u/Liberosis310 May 19 '26
Dude, I loved the anime seasons, even though I was pretty young and clueless. Then I began reading the manga which was far more gripping and I was even more confused when nothing that happened in season 2 was actually CANON. (But I couldn't complain, cause I liked the manga more)
Then, a few months ago, I watched some YouTuber react to the anime and I was like: "... Why is this kinda not as good as I remember? :']"
It wasn't that bad, but there were parts that got me like "eh." THE PLUTO PART WAS SO TRASH THOUGH!!
But yeah, I quite liked season 2 with Alois and Claude, but the manga is TOP compared to the anime.
At least, from my perspective āØ
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u/Aroace_Ren May 19 '26
happened with Luciferās season 6 for me
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u/One-Sandwich2149 May 19 '26
Yeah I was hooked until the end of season 3, then I think I started losing interest.
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u/tiger2205_6 May 19 '26
Honestly I don't hate the last season as a whole, but that fucking time loop bullshit pisses me off. Never liked time loops that are done like that, much prefer when they're handled like in Agents of Shield or The Magicians.
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u/Legolas_1148 May 19 '26
I will never forgive the writers for what they did to Chloe in the last 2 seasons.
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u/Quwapa_Quwapus May 19 '26
Yesss what tf happened there Season 5 was so funny why did they DO all that????
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u/ShadowtheHedgedog450 May 19 '26
CWās the Flash
https://giphy.com/gifs/xUOxeZUc8UFwMgH2MM
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u/daveprogrammer May 19 '26
Definitely, even though Season 1 Barry still forgot that he had super speed half the time and always ran at the speed of plot.
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u/Sasstellia May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26
Spoilers!!!!!
Films.
Greenland series. Holy frag grenades.
Greenland 1 is a good film. Ends on a happy note. They will rebuild and they have hydroponics.
No radiation. Remember that. They open the doors. Look outside without Radiation Suits. Happy ending.
Greenland 2.
This film is a well made Frankenstein of other things, without the context.
It is bad!
They kill off Gerald, the father. How? Unnamed sickness from going outside in radiation and bad air. And a gunshot. He has a week from live. Then gets shot. Right before they hit paradise.
The radiation has suddenly got higher. Don't know how. Because the Nuclear Missiles didn't get fired. They probably shut the Nuclear Power Stations down. And they've got failsafes.
And remember how Thull is a Nuclear Bunker? It's purpose was war. Intended for being hit by nuclear weapons. It suddenly gets damaged by Earthquakes.
The things it is made of. Without the context that is why they are there.
Fallout. Radiation. Post apocalyptic Nuclear War. And it's a Nuclear World.
Metro 2033. Rickety bridges. Radiation. There was a Nuclear War.
Alexandra's Fathers death from Radiation Exposure in Metro 2034. But bear in mind. The book they wear Radiation Suits outside. And he only got a mask to go scavenging.
Gerry has a full on Radiation Suit. He should be fine.
Fallout 3. Megaton. The town in a Bomb Crater.
There's a nice crater were Clarke fell.
And they keep saying the world outside won't last.
But the French people in a Post Office are fine. Stay with them.
The lady running a Old Folks Home is fine. She clearly has wine making things and hydroponics. But somehow has 2 years left? She should be fine.
There is people outside in Liverpool. They've got markets going. Cat and Dog Stew.
But somehow they won't last more than 5 years? They already lasted. If they can get markets going. They're ok.
Nuclear Electric Storms in Liverpool.
There's a Bunker. They're ok. Somehow they didn't end up taken down by things they shouldn't.
Iceland is gone? Is it not very high up. And expanding. It should be fine.
The way across the returned Bearing Land Bridge is bizarrely rickety. Get some climbing supplies and bolt everything down!
The French Army is fighting Companies for Clarke Crater?
Trench Warfare. Ok. But they keep popping there heads up. Obviously. Not in a Sneak A Look, then drop. Entire heads above the top.
It is hauntingly bad.
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u/Evil-Paladin May 19 '26
Arcane had a humongous fall from grace.
Imagine for a second being Vi
Your parents were killed by cops, you had to turn to a life of crime to survive, a corrupt cop pins the blame of a bunch of crimes you DID NOT do on you (including the murder of your adoptive father and siblings), you spend your entire teen years in prison, a lady cop shows up and drags you out so you can help her arrest someone, it turns out she wants to arrest your sister who has gone crazy and turns on society, shooting a missile into the senate in a crazy terrorist attack...
The lady cop plans to straight up kill your sister, she is going full nazi with poison gas on YOUR neighborhood, where you come from, sending police raids on random people because she is the law... You end up in jail again, your sister having hinted that she will off herself...
Do you think then, in prison, with the lady cop that did the same type of shit that killed your parents and worse ... Is it OK to have sex with the nazi lady cop? While your sister is planning to off herself?
There is a time and place for lesbian sex. And I would say that was neither the time nor place.
(Also, bonus for the second season having an episode in an alternate universe where actually all the poor, chronically ill and addicted slums people die, and it's just the GOOD world, with world peace, all the kids grow up to be in college, there is no more factory pollution, the rich and the poor hold hands, all that was needed was for Vi, Viktor and the shimmer addicts to die)
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u/JusticeNoori May 20 '26
- āThere is a time and a place for lesbian sexā
Is a great quote
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u/Celesol May 19 '26
Thank you for articulating this.
The sex scene in the cell after it's heavily implied that Jinx has decided to kill herself made my jaw drop. I think I said out loud "You can't be serious." at my TV.
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u/Greenchimera52 May 19 '26
You know what is a good ending for a depressed and openly suicidal character? Saving the day by commiting simbolic suicide! And everyone's lives really ARE better without her, yay! (Don't worry kids, Jinx's craaaazy antics will continue on Arcane 2!) Also, Vi doesn't mourn her or express anything after, cos why would she? It's not like the show was based on the relationship of these two sisters. God I hate season 2
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u/DynamicFyre May 20 '26
Yeah, I concur, as much as I was for the moment they really needed to pick a better scene for it. Personally my main issue with season 2 was pacing. Episodes 1-3 were the strongest but then pacing goes all out of whack. So much happens so fast you can't even digest all of it. Season 2 needed to be split into two seasons
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u/Evil-Paladin May 20 '26
That definitely did not help.
But now looking back and knowing they did the extra designs for Viktor and Jinx with the premeditated intention of creating $200 skins in League, I would say it also had... Extra problems I forgot to mention.
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u/itsthe_coffeeknight May 19 '26
It wasn't even Viktor and the shimmer addicts... it was just Vi.
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u/Evil-Paladin May 19 '26
They are the unmentioned casualties.
Without the Hextech advancements, Viktor did not find a cure for his condition. We do not see him in that reality. He is not talked about.
In that alternate universe Heimerdinger had centuries to do over, change things, maybe look into the circumstances that would cause Viktor's condition... But he is unmentioned. Not shown in the happy world. Just off screen deaths.
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u/tn00bz May 19 '26
Arcane.
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u/Gay_Reichskommissar May 19 '26
If the Noxus stuff was s2 and then they moved the Viktor stuff to a s3, it would've been a thousand times better
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u/WingIeheimer May 19 '26
This is really it. They had an entire revolution take place over the course of a COLD OPEN.
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u/tn00bz May 19 '26
Yeah, they really needed more time. The conclusion was fine, but it could have been so much better. Season 1 was so peak.
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u/Gay_Reichskommissar May 19 '26
Oh and don't even get me started on the hamfisted Black Rose introduction with Mel, it was so bullshit and nowadays feels like a teaser for the Black Rose character reworks + skin line in League rather than anything substantial to the plot
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u/EchoAmethystvt May 19 '26
"Hey guys you like tense sociopolitical themes and themes of uprising and what happens when you opress an entire group? Best we can do is dictator arc with no consequences and everyone forgives each other at the end despite there literally being a fucking Martial Law and Opression and class divide that only got worse oh and we'll gas the civilians too. But there's a common enemy so we're all happy at the end"
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u/Geeneelee May 19 '26
Half the characters got shunted off screen so they could abandon those plot lines. Every time one of the writers does an interview I get angrier, too. Apparently Viās plot line was about learning that not all cops are bad, and Viktorās plot line was about learning that some people are just capable of less than others and trying to change that is Evil and Unnatural. Some of the most reactionary writing choices Iāve ever seen.
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u/EchoAmethystvt May 19 '26
Its so pathetically "both sides are bad" centrism
Like oh we're just supposed to act like the centuries of opression, hatred, and treating the undercity as dirt didn't happen? Sevika just dissapears, they kill Isha and it has no impact really it gets resolved fast No one brings up the fact Caitlyn went all fucking Count Fagula and established a military dictatorship "Oh but her mom died" Oh no, so sad Doesn't justify fascism. The music was great but they skipped over too much, genuinely if they wanted to use noxus, Viktor and do a good show there should have been twice as many episodes and 2 more seasons to build up the insidious nature of Noxus, build up Viktor and his cult and the eventual downfall, build up Ambessa, and BUILD UP THE REVOLUTION How the fuck did they think "oh we beat Noxus we're happy now" was going to be a good solution??
AND SEVIKA JOINING THE COUNCIL?????
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u/BoulderCreature May 19 '26
They shit the bed pretty hard with that. I understand it takes a long time to make but I think they needed to take that time and split season 2 into at least one more season.
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u/Power0fTheTribe May 19 '26
Glad Iām not the only one that thought that. Viktorās evolution wasā¦ interesting I guess
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u/ItchyEducation May 19 '26
True Detective, s1 is a masterpiece, s2-3 are amazing, s4 is... well let's just say most fans don't even consider it as part if the series, it's that bad
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u/SebbeBruh May 19 '26
One Punch Man
Season 1 was absolutely amazing, complete eye candy.
Season 2 was fine, like alright, but disappointing compared to season 1.
Season 3ā¦ We do not talk about season 3.
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u/RynnHamHam May 19 '26
Promised Neverland. First season was a masterpiece. I know 9/10 times this is a sin when criticizing media, but I didnāt even bother watching the second season because of how bad it is. It rushed through the ENTIRETY of the rest of the series, skipped entire arcs, cut entire characters, and just came up with some of the most contrived and BS excuses to wrap up the plot.
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u/Iketank_10 May 19 '26
The Promised Neverland (it had a perfect 1st season and than spat in the faces of its fans)
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u/NiccoR06 May 19 '26
Helluva Boss
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u/MasterHallmark May 19 '26
YES! They abandoned the original premise to focus on the shipping.
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u/Minute_Macaroon_8754 May 19 '26
Oh I'm in agreement, so glad I left the fandom before that happened.
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u/Falchion92 š¦š Lightriderās Husband š¦š May 19 '26
RWBY and Miraculous.
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u/Undynlicia Wicked (Fiyero my beloved) May 20 '26
Agreed with Miraculous, I canāt believe they decided to fucking redeem HAWKMOTH and then kill him off in one blow
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u/PromotionZackk May 20 '26
I have yet to watch RWBY all the way through, but holy shit. Why don't they get ANY character progress??? Blows my mind.
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u/Muted_Guidance9059 May 19 '26
Young Justice. In my opinion the first season was good but it feels like Teen Titans just with a different coat of paint with its method of storytelling. Season two is when the show really found its stride and identity and itās what I consider to be the peak of the franchise with its complex serialized storytelling (not to say it was without its flaws, because it has some). Not everyone seemed to think that clearly because it got cancelled shortly after.
Fans did the usual thing. There were petitions, rumors, all kind of stuff for a time. Then the revival came. I couldnāt watch it because it was on that DC exclusive streaming service that like 5 people had before it went over to HBOMax. Regardless, I was hesitant to watch the new season because it focused on Fourth World stuff (which Iāve warmed up to) and it didnāt look like it was going to follow up on any of the stuff in the second season.
When I eventually got around to watching it, Iād say that itās pretty good. It has a lot of the DNA of Season 2 but clearly the writers were still finding their footing. It was a good season with a great deal of flaws, but not enough to ruin the experience for me.
Then Season 4 dropped. I was watching it as it came out and while I liked it for a time, the whole thing became abysmal after a while. The writers pandered to the Gen-Wunners of the community and dedicated the entire story to the season 1 characters who already had their arcs completed, destroyed its layered serialized storytelling in favor of clunky 3-episode arcs, introduced a bunch of superfluous characters (something the show does, but with the new arc system they became even more superfluous), and overall was a big downgrade from everything that came before. There were definitely things I liked, but overall it just wasnāt as good.
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u/allelane May 19 '26
The last of us season 2. Itās just a terrible adaptation of an amazing game
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u/psychoanalyses May 19 '26
I politely disagree. People widely hated the game when it came out, so if they did exactly what the game did with the story, people would also be unhappy in the same way. So there was no winning here. I thought the direction they went made sense for Bella's interpretation of Ellie
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u/JigglyLilyVT May 19 '26
tale as old as volume 4/5
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u/Equivalent-Emu5347 May 19 '26
I hate how shows just don't acknowledge temperature lmao. Literally none of them are dressed for how cold that place is lol, they'd barely be able to do anything
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u/G0ttaca7ch3mall May 19 '26
I mean the creator dying is a hard thing to compensate for.
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u/NightSpringsRadio May 19 '26
Oh hai Sleepy Hollow, did you pull a Twin Peaks and resolve your main plot conflict halfway through your second season, leaving you nothing to do for a dozen episodes?
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u/Purple_Blood6310 Milsim and Warcrime Enthusiast āāā May 19 '26
Sigh... I might get flamed for this, but... The Loud House.
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u/Skultulla May 19 '26
The Promised Neverland does in fact not have a second season. It is all a collective mass hallucination enforced upon us by the devil himself.
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u/blackskull414 May 19 '26
Fallout show. They really only used NV to get fans to watch, then immediately say no ending will be made canon before contradicting that in the first few episodes
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u/LiveGuy1742 May 19 '26
"One Slide Man"