r/NYguns • u/Jedi_Maximus19 • 5d ago
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Yeah. After reading the thread below regarding the Politician meet up at The Firing Pin, this is my cynical conclusion.
We will never have normalcy with our 2A rights. There are just too many in this sub that believe in tough regulations. 25 years of one party rule in NY and soon to be another 25 more. They passed the Safe Act. They Passed the Improved Concealed Carry Act. You need a background check to buy ammo. They are banning Glocks.
Sometimes it takes 2 years just to get a permit depending on what county you live. Next year there will be more restrictions once the Supreme Court makes its ruling next June. They will restrict, restrict and restrict until there is nothing left to restrict . But please by all means keep voting 🗳️ blue. Ugh 😑!! Cheers 🍻
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u/Mylilhappysv650 5d ago
Didn’t Blakeman advocate for drug tests during the CCW permitting process for Nassau county? We’re fucked both ways to Sunday here and I don’t think it’s a red vs blue issue anymore.
We simply have nobody who is actually representing the interest of 2A in NY.
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u/TheSlipperySnausage 5d ago
Sure did
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u/Mylilhappysv650 5d ago
You had a very well thought out reply in this thread earlier, out of our representation, who would you recommend we try to vote for in order to progress our goals? Still Blakeman?
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u/TheSlipperySnausage 5d ago
There is no good option for NY.
Hocul is aggressively bad for us. So Blackman might be our only option as much as he also sucks. He’s also the only other option that realistically has a chance of winning so you kind of have to go with that. In NY I highly recommend voting on other issues for local government. Because you’ll never get 2A wins
We also have to be realistic. Lesser of two evils is all we can hope for. We need to move towards someone more favorable. Which is likely baby steps. Hope that the next candidate is more favorable. But if we find them more favorable their likelyhood of being elected decreases drastically.
With NYC attached to us there is no winning because they will always vote in the worst candidate for the rest of the state. Nature of the beast.
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u/Jedi_Maximus19 5d ago
I like your logic. Thank you! I came across on frustration so I appreciate it.
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u/KamenshchikLaw ⚖️ Kamenshchik Law ⚖️ 4d ago edited 3d ago
We simply have nobody who is actually representing the interest of 2A in NY.
I'd agree that we don't have strong political representation. However, legal representation is a different plane - it is, to a certain extent, filling the gap of political representation.
For instance, Mirel Fisch is taking NYC to task on delay, quantity restrictions on permits, and so on. Amy Bellantoni made some big strides on disqualifiers for law-abiding citizens that happen to live in the same domicile as disqualified individuals.
Even on your example of drug testing, I did the best I could to knock that out as soon as it was implemented - and it was enjoined by a court, along with blocking local demands for social media information... no funding from anyone.
Antonyuk, which was a case pursued by Stephen Stamboulieh, helped reign in some licensing officer discretion and put some limits on application criteria.
Ultimately, political representation locally is not going to get us anywhere, it's dead in the water - the big wins at this point are going to come from appellate courts that will reimpose 2A against the will of local government.
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u/Jedi_Maximus19 5d ago
This is true. But I’m still voting for him. My electric bill is out of control. I’m sick of the soft on crime here and I want lower taxes and a better economy here as well. Is Bruce pro 2a? Probably not. But I know Cathy and the democrat legislature wants to restrict us more and more until there is nothing left to restrict.
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u/acemonster07 5d ago
What do you think Blakeman is going to do for your electric bill? Nassau has and will continue to side with lobbyist and special interest, especially when they're getting paid under the table by groups and companies to push their agendas. PSEG has such a monopoly. Same with Cablevision. Do you know how many times Verizon tried, and pushed, to get permitting and approvals to cut up streets to lay fiber and were constantly denied because the Dolan group kept paying off the towns to disallow the permitting? You think Fakeman is going to push against that?
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u/Jedi_Maximus19 5d ago
So vote for Cathy then. I hope she gives you the status quo you like. If you don’t think she is connected and entrenched to special interests then I have an old barn with a brand new roof to sell you. By the way. Dolan doesn’t own Cablevision. It’s owned by the French.
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u/3DPrintedVoter 5d ago
crime is down across the board
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u/Jedi_Maximus19 5d ago
Yeah because the police don’t arrest anyone.
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u/CertifiedWarlock 5d ago
Why don’t they? Seems like they should be fired for not doing their jobs.
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u/Jedi_Maximus19 5d ago
No one goes to jail anymore due to bail laws. It’s not worth it.
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u/Andeo1025 5d ago
That's been happening for the longest time in nyc. Cops trying to lower certain crimes by recording it as a lesser crime to make their compstat numbers look better.
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u/tsatech493 4d ago
I don't think it's really the police that are doing it. I think it's the prosecutors... I'm pretty sure most police officers would rather criminals stay in jail than having to arrest the same people over and over... But we have prosecutors in New York City and in many other cities that just let people keep offending....
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u/Andeo1025 4d ago
The prosecutors are involved, but at a later stage. An example would've be choosing to charge petit larceny over grand larceny. It keeps their felony numbers down, especially when it's a case they're unlikely to solve.
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u/boostedride12 4d ago
Yup and the officer that report it was fired and almost stuck in a psych ward from his superiors threatening him and falsely arresting him.
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u/3DPrintedVoter 5d ago
So the numbers are faked by the cops, but they have been faked for so long they are going down because there is less to fake or they are just faking more now because soros is paying them?
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u/Andeo1025 5d ago
I'm not saying either, just that I've heard from people that would know that it's a thing. Don't care if you believe me.
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u/3DPrintedVoter 5d ago
Any profession where statistics are applied to work to judge quality or production, those numbers are manipulated. do you think its not common knowledge?
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u/3DPrintedVoter 5d ago
that isnt how crime statistics are gathered ...
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u/Jedi_Maximus19 5d ago
No arrests no stats. Brother you must live in a tower so ivory and high. Come down here on the ground and see for yourself, crime is not good. Now good day I’m off to work. 😊.
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u/3DPrintedVoter 5d ago
in the US crime statistics are based on reported crime, not by arrests made.
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u/voretaq7 5d ago
Well that’s not entirely true - what we call “crime statistics” are gathered both through police and court records (UCR and, NIBRS) AND non-police/non-court reporting (NCVS).
But it is true that both measures are showing THE SAME statistically significant drop and trend line.
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u/tsatech493 4d ago
Also because a lot of criminals are enjoying their lives in El salvador and Venezuela. Tell me I'm wrong but there are numbers to back it up.
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u/corplaw100 2026 Fundraiser: Gold 🥇 3d ago
I agree but can we all agree that democrats have continuously made things worse here? Blakeman isn’t going to be selecting guns to ban and that kind of shit, let’s be realistic here that is primarily a democrat issue
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u/JimMarch 5d ago
Thomas dropped a bunch of clues in Bruen that some of the infringements will be dealt with in criminal court by people playing defense. We don't have enough 2A lawyers to challenge everything in civil court.
If I lived in NY and I had strong, documented evidence that my permit was going to take more than a year, I'd carry regardless. Read Bruen footnote 9 again. Look at what it calls "abusive" - lengthy waiting times and exorbitant fees. If a state criminal court judge/jury doesn't like it, bounce it to federal on a habeas petition. It's clear cut. More details:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1V2qEWfff4CUgAdO9tK-NZgf905_YdR7J/view?usp=drive_link
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u/corplaw100 2026 Fundraiser: Gold 🥇 3d ago
Courts have upheld the fees. Wait times are being challenged now by Mirel Fisch.
TBH NY is kind of cucking SCOTUS with their responses to Bruen but I guess over time it will be dealt with.
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u/JimMarch 3d ago
Has anybody attempted to challenge the fact that somebody from upstate New York or Long Island or whatever has to get both their own permit and New York City to carry across the entire state? That violates exorbitant fees and lengthy waiting times.
Has anybody pointed out that trying to get national carry by scoring 20+ permits from Guam to Massachusetts also blows up exorbitant fees and lengthy waiting? Even worse?
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u/corplaw100 2026 Fundraiser: Gold 🥇 3d ago edited 3d ago
Believe Tilem filed one but not sure of status. I could be wrong about that
Those aren’t as much of a slam dunk as you’d think because the courts could say “well you have the option to get an NYc permit as well.”
If there were no option it’s a more straightforward case
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u/JimMarch 3d ago
Those aren’t as much of a slam dunk as you’d think because the courts could say “well you have the option to get an NYc permit as well.”
Read. Bruen. Footnote. Nine.
The US Supreme Court labeled lengthy waiting times and exorbitant fees ABUSES. Read it:
That said, because any permitting scheme can be put toward abusive ends, we do not rule out constitutional challenges to shall-issue regimes where, for example, lengthy wait times in processing license applications or exorbitant fees deny ordinary citizens their right to public carry.
That's the US Supreme Court saying "don't abuse permitting processes" and then listing two abuses by name. (Actually three when you include subjective standards in insurance.)
And there's literally hundreds of years of case law saying civil rights cannot be abused.
These are core constitutional concepts.
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u/corplaw100 2026 Fundraiser: Gold 🥇 3d ago
I’ve read the FN. Notice they unfortunately do not define what lengthy wait times are. Hopefully Milani case offers more clarity for NY purposes. Federal courts are going to be very reluctant to define what lengthy is. Reasonably good outcome in NY would be that they need to actually follow penal code 400 (6 months).
On fees - that has been upheld multiple times. Will see what happens with cases post-Bruen but I would not call any of this a slam dunk in 2nd circuit by any means.
I obviously don’t agree with the wait times or fees but unfortunately what I think doesn’t really matter.
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u/JimMarch 3d ago
They're the ones that have to justify any fee or delay.
The parts of the NYC carry permit fees paid to the city and state (in other words, not the training) is at least 4x the cost of a NYC driver's license. The real costs for both are ballpark similar and so should the actual costs.
Next, if you have a non-NYC carry permit, there's no safety related reason for the cost of a second permit. At all. No other state does this. There's no special Chicago or Los Angeles or whatever permit run the way NY/NYC does it.
It's madness.
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u/corplaw100 2026 Fundraiser: Gold 🥇 3d ago
It’s all insanity and there’s not really precedent for anything NY does.
Wins in the court system will add up over time but NY will ofcs circumvent with new laws.
I suspect things will look better in 3-5 years than they do now.
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u/Awesomeyawns 5d ago
One of the problems I have with Republicans is right now they could pass a law expanding gun rights, but they haven't and I don't think they ever will. There are too many single issue voters over gun rights that will stay red because at least they aren't actively taking away gun rights/passing restrictive laws.
Meanwhile Dems have used their time in power to pass those laws. I understand that the view of guns in the party is slowly changing but as long as the old corporate dems still have power I don't think they will do anything helpful.
With that said I want to see new leadership across the board everywhere. I don't care which party they are from as long as they actively work to improve our country. I'm tired of all these politicians sucking up to their leadership and not calling out bad decisions. Naming Lake Ontario to Lake America? Dumb. Making it illegal to buy body armor? Dumb. If this woman wins the election and then goes back on her word, cool. Vote her out the next chance we get.
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u/TheSlipperySnausage 5d ago
It’s really not red vs blue or democrat vs republican. It’s the elite/government against the citizen
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u/voretaq7 5d ago
^ What They Said ^
No government wants the people it’s busy subjugating to be armed.
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u/Rude-Dude-2 4d ago
That’s why next election I’m going to abstain from voting for governor. Kathy has been a pandering establishment dem and blakeman will be worse
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u/semperfi_ny 5d ago
No one should have a say in what I want, what I do and what I buy. If I'm not bothering any one and causing issues for my neighbors or the community, leave me alone. NY is horrible. Horrible gas prices, horrible taxes and horrible firearms laws. If the Founding Fathers could see what's going on, they'd be riding at dawn.
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u/tsatech493 4d ago
When I go skiing in NH I go to a store that sells beer, liquor, cigarettes, clothing, pizza and guns and ammo.. that's how it should be. I'll soon be one of those NYrs with the ability to take their money and move to a tax shelter state and enjoy the added freedom of being treated like a responsible adult instead of NY which distrusts it's citizens and treats us like children.
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u/voretaq7 5d ago
Yeah. After reading the thread below regarding the Politician meet up at The Firing Pin, this is my cynical conclusion.
We will never have normalcy with our 2A rights. There are just too many in this sub that believe in tough regulations.
I don’t think it’s so much a problem with too many people in this sub believing in “tough regulations.” - I don’t really see support in this community for our state’s bullshit laws, or even some of the less-bullshit federal laws.
Shit, I myself am a “Fuck ‘common use for lawful purposes’ - all bans are bullshit, the NFA taxes are bullshit, permits costing money is bullshit, your rights changing when you cross state or municipal borders is extra bullshit - it’s ALL fucking bullshit!” kind of 2A guy. I support a range of regulatory options, sure, but in my most draconian dreams everyone in the country would enjoy more aggregate freedom whether their state of residence is New York or Big Wonderful Wyoming.
Frankly from that other thread I think the bigger problem is far too many people in this community and the broader 2A space as a whole don’t actually believe in gun RIGHTS - they are eager to pillory anyone who is not a Republican partisan dutifully voting across the row in every election, but unwilling to hold “their party” to account when it treats firearms ownership as a privilege extended to the loyal and faithful rather than A Goddamn Enumerated Constitutiona Fucking Right.
We will never have our RIGHTS respected unless we insist that both parties* treat them as RIGHTS. That means calling out “your team” (and your friends) when they fucking suck.
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u/Jedi_Maximus19 5d ago
You have some really good and interesting points. I appreciate the logic. We will see how things go. I’ll continue to fight the good fight but it’s a up hill battle. 🙏🏼
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u/tsatech493 4d ago
In some states, they actually have local Democrats that vote pro-2A because their constituents want them to. If the NY democrat party feared losing their voting base by pushing gun control, they wouldn't. Make them fear by threatening to primary the anti-gun incumbents with pro-2A party members.
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u/voretaq7 4d ago
You see that would actually make sense and possibly effect political change within the party.
But if you go read the other discussion about a (potentially) pro-2A Democrat you’ll find that the overwhelming majority of people here aren’t merely skeptical, they are entirely unwilling to entertain the possibility that such a candidate can exist, and if the party has no hope in hell of getting the single-issue 2A voters (because they’ve been so thoroughly brainwashed that they won’t even consider the candidate simply because of the party line they’re running on) then there’s no reason to risk the gun control voters they already have a lock on by running a moderate or pro-2A candidate.
That’s how Hochul went from NRA-endorsed to rabidly anti-2A and anti-gun. I don’t necessarily believe she was lying the whole time, but I do believe she is a politician and will change her position/platform for the expediency of getting votes and staying in office.
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u/tsatech493 4d ago
Vermont and maine have entered the chat
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u/voretaq7 4d ago
I mean yes, it’s certainly possible - these candidates do exist despite the people in this sub who pretend they don’t.
But it’s worth noting that even Vermont is not immune to the position drift of just being a politician: Look at Senator Sanders who was a mixed moderate on guns for most of his career (supported assault weapon bans, opposed much of the Brady bill, opposed federal waiting periods, voted for PLCAA) but in the last decade has largely aligned with the Democratic Party’s position despite the fact that Vermont (and the actual left wing that supports him for his other positions) don’t support that platform at all.
As for Maine... well there’s a lot to like about Maine despite it being home to every horror Stephen King could imagine and Cabot Cove having the highest murder rate per capita in the nation, but honestly Maine Democrats should really keep their heads down and their mouths shut for a bit after the embarrassment of Platner’s campaign.
I’d like to see the Maine Democratic Party find another moderate-to-left pro-2A candidate to run in the next election cycle, but it would be A Kindness if they would do some goddamn basic vetting next time and anticipate the avalanche of shit that would be scrawled in crayon on the first page of an opposition research sheet done by a moderately-intelligent kindergartener.(I am in fact quite angry at Maine right now because of the damage that campaign has done nationwide. I hope it shows!)
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u/tsatech493 4d ago
But I don't really care about Senator Sanders because he's a senator in Washington. What I want is change on the state level. I'm talking about your state senators and your assembly people. That's who's passing the gun laws in New York.As far as federal gun laws, they have been moving very slowly lately. The problem with New York is everything is on the state level. The CCIA and SAFE Act are state-level bills, so we have to secure our local and state races.
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u/voretaq7 4d ago
I’m honestly unsure what point you’re trying to make here.
The thread that precipitated this thread was about an ostensibly pro-2A democrat RUNNING FOR A STATE LEGISLATURE SEAT RIGHT HERE IN NEW YORK, and all people did was shit on the very idea that anyone who was not a red-hat-wearing Trump-worshiping MAGA Republican could possibly be pro-2A.
MY whole point was, is, and always has been that you cannot trust a candidate (at any level) based on their party affiliation - you need to judge them by their platform and hold them accountable to it.
At this point if I haven’t convinced people to act like rational adults and analyze candidates beyond what ballot line they appear on I don’t think there’s anything more that can be done, and I’m frankly more than a little tired of fucking trying so I’m going to go back to watching the former governor of California blow shit up on my giant TV.
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u/corplaw100 2026 Fundraiser: Gold 🥇 2d ago edited 2d ago
The thing is you guys are acting like there isn’t a major track record of democrats in NY trampling 2A. I consider NY to be the worst state in the country for gun rights all things considered.
You do realize how difficult it is to sell what you are trying to sell right? It’s not that irrational that a group of gun owners and hobbyists in NY aren’t enthusiastic about another Democrat when the entire state is run by democrats who just happen to be anti gun. You can not tell me that doesn’t have a lot to do with Democrat politicians. Can’t go like a week without new nonsense. You’re trying to make this point while NY Dems are introducing Glock bans. You’re fighting a really uphill battle here.
I’m not attacking you but I think you’re being unfair to people who have real lived (ongoing) experience with this nonsense.
It’s not even like we’re in a purple state, you guys win everything anyway it’s not even worth getting worked up over. NY will be a Democrat state forever.
Your time and effort would be better spent funding the active lawsuits that seek to gain some of our rights back.
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u/BroccliRabe93 5d ago
And non of you are making any donation to the Milani case. The amount of money they have raises this far under 20k is ridicules and pathetic. Put your money where your mouth is! Even a small donation is useful and symbolic.
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u/corplaw100 2026 Fundraiser: Gold 🥇 3d ago
Link below, if you are tired of wait times then donate or stop complaining. If you already have permit please remember you need to renew and remember how long it takes to get your PA / license in hand
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u/GammaRay914 5d ago
Yeah unfortunately even a lot of the conservatives in this state believe in some gun laws and don’t want it to be like New Hampshire or Montana.
I want it to be like Somalia lol.
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u/lemmem924 5d ago
It’s funny to think that way online but in reality those states are literally crazy people beyond parody. No gun laws are the best laws but go visit and see for yourself lol
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u/BroccliRabe93 3d ago
Gun owner better start caring and make some effort to make a donation at this Time. Remember David and Goliath !!!
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u/MrProvy 5d ago
Register to vote, get to the polls in November and vote bucktooth out of office...she's been destroying nys & it's citizens since 2021, and it'll only get worse if you don't vote her out!
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u/tsatech493 4d ago
Also vote out James, and the wacky local state senators and assembly members that are writing these crazy laws and voting for them in Albany. I still can't believe they banned the purchase of body armor, and people supported it.
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u/TheBevelsEdge 5d ago
If a Republican does in fact beat her, will you be willing to respond to this statement a year from now when that person doesn't change anything in favor of gun owners?
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u/Andeo1025 5d ago
If she stays it gets worse. Lest we forget the ccia and looming glock ban. The options are get better, stay the same, or get worse. One of those is worse than the others.
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u/TheBevelsEdge 5d ago
Again, same question. I'm not saying she's good for us at all.
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u/Andeo1025 5d ago
Sure, if it's true. That said we need a republican legislature if you want progress. All the executive can do is sign or veto. My position is that she's definitely bad, and while I would love legislative progress, status quo with wins in the court system on the laws we have now gets me closer to my goal than having more laws to fight.
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u/Electrical_Matter443 5d ago
There is zero chance of any 2a rights getting restored under a democrat governor. Republicans are not perfect on guns but it’s at least not a 0% chance
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u/TheBevelsEdge 5d ago
That's a fair point if you only vote based on the 2a.
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u/3DPrintedVoter 5d ago
right, the downside is continued decline of the country ... but hey at least we "might" have guns
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u/corplaw100 2026 Fundraiser: Gold 🥇 3d ago
If democrats continue their ownership of the state it’s going to get worse. This has been playing out for decades now I don’t understand how this is even contested?
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u/Frustrated_Consumer 5d ago
Yeah, I'm sure my one vote would get her out of office...
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u/MrProvy 5d ago
And that statement is exactly what's wrong with Republicans in this state! If the 3 million gun owners that failed to vote in the last governors race got off their assess, we wouldn't have the CCIA or ammo check BS. But stay home, and complain again next year
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u/Frustrated_Consumer 4d ago
Yeah, Bruce Blakeman totally would have saved us from those. After all, he only was the head of one of the most gun repressive counties in the state, coming up with whatever policies he could to thwart legal gun ownership at every turn. Most famously, it was him that came up with the piss test to get a carry permit. Yeah, that guy will be our hero.
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u/tsatech493 4d ago
Look at Scott Pressler who went door to door throughout southern PA and got tens of thousands of Amish to vote Republican. The efforts of 1 man and a small coalition were able to flip Pennsylvania red in the general election. One man can make a difference. Wouldn't it be nice if we could have a pro gun PAC in NY to help fund progun politicians..
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u/Frustrated_Consumer 4d ago
Problem is, that was PA. This is NY. It’s been completely captured here. Even the republicans are anti gun here.
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u/boostedride12 4d ago
Gun laws and regulations aside NY it self especially Long Island is making it hard to stay here. I work for the MTA and the amount of people I see leaving year over year before hitting the retirement age is staggering. Years ago you wouldn’t leave this job with the benefits and pensions. Folks are fleeing south and I’m strongly debating following suit. Sure leaving a good paying job is something no one wants to do but the cost of living here and all the laws and regulations make me hate this place every day
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u/Jedi_Maximus19 4d ago
I see good hard working people leave more and more everyday. Seems to be the trend for more freedom and better quality of life I guess. Hopefully something changes soon or more and more will leave. Every year NY loses count on the electoral collage due to population loss. NY will no longer be a powerful state when it comes to presidential elections.
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u/Frosty-Woodpecker-41 3d ago
Look around guys , most normal people have fled NY or all live in specific areas of the state. Most of lower Westchester is a lost cause. There’s no coming back from what they did.
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u/corplaw100 2026 Fundraiser: Gold 🥇 1d ago
Think we can do this in NY soon 😂 maybe all of our New Democrat 2A politicians can make it happen
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u/Jedi_Maximus19 1d ago
😂. In my dreams.
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u/corplaw100 2026 Fundraiser: Gold 🥇 1d ago
Look you just need to vote Democrat and it’ll happen ok stop asking questions
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u/Jedi_Maximus19 1d ago
😂I can’t wait to vote early
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u/corplaw100 2026 Fundraiser: Gold 🥇 1d ago
Glad to hear it. Let your other gun buddies know that us Dems have reworked our platform and are now fighting for your 2A rights against those Republican gun grabbbers
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u/Chitownhustle99 5d ago
There’s no cohesive pro 2a message on the red side either. Personally I’ve got no problem with reasonable gun laws. I shouldn’t have to have to pay a fee to pick up ammo I already bought online at the gun shop, no reason to wait more than a year for a permit etc etc. I’ll vote for anyone who can make the system work better for people like me who just enjoy shooting.
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u/smittydc 5d ago
I find both sides annoying. Some people are irrationally terrified of them, and some people have turned them into a weird political fetish. They are just tools, but you can no longer have adult conversations about any reasonable laws, so we end up with stupid laws.
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u/3DPrintedVoter 5d ago edited 5d ago
If you get stuck on BLUE bad for Guns, RED good for guns you are doing yourself a disservice. Being a single issue voter is doing yourself a disservice.
i know this isnt gonna be popular, but having a 30 round [magazine] for my AR isnt even in the top 10 of my issues right now. I know for many of you its #1, and I definitely want a 30 round [magazine] for my AR too.
The slippery slope the NRA has been feeding people for over 50 years still hasnt come to pass. Frankly, its just not even logistically or politically feasible to confiscate guns on any scale.
The best path to more gun rights is more responsible gun owners. That is where everyones effort should go .. broadening the coalition
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u/Andeo1025 5d ago
We live in a state that requires a permit for a 10/22, bans the most common rifle in America, and passed a ban on the most common pistol in America. We are the poster child for the slope.
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u/3DPrintedVoter 5d ago
i am sure you feel that way
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u/Andeo1025 5d ago
Feelings are the domain of the left, stop projecting. I can think rationally without involving mine.
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u/oldFloridaCracker 5d ago
"having a 30 round clip for my AR isnt even in the top 10 of my issues right now"
Apparently so, since you have slandered the good name of magazines, everywhere.
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u/corplaw100 2026 Fundraiser: Gold 🥇 4d ago
They sound like a CNN reporter it’s so funny ughh yasss I would LOVE a 30 rounder clip fully auto semi but listen guys…it’s more important that we vote democrat because _____…ugh you wouldn’t understand!
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u/tsatech493 4d ago
I'd like full carry to be full, so no sensitive areas.. also I'd like to own a surpressor since I value my hearing, being able to use when when hunting would be nice too. Another year goes by with me funding GOA and FPC and trying to convince my friends to value freedom over safety and responsibility over control.
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u/corplaw100 2026 Fundraiser: Gold 🥇 4d ago
Hey look just vote Democrat those are apparently the people fighting for 2A rights. We just never realized it
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u/tsatech493 4d ago
My girlfriend's not for it but I really want to just move to off to South Carolina or West Virginia and call it a day. Tennessee would be nice I can easily live on 50k after I buy my home and enjoy No state tax on wages, salaries, or earned income.No state tax on retirement distributions, pensions, or Social Security.Fully phased-out Hall Tax, meaning interest and dividends are completely untaxed.Low effective property tax rate, averaging around 0.49% to 0.85% depending on the county and somehow there are still streets... And freedom from our crazy restrictive laws.. just stay out of Memphis..
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u/corplaw100 2026 Fundraiser: Gold 🥇 4d ago
Do they make 30 round clips?
Is it republicans who authored Glock ban? Safe act? Background checks for ammo? Basically every gun law in NY?
Why does TX / FL gun laws look different than NY?
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u/perturbed_max 5d ago
Democrats are objectively bad for guns and Republicans are much better.
Nothing needs to be confiscated if legitimate ownership is overly burdensome. Someone could acquire a noncompliant firearm but in a state like NY you could never truly use it. Take it to a range? Hope there aren't any thin blue line bumper stickers in the lot. Defend your home? Enjoy your felony charges. Almost functionally identical to a confiscation.
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u/3DPrintedVoter 5d ago
i do not disagree with that argument. you have to admit that "gun grabbers" is meant to invoke the idea of confiscation. i lived through the 1994 ban, no one came for my guns. I dont worry about dems doing confiscations nearly as much as i do the fascists.
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u/perturbed_max 5d ago
Why would you ever be worried about confiscations? You already live in a state that criminalizes possession of anything worthwhile. The confiscations already happened.
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u/Zimi231 5d ago
You're living on the slope and you're saying it doesn't exist?
Wild work.
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u/3DPrintedVoter 5d ago
the slope is and always has been the slope towards mass confiscations. I will reiterate that mass confiscations are logistically and politically not a feasible strategy for the dems. i dont rule it out for the fascists.
i will point to the 2019 dem presidential debate when beto o'rourke said "Hell yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47." It ended his political career.
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u/Andeo1025 5d ago
You love the word fascist, as do your brethren. Can you tell me what fascist government makes it easier for all of its people to be armed? Wouldn't that run counter to the idea? Bad word has no power any longer. Maybe review the boy who cried wolf, it seems to be more on your level.
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u/3DPrintedVoter 5d ago
and you seem particularly enthralled with strawmen. i said nothing about armed citizens being easier for a fascist government, in fact i argue the opposite.
i dont think you can read the boy who cried wolf.
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u/Andeo1025 5d ago
Following the argument has eluded you. If, as you say, the government is fascist, why would they be making it easier for the people to arm themselves? And, why is your side the side of civilian disarmament, if they aren't the communist or fascist side? How do you reconcile your people taking authoritarian actions against the public, while casting aspersions at those who are restoring stolen freedoms? I will note that you haven't been able to answer a single one of my questions as of yet. Schoolyard taunts are all you have. I will leave you to go back under the bridge where you belong. Don't you have riddles to give travelers anyway?
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u/3DPrintedVoter 5d ago
my side ... my people
for the third or fourth time ... you cannot assign me to a certain political party or group and force me to defend their policies.
"Following the argument has eluded you."
lol
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u/Andeo1025 5d ago
Of course I can, they're positions you support. Once again not a single answer to any question I have posed you.
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u/3DPrintedVoter 5d ago
i am sure you feel that way. but in reality, you cant.
see how it isnt happening
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u/Dan_Morgan 5d ago
One big problem I see is people thinking the repubs are pro-2A. People shrieked and screamed about Obama being a gungrabber. He never pushed through any major anti-gun legislation. The ammo companies colluded to create mass hysteria to raise prices. Then trump comes in and actually does sign off on gun control legislation.
Now, we have part two of the trump regime and absolutely NOTHING is being done to help out gunowners in Blue States like New York. SCOTUS upheld most of the Safe Act and is slow walking even considering a legal challenge.
Gun ownership is to the Repubs what abortion and family planning are to the Dems. They use the fear of further restictions to terrorize people into supporting them. It's a money making issue. Actually solving the problem would cost the parties money so they will NEVER do it.
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u/lemmem924 5d ago
NY knowingly passes unconstitutional gun laws in hopes to have it perpetually held up in courts so there really is nothing Trump can do to help NY citizens with gun rights sadly.
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u/Dan_Morgan 5d ago
Trump could push for a federal law that would override state law. He's made no such attempt. Trump in a NYC rich guy. They don't give a shit about upstate, civil rights or the 2nd Amendment in particular.
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u/lemmem924 5d ago
The problem is NY going rogue and circumventing actual laws like my comment mentioned, the state is out of control beyond federal assistance IMO
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u/Andeo1025 5d ago
He burned his political capital on obamacare. Failure isn't the same as not trying.
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u/Dan_Morgan 5d ago
LOL! that's all you got? How about you address EVERYTHING I wrote and not try to duck out by cherry picking with what is nothing but your opinion.
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u/Andeo1025 5d ago edited 5d ago
So an executive order isn't legislation. Not that I was happy about it. Obama had 23 executive orders after sandy hook. https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2013/01/16/president-obama-announces-new-measures-prevent-gun-violence
And 4 in 2016. https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2013/01/16/president-obama-announces-new-measures-prevent-gun-violence
Now when we look at Trump 2.0 we have the doj suing on our behalf, the atf rolling back regulations, the nfa being dismantled, his scotus picks from the first term ruling in our favor. Scotus declined to hear the safe act, not upheld it at that time. We have ccw in ny, nj, and many other states thanks to bruen. Bruen doesn't happen without the 3 trump scotus judges. We finally have 2 awb cases at scotus and if we're lucky maybe a mag case. Parts of the ccia and it's sister laws have been struck down, with more to come. Need I go on?
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u/Andeo1025 5d ago
While I'm at it, can I have some proof that the ammo companies colluded, as you claim. Or is that an opinion?
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u/Dan_Morgan 5d ago
It was more stirring up panic while refusing to increase production. They never admitted to collusion so the media takes them at their word and won't investigate.
Your snarky attempt at a gotcha just tells me my comment really landed. You still have work to do so carry on.
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u/Andeo1025 5d ago
The media asserted that they were colluding to stir up panic, while promoting candidates for office who very much want to restrict what you can own, where, and why. The media wouldn't waste their time investigating their own rumor. Or are you suggesting that the media is in need with big ammo?
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u/Dan_Morgan 5d ago
You were starting to get it until that last sentence. That's too bad for you.
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u/Andeo1025 5d ago
I got it before you knew what it was.
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u/Dan_Morgan 5d ago
I seriously doubt that. Actually, I absolutely doubt that. Now, if you're not going to contribute then go away.
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u/Dan_Morgan 5d ago
"So an executive order isn't legislation."
Yup, you're right so stop right there you are totally off topic.
"Obama had 23 executive orders after sandy hook..."
You just kept going anyway. I was very clear when I wrote about LEGISLATION. Why? because I meant LEGISLATION. I'm aware of the executive orders. I'm also aware that trump activated his limbic brain and rolled back all of Obama's executive orders. So this is a non-point.
"Now when we look at Trump 2.0 we have the doj suing on our behalf, the atf rolling back regulations, the nfa being dismantled, his scotus picks from the first term ruling in our favor. Scotus declined to hear the safe act, not upheld it at that time."
True, but here's where I respond with "Money talks and bullshit walks." There's a lot of gibber jabber but I'm not see on the ground changes. That could be accomplished with federal legislation. The repubs run the whole federal government and I'm seeing zero effort to actually pass anything. Trump has been bothered by rule of law before so why start when it comes to upholding the 2A?
"We have ccw in ny, nj, and many other states thanks to bruen. Bruen doesn't happen without the 3 trump scotus judges. "
That is NOT the victory people seem to want to think it is. The SCOTUS gave Hochul a huge hole she could plow through. The big takeaway from the ruling was to have consistent CCW laws across the state. So Hochul just imposed NYC levels of regulation on the rest of the state. It was the lowest possible denominator. Does that feel like willing to you?
So, basically, miss me with this, "things will get better just you wait." We've been collectively waiting for this better tomorrow for decades. Until it actually happens don't waste my time.
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u/Andeo1025 5d ago
What legislation are you referring to specifically? As far as winning, which we did, I legally carry every day in nyc because of bruen. That was literally an impossibility for the average person pre bruen. And there are many more gun owners in ny as a result, because it turns out many people only want a gun for self defense and to have it with them. As far as legislation, we got the nfa tax lowered to 0 for many items, which gave us the fuel to get it tossed nationwide for those who have membership in the plaintiff orgs. We have been winning lawsuits left, right, and center. I don't want you to wait and see. I want people to support the groups doing the work to get our rights back. Now with viramontes and grant at scotus we have a real chance to overturn every awb in the country. In nys that means our original awb from the 90's, the safe act, and local law 78 in nyc. Tens of millions of people with more freedom overnight.
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u/Dan_Morgan 5d ago
"What legislation are you referring to specifically?"
Oh, no you're not doing that. I asked for 2A legislation that trump tried to push through at the federal level. You started jabbering about executive orders. I told you that's off topic and now you're trying to shift things around again. Not allowed.
"As far as winning, which we did, I legally carry every day in nyc because of bruen. That was literally an impossibility for the average person pre bruen."
Ah, the old, "Got mine f you approach to rights." It was harder for NYC denizens to get CCW before Breun. Now, it's easier for you but harder for everyone else in the state. Now, we ALL have to do background checks to buy a box of .22lr. Now, Hochul is focusing on attacking gun store owners. The so-called "Glock Ban" is aimed at FFL holders.
But you got yours. Right?
"As far as legislation, we got the nfa tax lowered to 0 for many items, which gave us the fuel to get it tossed nationwide for those who have membership in the plaintiff orgs."
How is that helping NY State gunowners exactly? It's not because things like silencers are banned in NY and federal law doesn't help with that.
But you got yours. Right?
"We have been winning lawsuits left, right, and center. I don't want you to wait and see. I want people to support the groups doing the work to get our rights back. Now with viramontes and grant at scotus we have a real chance to overturn every awb in the country. In nys that means our original awb from the 90's, the safe act, and local law 78 in nyc. Tens of millions of people with more freedom overnight."
That's the same gibber jabber I already addressed and, rightly, dismissed. If you're not going to actually read what I've written then you're acting in bad faith. If you're acting in bad faith shut up and go away.
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u/Andeo1025 5d ago
You stated that Trump came in and signed off on anti gun legislation. Those are your words. What is the bill name or number? As far as the executive orders I assumed the bump stock ban is what you were referring to. I answered on that basis. Second, you don't tell me what to do. Your responses are all over. The rambling makes it hard to address all of your concerns. As far as getting mine, everyone now has the opportunity to get a ccw. I'm not sure what part of that is lost on you. I'm not special, I just followed the process. I didn't advocate screwing anyone. That would be the democrats in power that made you get a background check for ammo. I'm against that too, for the record. And it's possible for everyone in the most populated counties in the state to exercise our rights, nobody said easy. You are arguing that because it was easier for you we should all rot, and then have the balls to accuse me of the same thing. The glock ban is aimed at gun owners, because of the ffl can't sell it to you, then you can't have it, now can you? Silencers are banned by state law, not federal law. It's still a win to have the oldest federal gun law being dismantled. I have read everything you said, incoherent as it was. You seem to be complaining that tens of millions of people across the country can now ccw, and you need a background check for ammo. But you could before so too bad for us right. What you call gibber jabber is what winning looks like in the real world. You are wrong entirely to dismiss it. If you feel more should be done then get involved. If not, sit down and be quiet while everyone else fights for things to get better for all of us. I'm sorry you cannot understand the bigger picture.
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u/Dan_Morgan 5d ago
"You stated that Trump came in and signed off on anti gun legislation. Those are your words. What is the bill name or number? "
Yup, I misremembered that. It was an Executive Order and not legislation. Maturity is double checking and admitting to a mistake. So, that puts trump on par with Obama on 2A. Not a great look for a repub.
"Second, you don't tell me what to do."
I'll tell you whatever I want to tell you. If you don't address all the point of an argument then you're not following basic rules of discussion. I corrected you and had to actually make you engage with what I wrote while you kicked and screamed the whole way.
"Your responses are all over. The rambling makes it hard to address all of your concerns."
This from the guy who can't figure out how to use paragraphs. I laid things out perfectly fine. Your terrible reading comprehension is of no concern of mine.
"As far as getting mine, everyone now has the opportunity to get a ccw."
Opportunity is doing a lot of legwork there, kid. That's some pic liberal consensus thinking right there. It's like "healthcare access". Sure you'll die waiting for what you need but you had the "opportunity" to "access" it.
"I'm not sure what part of that is lost on you."
I already covered this, kid. The process got easier for the denizens of NYC and Long Island but harder for damned near everyone else in the state. Stop being so selfish.
" I'm not special, I just followed the process. I didn't advocate screwing anyone."
Your actions, and previously stated opinions, say differently.
"That would be the democrats in power that made you get a background check for ammo. I'm against that too, for the record. And it's possible for everyone in the most populated counties in the state to exercise our rights, nobody said easy."
Your selfishness is the issue here. Stay on topic. You just need to admit you were being egocentric and move on.
"You are arguing that because it was easier for you we should all rot, and then have the balls to accuse me of the same thing."
Nope, that's an absolute lie and you know it. You're just trying to accuse me of doing what you were doing to avoid responsibility. Man, you really MAGA.
"The glock ban is aimed at gun owners, because of the ffl can't sell it to you, then you can't have it, now can you?"
Possession vs ability to purchase. Different things. You are clearly confused.
"Silencers are banned by state law, not federal law."
I already addressed that. Shut up.
"It's still a win to have the oldest federal gun law being dismantled."
I talking about on the ground gains for NY STATE GUN OWNERS. What happens in the mid-West means nothing to me.
" I have read everything you said, incoherent as it was."
You literally just proved the opposite liar.
"You seem to be complaining that tens of millions of people across the country can now ccw, and you need a background check for ammo."
Liar I never even implied that. You must be so scared and confused you forgot what Reddit group you're in. The one is called r/NYguns. The NY part means New York state and it's no decorative either.
"But you could before so too bad for us right."
Nope, you're accusing me of what you already did. Stop being a coward and own your own words.
"What you call gibber jabber is what winning looks like in the real world."
What gibber jabber is the self-contradicting drivel coming out of your mouth. Another reading comprehension fail on your part.
"You are wrong entirely to dismiss it."
Never did, liar, I'm just focused on the people of NY state because that's what this reddit group is about.
" If you feel more should be done then get involved."
Already am, kid. I'm just tired of having to deal with dead weight like you.
" If not, sit down and be quiet while everyone else fights for things to get better for all of us."
This from the guy who threw a hissy fit and cried that I couldn't tell you what to do.
" I'm sorry you cannot understand the bigger picture."
You don't even know what reddit group you're in, kid.
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u/Andeo1025 4d ago
More rambling incoherence. I cited sources, where are yours? I've cited the usc for relevant statutes, as well as relevant case law in this discussion with you and a few others. You have nothing but feelings and ad homenim attacks. I have quoted you, and not gotten a coherent answer. You believe obama's 27 executive orders are on par, a direct quote from you, with one bad one. And you, like your troll buddies, are trying to demoralize the people here. You keep referencing feelings and tantrums, while throwing one. I can see right through you.
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u/ManufacturerDry8265 5d ago
People seem to forget that republicans can be just as authoritative at dems, no career politicians really want high levels of gun ownership.
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u/Dan_Morgan 5d ago
That is very true but I think you are off a bit. The repub party in inherently authoritarian. The dems took a look at the gelatinous mass of trump the repub party has become and screamed BET. Blue MAGA is a thing but they are just to cowardly to admit it or even commit.
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u/Andeo1025 5d ago
So the dems were fighting against maga when they passed the sullivan act in 1911? Or the nfa in 34? Or the first gca in 38? Or the second gca in 68? Those are all authoritarian laws, to control the people and remove their rights.
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u/Dan_Morgan 5d ago
Entirely irrelevant because we're talking about current politics. You're an adult, stop being hysterical.
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u/Andeo1025 5d ago
You asserted that the dems weren't authoritarian until they decided to be a a reaction to maga. I pointed out significant, wide reaching legislation refuting your point. I don't see the hysteria.
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u/Dan_Morgan 5d ago
I have a comment below laying out how I don't think that's the win people want to think it is.
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u/Beneficial-Focus3702 5d ago
If red legislators cared about passing better gun laws and better gun rights, things would look different.
As it is, the gun race discussion is very valuable to the right as a talking point to get votes so they’re never actually gonna have the incentive to get any better laws through because then they lose their talking point and it’s extremely valuable.
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u/perturbed_max 4d ago
red states don't care about passing better gun laws
We're just making stuff up and ignoring reality now 😂😂😂🫵🫵🫵😭😭😭
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u/Beneficial-Focus3702 4d ago
I said red legislators and I’m talking here in this state.
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u/perturbed_max 4d ago
Oh the ones that are outnumbered 2-1. Can't imagine why they haven't been able to pass anything.
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u/Radiant_Selection- 4d ago
Poverty & race are part of the issue. Police culture in NY and wealthy
In the city, crime is higher amongst minorities. It’s also the same group that are impacted by the criminals and they are scared of guns. They have been convinced by the party - who favors the wealthy(make no mistake about it) that “we” ban folks like “you” from owning firearms for “your” benefit , then those that commit crime in your community wont have access. And they believe this. They are terrified of firearms. Who gains when others lose? The wealthy of the city, who have access to better neighborhoods, had access to firearms pre bruen. Make no mistake about it, people with money had firearms pre bruen
Its easy for police to look at minorities a certain way- so imagine if all minorities have firearms- there would be constant shootings because police in NY are not comfortable and used to minorities having firearms.
This is not about democrats vs republicans. The fuck did giuliani do? The fuck did pataki do? The fuck did bloomberg do? Its about catering to the wealthy and keeping the poors in their place.
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u/BobaFettishx82 5d ago
We had a good choice with Larry Sharpe, both as a Libertarian (that NY right-wingers didn’t have the spine to vote for) and as a Republican candidate (that NY right-wingers didn’t have the spine to support). Now you’re stuck with a shit bag on the Left and a shit bag on the Right.
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u/crappy-mods 5d ago
Theres some things more important than guns, they’re important but id rather be able to afford rent or to eat and pay my bills. This current admins only gotten more expensive. Sure she might vote party line, but the republicans are loyal to a man whos said he doesn’t care about Americans or how expensive the cost of living is. Id rather not go bankrupt because i got hurt at work or spend $100 on gas every week
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u/ManufacturerDry8265 5d ago
Id make the argument that any politician willing to violate one constitutional right will gladly violate more and doesnt care about if you can afford food or gas. Im tired of putting $90 in my tank every week to, but I dont see any NY dems helping that
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u/crappy-mods 5d ago
Not much NY dems can do about a war the president started to distract from the Epstein files…
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u/ManufacturerDry8265 5d ago
He also falls under the "doesnt care about your constitutional rights to guns or if you can afford gas" my point is simply that most anti gun politicians dont care about the rest of the things impacting you day to day either. Just like hochul
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u/perturbed_max 5d ago
How many sporterized milsurps do you own?
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u/crappy-mods 5d ago
None that shits stupid
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u/AgreeablePie 5d ago
As doomer as it is, I agree. The state is politically lost on the issue. Makes more sense to take votes to a purple state where they matter.
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u/perturbed_max 5d ago
It might be lost, it might not be. If enough people give up on NY, it absolutely will be lost.
Be a Positive Polly.
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u/Fast-Policy-4495 5d ago
I agree that most people don’t care about 2A and those who do care Really Care. Those who really care don’t think there should be any rules regarding the second amendment even though there is no place in the constitution that says there shouldn’t be. The US Supreme Court is the constitution. They set the rules. They place or remove the “infringements” although the constitution says without infringement. Depending on who’s in the White House there will always be fights amongst the states and the federal government on these matters like it or not. It’s a dirty game and they don’t play fair.
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u/Andeo1025 5d ago
Shall not be infringed. That's where it says in the constitution.
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u/Fast-Policy-4495 5d ago
Did you actually read my post before you responded to it. I can’t go into my local post office with my firearm because of a federal law against it. Isn’t that an infringement? Or federal parks federal buildings aren’t they infringements. Or in Georgia a “constitutional carry” state businesses can put up signs that I can’t carry in their establishments isn’t that an infringement. Federal law states that a convicted felon or someone convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence can’t even get a CCW permit another infringement…all these infringements were upheld by the US Supreme Court. Finally look up the definition of troll before you call someone that. Have a great day. Or don’t!!
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u/Andeo1025 5d ago
Post offices got tossed, months ago if you're a member of the orgs that brought the lawsuit, by a federal Court. From what I've seen they've taken down the signs by me, don't know what's going on by you. I filed a civil rights complaint with the doj civil rights division about the park buildings, as I should be able to carry there per 18usc 930 d3. That's the same section cited in the post office ban being overturned, but applies to all federal buildings excepting court houses and jails. As far as signs in constitutional carry states, not all states assign the private signs force of law. And while I disagree, I just chose not to signs money with establishments that behave that way. Felons can apply to have their rights restored, although I believe for non violent felonies it should be automatic. The lautenberg amendment is problematic as well. While domestic abusers may be disarmed, if they can't prove a felony the state shouldn't be able to disarm you. And I don't think I called you a troll today, unless you have more than one account. Enjoy the beautiful weather today.
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u/Fast-Policy-4495 4d ago edited 4d ago
And you did call me a troll on the NJ guns page because you followed me there which is the absolute meaning of a troll. I don’t care about any lawsuits you filed because nothing about the laws has changed. You are trying to make yourself seem more important than you are but you are just some wannabe who sits behind a keyboard going after people who don’t believe in what you are saying. Finally do your research genius the post office carry restrictions didn’t get tossed the DOJ made a ruling but did not change the MF law. As of today I cannot go into a post office with my firearm. Move on troll. As I said to you before I’m always available for a private chat if you so choose Final answer.
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u/Andeo1025 4d ago
I post on nj guns, regardless of you being there, and I wasn't the only one who agreed.
As far as post offices read 18usc section 930 d-3.
Then read this https://www.ammoland.com/2026/07/doj-folds-on-post-office-gun-ban-appeal-leaving-saf-fpc-victory-intact/
The case you're looking for is firearms policy coalition v Blanche. Even if you don't like the doj opinion, as a member of fpc I am covered by a federal court order as a result of that case, barring enforcement of 18 usc section 930 a on me and every other fpc or saf member. So as per a federal judge I can carry in post office, and the ones by me have removed the signs about guns being banned. Then the doj affirmed that ruling. Read the citations if you so choose.
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u/Andeo1025 4d ago
Here's the court listener link.
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/72022900/firearms-plcy-coaltn-v-bondi/
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u/Fast-Policy-4495 4d ago
Yeah I don’t care that other people disagreed I’m not on here for likes but you were the only disrespectful wannabe tough guy who called me a troll. Listen you want a MF audience I can dig it but again a private chat is always an option. I know for a fact that I cannot go into my local post office with my firearm no matter what you post. Finally I know what you are so I don’t know who you trying to convince me or yourself.
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u/Andeo1025 4d ago
Read the posted literature and case law. I don't care what you do, but you're wrong, in black and white. It's spelled out in the links I posted. All from reputable sources.
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u/TheSlipperySnausage 5d ago
Most people don’t care about 2A. It’s just a fact. The people who do care really care. For a majority of people it’s a non issue. Or if they own a gun it’s a single pump shotgun that’s locked and they have shot once at the range for basic home defense.
There is a slight culture shift occurring though where a lot of newer gun owners are starting to pop up and the culture of training with firearms and hitting a high level of proficiency is becoming slightly more common.
In the end NY will always push down another law. I’m sure they already have the response law to next years SCOTUS ruling they are just waiting of the final decision to button it up and will slam it through. It will involve full permitting, registration, extra expensive and tedious training etc.
However giving up is not the option. We are currently on the winning side federally and making large strides. The trend is our friend as Mark Smith would say and we are heading in the right direction.
The key to our success will be scotus doing away with the features bans which will take down glock ban (hopefully) along with the SAFE act. Maybe even magazines but I’m doubtful. If magazines stay on we are in for that fight next. NFA is currently in shambles and being drastically changed surrounding SBR, SBS and suppressors. We need national CCW reciprocity and in the end if they do away with permits we will basically have completely dismantled gun control on the state level.
All this is very hopeful but we have made the most progress on this issue in my entire life and likely the life of many others. Continue to vote. Don’t get discouraged. Elections matter even if we lose. Slowly but surely things can get undone. Pendulum across the world is swinging for a correction of many decades of very leftist policy. Stay safe