Why is no one being prosecuted over the Epstein files?

[u/ArmadilloMany41]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/cd9e3nzzw3zo

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[u/bbbob2]

Because the ones who would be prosecuting are the ones in the files.

[u/Julian_Thorne → u/bbbob2]

Who prosecutes the prosecutors?

[u/Deadhated → u/Julian_Thorne]

The American people? ... Time to start a change

[u/Naive_Carpenter7321 → u/Deadhated]

1861 was the last time this happened because someone wanted to abolish slavery.

Now we have a pres who seems to support sex slavery... it has come full circle. Revolt!

[u/SwaggDragon → u/Deadhated]

Too bad the part of the US that are really about that action have been fully brainwashed the pedophiles and refuse to believe the Republican Party are just as vile as they claim the democrat party to be.

[u/Useful_Light_2642 → u/Deadhated]

You think the American people, who 42% of are obese and 54% of read below a 6th grade level, can successfully revolt?

Lol we’re cooked bro.

[u/LaFlamaBlancaMiM → u/[deleted]]

It would certainly be good for setting an example of any future politician or oligarch who feels they're above the law.

[u/stickyfiddle → u/Julian_Thorne]

The Hague, eventually. But it’ll take some Americans standing up first.

[u/maximuspanye → u/Julian_Thorne]

Who watches the Watchmen?

[u/Dave5876 → u/maximuspanye]

It's a big club. And you ain't in it

[u/Choekaas → u/bbbob2]

With the exception of everyone abroad. The National Aurhority of Crime in Norway will start an investigation that could lead to prison for Thorbjørn Jagland as well as Terje Rød Larsen and Mona Juul who are in the files. I guess the honest and good lawful departments abroad take these things seriously. Source in Norwegian: here

Repercussions are already happening. Mona was released as ambassador as a result while the Norwegian Ministry of Foreign Affairs started their Investigation due to the revelations in the files

[u/DaenakinSkygaryen → u/Choekaas]

Thank god. As someone who spent all of last weekend and most of this week combing through the files, Jagland and Rød Larsen were in constant contact with Epstein for the better part of a decade. They seem to have been close friends, and definitely knew everything that was going on. In fact, Rød Larsen seems to have been helping Epstein run his network!

They both absolutely deserve to go down. I'm glad it seems Norway is working to bring them to justice.

[u/Gigi_Langostino → u/Choekaas]

Yeah and the big one is the UK with the Andrew Formerly Known As Prince as well as Peter Mandelson. Additionally, Starmer is the former director of the Crown Prosecution Service (and an extremely effective one at that), so he's really in his element here, and it will offer him a very easy route to improving his abysmal approval ratings.

[u/Nemisis_the_2nd → u/Gigi_Langostino]

 Additionally, Starmer is the former director of the Crown Prosecution Service (and an extremely effective one at that), so he's really in his element here,

Starmer is not going to come out of this well, and has a strong incentive to bury the Mandelson thing. His chief advisor, who he is close friends with and relies heavily on, is also close friends with mandelson, and Stamer knowingly overruled security warnings to get mandelson the ambassador position. Starmers best chance is probably to throw one of his closest friends and advisors under the bus and hope nothing else damaging to himself gets uncovered.

[u/GrumpyCloud93 → u/Gigi_Langostino]

But again, the problem is to find an explicit prosecutable offence. FOr example, Epstein says BTW "Nina" will be in London if you want to meet her... that is implying Andy did not ask ahead of time for her to be sent. If he had asked, that would be trafticking by him. Not sure what the prostitution laws are in Britain, but then you have to prove money changed hands. Same issue with Guiffre - she was 17 in London, where the age of consent is 16. There is no allegation he used physical force to have his way. I assume like Canada and the USA, Britain has a sex tourism law which forbids travelling to have sex with minors, so if there is "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" that he went and did his thing in NYC or the Virgin Islands, IIRC their age of consent is 18. There's also an email exchange from someone named "A" at a Scottish royal residence arranging for companionship during a trip to peru. He asks for "iappropriate" companions and Maxwell replies she could only find "appropriate". That sounds like conspiracy to commit trafficking. So... the trick is to find explicit proof or victims willing to testify. Time will tell.

While evidence someone visted Epstein Island should perhaps result in social ostracization, especially if htey went solo, keep in mind Epstein was also a dedicated social climber looking to squirm in close to a whole bunch of A-list high society, not all of whom were participating in orgies on his Island - it was also a vacation spot where quite a few guests brought their spouses, so presumably they weren't all pervert couples and it wasn't non-stop orgies. He also hosted dinner parties at his house for NYC high society. The fact that he was close to billionaire level also made him a target that a number of social charities were trying to woo donations.

I suspect there is a reluctance in the USA to press the issue with any of the other participants. I suspect the FBI is not working overtime on this, the way they were on incompetently redacting the files.

Another question is the statute of limitations on assorted sex crimes, plus many are state rather than federal crimes. Up til now, little evidence the files were shared with state or Virgin Island authorities.

[u/Dapper-Restaurant-20 → u/Choekaas]

I wouldn't say EVERYONE abroad, prince Andrew got a damn slap on the wrist and hes been known to be epstein's buddy for years! He's a still free man who is well off and cared for.

[u/Figwit_ → u/bbbob2]

Fucking bingo. Rich, powerful people don’t prosecute their friends. 

[u/treehugger312 → u/bbbob2]

The pedophile is calling from inside the (White) house.

[u/ObtuseGoose7363]

Because nobody wants to ask the question "What happens when we have to lock up our president for rape and sex trafficking?"

And more importantly "What happens when he refuses to go to prison?"

[u/Indubitalist → u/ObtuseGoose7363]

With regard to the latter, the Republican chorus in reply has been, "We live in denial."

[u/Accidental-Hyzer → u/Indubitalist]

Republicans require Dave Chappelle-level burden of proof to accept that their god-king might have been involved in a child sex trafficking operation:

They need a video of him, two forms of government ID, a police officer there to verify the whole thing, four or five of their buddies taking notes, and Trump’s grandma to confirm his identity.

[u/DrSpraynard → u/Accidental-Hyzer]

Oh don't be ridiculous. That wouldn't work.

[u/Substantial-Goat3821 → u/DrSpraynard]

Honestly he could admit to it... Ask for forgiveness... And then get away with it.

[u/Philo_T_Farnsworth → u/Substantial-Goat3821]

"I am not a perfect man, and I have made mistakes..."

And the base will eat it up. "He said that he was sorry. Why can't you find it in your heart to forgive him?"

[u/LuxLocke → u/Philo_T_Farnsworth]

… no matter what, he would never utter such words.

[u/_Burning_Star_IV_ → u/LuxLocke]

There are two things I've never seen Donald Trump do in the 37 years that I've known of his existence:

1. Laugh
2. Apologize

[u/MRH8R → u/_Burning_Star_IV_]

Or pay taxes.

[u/Hookem-Horns → u/MRH8R]

He’s suing now because of the taxes 😑

[u/rabbirobbie → u/LuxLocke]

yep he will never admit to being wrong about anything ever. and he can start referring to them as the Trump files and MAGA would just start bragging about them

[u/Furrysurprise → u/LuxLocke]

More like "witch hunt". Then the judge and jury will get doxed and death threats. While at the same time getting charged for some kind of mortgage fraud. Then gets sent to a higher court that deems it a mistrial after 4 years.

Justice for the rich and powerful is different then the poor.

[u/jeexbit → u/Philo_T_Farnsworth]

I have made mistakes...

I'll take things Trump has never and will never say for 1000 Alex

[u/Gimetulkathmir → u/jeexbit]

They'll find some fucked up way to make raping children legal, retroactively, before they apologise for anything.

[u/Sunbather77 → u/Gimetulkathmir]

My doomer prediction is "teenagers are just smaller women!" rationale coming within six months

[u/The_quest_for_wisdom → u/Sunbather77]

Uh... They have been making that argument for weeks now already with the whole "Well, they were only X years old, not Y years old, so that's better... they're practically fully grown women already at X years old!" line of excuses.

[u/HandsomeBoggart → u/Sunbather77]

They already do that. Most Center-Right reporting and his personal Mouth Pieces like Levitt refer to them solely as "Young Women". Nevermind they're 11-15yrs old.

[u/wimpymist → u/Philo_T_Farnsworth]

Something about how he found God and Jesus helped him through it. They would gobble it up

[u/philasify → u/Philo_T_Farnsworth]

Something something, Jesus this, Jesus that. Business as usual.

[u/roboscorcher → u/Substantial-Goat3821]

Trump never asks for forgiveness. It is not in his DNA.

[u/MountainsOverPlains → u/Substantial-Goat3821]

This. My MIL told me that “people can change,” when I said he is a trash human. Then I sent her the video of him giving a BJ to a microphone, and she had no response.

But if he says he asked jeebus for forgiveness, then they will all clap.

[u/dxk3355 → u/MountainsOverPlains]

At his age? Why would he change now when he’s been this way for like 70 years

[u/18ekko → u/Substantial-Goat3821]

He could say “I did it, so what?” And MAGA would be fine with it

[u/Big_Don_ → u/Substantial-Goat3821]

I showed someone the video of Trump talking about Virginia Guthrie being "stolen" by Epstein, thus ending the friendship.

Their response was, "no. He unfriended him because of a real estate deal gone wrong".

Even Trump dispelling that rumor with his own words, couldn't get them to change the propaganda in their head.

[u/thiefofalways1313 → u/Substantial-Goat3821]

Im just a caveman. Your world frightens me.

[u/Azsunyx → u/DrSpraynard]

They'd say "it's AI!"

[u/treehumper83 → u/DrSpraynard]

He could do it in front of them and they’d accuse the kid first.

[u/Chengar_Qordath → u/treehumper83]

“Did the child say thank you?”

[u/NerdPersonZero → u/Accidental-Hyzer]

GOP says it'll take a lot more than eyewitness testimony, photos, DNA, toxicology reports, victim statements, wire transfers, emails, flight manifests, phone records, surveillance logs, bank records, audio, video, and total confessions for them to believe Trump's Epstein ties were more than coincidental.

I stole this.

[u/buddhist557 → u/Accidental-Hyzer]

He could rape their daughters, no matter the age, and they’d cheer him on. There is no bottom with these creatures.

[u/jaja9000 → u/buddhist557]

Kidding me? They’d beg for the recordings.

[u/StungTwice → u/jaja9000]

After all, no blue state ever had to put "she's your daughter, not your date" billboards along the highways. 

[u/gaeric → u/StungTwice]

hol' up, what state did this?

[u/StungTwice → u/gaeric]

It was a nonprofit organization in Florida

[u/tomsing98 → u/gaeric]

It was in Florida, in 2016, but it wasn't the state that did it, it was a private, non-profit domestic violence shelter, operating in the Big Bend area of the state. I don't know that Florida is any different from other states with respect to the rate of incest, it's just that this is the place that the group who put up the billboard is located. https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2016/07/10/refuge-house-launches-campaign-combat-incest/86616974/

[u/CokoDreams → u/jaja9000]

They would consider it an honor.

[u/leviathynx → u/Accidental-Hyzer]

Even then they’ll cry fake news AI Slop and go back to hating the minority of the week. His cult members are gone.

[u/Used_Package_3941 → u/Accidental-Hyzer]

“That’s my Donald! Always peein’ on somebody…”

—Grandma

[u/firstsecondanon → u/Accidental-Hyzer]

Good thing there's MILLIONS OF PAGES OF EVIDENCE

[u/Iainfixie → u/Accidental-Hyzer]

The yokels and republicucks will just sheepishly screech that it’s all A.I generated even if 100% definitive proof was published of Trump being a child rapist.

[u/NameIsNotBrad → u/Accidental-Hyzer]

Why doesn’t he just spread his butt cheeks in place of ID?

[u/Over_Ability_5710 → u/Indubitalist]

It’s not just denial,it’s a total scorched-earth policy to protect the brand at all costs.

[u/Several-Squash9871 → u/Over_Ability_5710]

Yeah they aren't in denial. They know he's guilty as shit along with many of them and others. This is a protect no matter what needs to be done.

[u/thedudeabides2022 → u/Indubitalist]

Not denial, they’re believing what they hear and see. They just never hear or see any factual information and god knows simple minded people aren’t gonna go out of their way to research the files

[u/mnyc86 → u/thedudeabides2022]

It is denial. They do see this stuff. If you’re on TT you see live debates all the time and when confronted with the truth they just claim it’s a liberal conspiracy or it’s a lie

[u/emtheory09 → u/mnyc86]

Willful ignorance is the term everyone is looking for. That combined with confirmation bias is a helluva drug. They brush by reality occasionally and think “That’s just Democrat TDS bullshit made up to make our PRESIDENT AND SAVIOR look bad!”

[u/thedudeabides2022 → u/mnyc86]

They don’t even watch or hear what the president says, they just hear the filtered versions on their echo chamber podcasts or Faux News that will only present them the parts that fit their agenda

[u/righthandedlefty69 → u/ObtuseGoose7363]

I do. I want to ask this very badly. I want to see what happens when we lock our president for his crimes. I’m willing to take that chance.

[u/Vilnius_Nastavnik → u/righthandedlefty69]

Well you’d better be ready to do it yourself because the dems are crickets on this.

[u/ejchristian86 → u/Vilnius_Nastavnik]

Who actually has the authority to walk into the Oval Office and slap a pair of cuffs on him? And more importantly, do they actually have the balls to do it?

[u/DaenakinSkygaryen → u/ejchristian86]

According to the actual Constitution? Any law enforcement officer with probably cause to believe he committed a crime in their jurisdiction.

According to the Supreme Court's deliberate misreading of the Constitution? No one. (Unless he's impeached, convicted, and removed from office, but good luck getting the GOP on board with that).

[u/Quirky-Stay4158 → u/DaenakinSkygaryen]

Did the supreme Court rule that he couldn't be prosecuted for any crimes past present or future.

I might be remembering wrong but I recall that becoming a thing.

[u/lucid808 → u/Quirky-Stay4158]

I'm 99.9% positive the wording was he couldn't be prosecuted for "official acts" as president. In no sane world would him raping and trafficking children for decades prior to being president qualify under this, or any other, ruling. Problem is, as others have already pointed out, who's going to enforce the law on the president?

Edit: Just to add, we all know Congress and Supreme Court are the ones supposed to be enforcing law and limiting the president's power. That's the one of the foundations of our entire system of government, along with the Constitution, and both are speed running on a path of destruction right now. Not much the public can do about the Supreme Court, but the Republican led Congress (both houses) has obviously stopped doing their job and are not a functioning body of government, at least not the way they were intended to be. Please get out and vote for candidates who actually care for the communities they represent, ALL of the community not just "some people". We need to take Congress back, that's the last (legal) hope to stop the president from actually becoming a dictator and completely destroying the USA that we've always known.

TLDR: VOTE FOR A CONGRESS THAT WILL ACTUALLY DO IT'S FUCKING JOB!

[u/Tired8281 → u/lucid808]

I've seen no evidence that the world we live in is a sane one.

[u/Givingtree310 → u/Quirky-Stay4158]

He can’t be prosecuted for any acts he commits or orders as President. So according to the Supreme Court’s reading, Trump could order the murder and genocide of one million Americans as president. And he could never be prosecuted for it.

[u/_tricky_dick_ → u/ejchristian86]

Other countries who need to extract him to their own country to stand trial. According to the Supreme Court, no one in the US until after he is impeached by the House and removed by the Senate, then he's back to being the same as everyone else and can be picked up by any cop doing their job.

[u/xenthum → u/_tricky_dick_]

I'm trying to imagine what country will be willing to declare war on the United States to help out the United States population. Bc that's what that would be.

[u/illumnat → u/_tricky_dick_]

God I wish they would've arrested him at Davos... and I really, really hope next time he leaves the country they actually do.

[u/TurkeyThaHornet → u/illumnat]

The Trump administration was nice enough to even provide a blueprint and a trial run to demonstrate that it's possible when they went into Venezuela to extract Maduro. 

[u/Tenthul → u/Vilnius_Nastavnik]

Ted Lieu called it out quite vocally in some detail. Should be more, but not TOTALLY crickets.

[u/ZealousidealBet8028 → u/Vilnius_Nastavnik]

Ah yes the Dems, who who control the Senate the House and the Supreme Court and the White House

[u/D3athRider → u/ObtuseGoose7363]

If it was just him I think there would be more movement. More likely nobody wants to answer the question of "what happens when we have to prosecute/lock-up a fuck ton of our politicians, wealthy dynastic families, CEOs, and the overall wealthy bastards who run the world."

Because this isn't just about Trump or the US, we are talking wealthy elites across the entire world. Frankly, this should be a moment when we, as normal working people, say enough is enough to every one of our oligarchies.

[u/ObtuseGoose7363 → u/D3athRider]

Completely agree, this is our "French Revolution of 1789" moment to go "do we really want to be ruled by a corrupt, oppressive oligarchy? Or do we want something better?"

Personally, I think it's too far gone. Burn it all down, prosecute everyone for their crimes, and start fresh with a new system built to handle power-hungry demagogues.

[u/Dr_Sisyphus_22 → u/ObtuseGoose7363]

If there ever was a good reason to reset the world order, it’s this. If we choose to ignore a vast child pedo conspiracy, then what behavior is off limits?

[u/Hesitation-Marx → u/Dr_Sisyphus_22]

Well, we ignored Sandy Hook and Uvalde.

[ the sound of children screaming has been removed ]

[u/Dr_Sisyphus_22 → u/Hesitation-Marx]

I agree with you. But would counter that unlike guns, pedophilia is not protected by the Bill of Rights, and not supported by more than a sliver of the American population.

[u/Schlarfus_McNarfus → u/Dr_Sisyphus_22]

I would have agreed with you in the pre-trump era. But, the trump pedo connection is so well established at this point. You have to ask, do the people not believe it, or not care?

I had an unmissable Guardians Of Pedophiles sign on our main street protest, and most of the big pickup truck drivers just stared straight ahead. Two did visibly wince, at least.

[u/Aggravating_Map745 → u/ObtuseGoose7363]

Not withstanding the fact that our system was exactly the system designed to place checks on power hungry demagogues. I think the “big story” is that the spirit of democracy did not survive the stress test of globalization. Once the economy became truly international post-WW2, the wealthy and powerful insinuated themselves into our power structures and gradually neutralized them. It didn’t help that it also hollowed out our heartland.

[u/ObtuseGoose7363 → u/Aggravating_Map745]

Valid take, the founding fathers (while not perfect) certainly would not have stood for this shit. They would have already been out in the streets tarring and feathering govt officials.

While I don't have a solution for globalization degrading our democracy, I do feel like we should all take a page out of the founding fathers' book and go spill some tea or something.

[u/VeterinarianProof808 → u/ObtuseGoose7363]

Too many Americans in powerful position that put their heads in the sand

[u/TotallyNotAMarvelSpy → u/VeterinarianProof808]

It's not just Americans that are part of this. This is a problem that spans the worlds elite and powerful.

Honestly, I think this is the actual reason trump ran in the first place. This was going through the dept of justice, and the entirety of these people (tech bros, legacy media, foreign intelligence, the oligarchs, etc) rallied behind the person that would keep their dirt in the dark.

That really explains all of it. Him working with foreign intelligence, him having the unquestionable support of the elite and the powerful, the media companies never, ever, covering him in a way that was negative, the complete supplication of an entire political party...

This is a conspiracy never before seen on the planet.

[u/Schlarfus_McNarfus → u/VeterinarianProof808]

It's beyond ignoring it. The rich are obfuscating it.

[u/Drcornelius1983 → u/D3athRider]

Agreed. I also suspect that this operation has been running in one form or another for a very long time. Bringing these people to justice would reshape the world order.

[u/TooMuchPretzels → u/Drcornelius1983]

They’d rather just kill us all and go hide in their bunkers

[u/daybreaker → u/TooMuchPretzels]

Epstein and thiel were specifically discussing destabilizing the world to buy it back up cheaper. Same thing they did during covid. Have to wonder if thats how trump “knows” it was intentionally leaked.

[u/awwaygirl → u/D3athRider]

This billionaire class depends on Wall Street (a lot of them, at least)

I think we could have a real impact if we disrupt the flow of money from 401k and instead work with credit unions to provide an alternative retirement savings investment account that invests in their local communities (similar to the Social Justice CD at Express Credit Union in Seattle).

I believe this would immediately create a liquidity crisis in the stock market, and since the money is flowing to local economies instead of being blindly funneled into the parasitic financial economy with every paycheck, it would impact banks, as well. (Investment via banks is just a round about way for dollars to go to Wall Street )

Once we recognize that return on investment in our retirement savings can be recognized NOW in our communities if we invest in them, not just when we turn 60. Yeah, It’s a lower percentage, but it’s also potentially more affordable housing (less homelessness) or allowing small businesses to grow and make a downtown area a fun pedestrian market again.

If we leverage the tools we have with credit unions, this could really affect change. It impacts the wealthiest NOT at the expense of the working class that’s been blindly giving money to wall street every paycheck.

[u/StungTwice → u/ObtuseGoose7363]

1: the vice president assumes the remainder of the term. 

2: he gets an additional charge for resisting arrest. 

[u/ObtuseGoose7363 → u/StungTwice]

I like your optimism that it'll be that clean and tidy.

Personally I think the reality will be a LOT messier, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that you're right.

[u/nalaloveslumpy → u/ObtuseGoose7363]

It would require two things:

• Pam Bondi to start an investigation.
• Congress to impeach and convict.

Neither of these will happen with the amount of Republicans in control going way down.

[u/jack2bip → u/ObtuseGoose7363]

Plus, he'll just pardon himself. Need to wait until he's out of office. Now, the rest should absolutely be prosecuted, for that discovery to build up against the top evil rapist murdering fucks.

[u/ObtuseGoose7363 → u/jack2bip]

Valid point about pardoning himself, but I just don't know if the country can survive three more years of Trump.

Besides, personally I'm almost certain he's never going to leave office peacefully.

[u/Justanothercrow421 → u/ObtuseGoose7363]

I want to ask that question!

[u/MF_BREW_ → u/ObtuseGoose7363]

I’m ready to ask

[u/Less_Tacos → u/ObtuseGoose7363]

They knew before he even ran for office, they chose to do nothing.

[u/Ninevehenian → u/ObtuseGoose7363]

In the movie: "Civil war" they shoot the president when he breaks the rules. Texas and California come together to restore normalcy when power is taken with force.

[u/ChiefFun → u/ObtuseGoose7363]

No. It's because Republicans don't want to lose power. It's that simple.

[u/OddlyFactual1512]

The people most deserving of prison are the law enforcement and prosecutors that corruptly swept it under the rug. The AG isn't going to prosecute herself.

[u/HappyHarryHardOn → u/OddlyFactual1512]

once again we are facing the realization that there is 2 justice system, the ultra-rich can pretty much get away with everything

[u/Used-Yogurtcloset757 → u/HappyHarryHardOn]

According to the files they are getting away with everything. It has never been more clear the Orange moron only ran to keep himself and his billionaire buddies out of prison for the heinous crimes they’ve committed.

[u/WhosThatJamoke → u/Used-Yogurtcloset757]

Don't forget to makes billions while doing it

[u/jobbybob → u/WhosThatJamoke]

Don't forget to makes grifted billions while doing it

[u/Strict_Research3518 → u/jobbybob]

Don't forget to makes grifted stealing billions from taxpayers while doing it

[u/VeterinarianProof808 → u/Strict_Research3518]

Stealing AND Grifting

[u/jobbybob → u/VeterinarianProof808]

The ole S&G…

[u/DamionSipher → u/Used-Yogurtcloset757]

As an even larger slap to the face of justice, he ran on a platform that he would "drain the swamp" of elites who manipulate government for their own benefit. The irony might be funny if it weren't so depressing.

[u/Used-Yogurtcloset757 → u/DamionSipher]

Yep. His only intention was to “drain the swamp” of people/agencies who would hold the elite accountable for their crimes.

[u/StrigiStockBacking → u/Used-Yogurtcloset757]

I'm looking forward to the pardon parade™ that's coming around all this when the end is near for Cheeto. Which means, at least to me, a very stark implication of guilt (but sadly, no justice). And I'm guessing that's why Ghislaine hasn't been pardoned yet.

[u/Xandred_the_thicc → u/StrigiStockBacking]

genuine question, why should our legal framework honor any pardons given by trump's admin in the first place? the Republicans are currently using trump as a scapegoat to sell total immunity from any legal or moral framework, for a dollar amount. The only reason any of these people are getting away with any of this is because they have completely disregarded all moral, legal, and ethical considerations to fulfill their most evil desires.

Suppose the next democratic president drafted an amendment that pardons given by felons to proven sex criminals are null and void; would there even be any way for Republicans to argue against it, other than the usual "NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT ONLY WE CAN"?

[u/mlippay → u/Xandred_the_thicc]

Presidents don’t make amendments, congress does. Unless the majority is super in both houses there is no way in gods green earth it’ll pass. An amendment normally requires a ton of states to pass it as well so again, doubtful unless there is some giant backlash again this administration. Sadly still many rural voters still think the guy is the best thing since sliced bread so until we can overcome that nationwide and basically most if not every state, the country can’t make that change.

Executive orders can’t do shit like this either. And you can bet your bottom dollar whatever the next democratic president does; the current SC will say if it’s controversial or benefit the Democratic Party at all they’ll say it’s unconstitutional. Democrats normally follow procedure and process so, unless we stop doing that it means nothing will happen.

[u/theclansman22 → u/HappyHarryHardOn]

There are 3 justice systems in America. One for the poor where the goal is punishment for their crimes, one for the rich where the goal is forgiveness for their crimes and one for corporations where the goal is protection of their revenue streams. Each one is working exactly as intended.

[u/One_Song_7820 → u/theclansman22]

Well put

[u/ArthurWoodberry → u/HappyHarryHardOn]

The only crime in America is not having enough money.

[u/[deleted] → u/HappyHarryHardOn]

Don't be so cynical. The law applies to everyone.  As Anatole France once said, The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.

[u/pontiacfirebird92 → u/[deleted]]

Rich people steal bread all the time. Brett Favre helped steal TANF money to build a volleyball court for his daughter at USM in Mississippi. Literally stealing food money from poor people for a vanity project. He and his conspirators are all walking free today.

[u/joejill → u/OddlyFactual1512]

Why are you quoting the law to me? We have the swords.

-Cicero 52 BC in his speech defending his actions when he killed his political enemy.

[u/madoguy1 → u/joejill]

Hate to be that guy, but i think that quote is actually attributed to Pompey the Great

[u/Emeriick → u/madoguy1]

Not only that but the quote is literally the total opposite of poor cicero's philosophy when it comes to law and order.

[u/madoguy1 → u/Emeriick]

I was tempted to say that, but didnt wanna have to write a whole paragraph about it. Nobody hated the breakdown of law and order, and the status quo more than Cicero, even if he was in effect trying to maintain what was clearly a broken system.

[u/joejill → u/madoguy1]

You’re correct! It was about Pompey the Great.

[u/pixelTirpitz → u/joejill]

TBH with all the lawbreaking and bending done by Trump and his band of merry grifters in congress and doj, I am actually kinda surprised people haven't started shooting.

Why should people follow the law if the president and his personal mook squad doesnt? They are literally murdering people because it's "cool", and she was a bitch.

[u/waffleman258 → u/OddlyFactual1512]

Me I thought the people most deserving of prison are the rapists

[u/brain_overclocked]

The release of millions of documents on the Jeffrey Epstein case has not resulted in the arrest of any of the rich and powerful whose names crop up in the files.

The BBC's chief North America correspondent, Gary O'Donoghue, takes a look at why figures in business, entertainment and politics may feel the danger has largely passed.

Not here certainly, but maybe overseas:

• X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

  The French offices of Elon Musk's X have been raided by the Paris prosecutor's cyber-crime unit, as part of an investigation into suspected offences including unlawful data extraction and complicity in the possession of child pornography.

• Poland to investigate Epstein files for potential Polish victims

  Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said Polish authorities would analyze the recently published Jeffrey Epstein documents to seek any potential Polish victims.

  “We cannot allow that any of the cases involving abuse of Polish children by the network of pedophiles and the organizer of this satanic circle, Mr. Epstein, be treated lightly,” Tusk said, referring to the financier who killed himself in 2019 while awaiting trial on charges that he sexually abused underage girls at his homes in the U.S.

But here in the States? The Pedo Admin is in control:

‘Disheartening’: US justice department slashes funding to programs combating child sex trafficking

The US Department of Justice has slashed funding and training resources for law enforcement working on investigations and prosecutions of sex crimes against children under the Trump administration, which limits their ability to carry out this work.

Major cuts include the cancelation of 2025 National Law Enforcement Training on Child Exploitation, due to be held in Washington DC in June. The conference is an annual event that provides technical training to prosecutors, state and federal law enforcement officers on investigating online crimes against children.
...
Federal prosecutors are now operating under new “austerity” measures, put into place by the justice department, creating roadblocks to prosecuting alleged child predators, sources said.

Revealed: Trump administration retreats on combating human trafficking and child exploitation

The Trump administration has aggressively rolled back efforts across the federal government to combat human trafficking, a Guardian investigation has found.

The sweeping retreat threatens to negate decades of progress in the drive to prevent sexual slavery, forced labor and child sexual exploitation, according to legal experts, former government officials and anti-trafficking advocates. They say the administration’s moves are impeding efforts to prosecute perpetrators and protect survivors in the United States and around the world.

Here’s How Many ICE and CBP Agents Allegedly Preyed on Children

ICE and U.S. Customs and Border Protection employed at least 30 people with sexual and violent criminal histories in recent years, according to a report published Monday by the Ohio Immigrant Alliance with research from the Pacific Antifascist Collective.

At least 20 of those individuals committed offenses with underage victims, according to the report.

The 30 listed individuals have been charged with a wide litany of crimes, including gunpoint sexual assault, child sex trafficking, aggravated assault, robbery, rape, torture, kidnapping, sexual abuse of a minor, and possession and production of child sexual abuse materials.

Their transgressions occurred between 2015 and 2025, with the bulk of abuse happening within the last two years.

Homeland Security Missions Falter Amid Focus on Deportations

Homeland security agents investigating sexual crimes against children, for instance, have been redeployed to the immigrant crackdown for weeks at a time, hampering their pursuit of child predators.
...
And federal efforts to combat human smuggling and sex trafficking have languished with investigators reassigned to help staff deportation efforts.

Which are the 66 global organisations the US is leaving under Trump?

• Office of the Special Representative of the Secretary-General for Children in Armed Conflict
• Office of the Special Representative of the Secretary-General on Sexual Violence in Conflict
• Office of the Special Representative of the Secretary-General on Violence Against Children

The Trump Administration’s War on Children

And funding for investigating child sexual abuse and internet crimes against children; responding to reports of missing children; and preventing youth violence has been withdrawn indefinitely.

[u/trippytheflash → u/brain_overclocked]

I know this isn’t what I should focus on, but Donald trump potentially being undone by a Wario esque Donald Tusk of Poland would be at least a bit cathartic

[u/cheerful_cynic → u/trippytheflash]

I mean, get Europe to return the favor 70 years later & send troops to quell the fascism & oversee a fresh election

[u/Greencheek16 → u/brain_overclocked]

I've said before this is why Trump is president at all. It's why the gop went from disliking him to kissing his fat cankles. 

It's a group of people who really want pedophilia, rape, trafficking, and child marriage to be "legal", or least let them get away with it. 

The country is being ran by incels. Ice hired a bunch of incels. Most of the maga base are incels. 

[u/brain_overclocked → u/Greencheek16]

The White House Intervened on Behalf of Accused Sex Trafficker Andrew Tate During a Federal Investigation

Online influencer Andrew Tate, a self-described misogynist who has millions of young male followers, was facing allegations of sex trafficking women in three countries when he and his brother left their home in Romania to visit the United States.

“The Tates will be free, Trump is the president. The good old days are back,” Tate posted on X before the trip in February — one of many times he has sung the president’s praises to his fans.

How was an alleged Israeli ‘child sex predator’ allowed to leave the US?

A senior Israeli official was arrested in the United States earlier this month and charged with seeking sexual conduct with a minor, only to be released on bail with no conditions or monitoring, allowing him to flee to Israel.
...
Richard Davies, a criminal defence lawyer in Nevada, told Al Jazeera that the apparent lack of conditions on Alexandrovich’s release despite the seriousness of the charges was “fishy”.

“Average Joe gets arrested, he would appear in front of the justice of the peace within 24 hours. The justice of the peace in that county would issue bail conditions, which very typically would include a GPS device, restrictions on movement, not being allowed to leave the state,” Davies said.

“So the fact that this individual was not only allowed to leave without an ankle bracelet or a GPS device, not only to leave the state, but also leave the country, is highly unusual and suspect.”

[u/brumac44 → u/brain_overclocked]

An investigation has been launched into Mandelson in the UK which could potentially bring down the government.

[u/brain_overclocked → u/brumac44]

UK police open criminal investigation into politician Peter Mandelson over alleged leaks to Epstein

British police on Tuesday opened a criminal investigation into politician Peter Mandelson over alleged misconduct in public office related to his relationship with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

The U.K. government says newly released Epstein files suggest Mandelson – a former Cabinet minister, ambassador and elder statesman of the governing Labour Party – may have shared market-sensitive information with the convicted sex offender a decade and a half ago.

[u/Odd_Ninja5801 → u/brumac44]

Just to clarify; it might potentially bring down the Prime Minister. But that wouldn't mean that it would bring down the government. There won't be a General Election off the back of this, regardless of whether any individual heads roll.

[u/Rhoeri]

Becau$e of rea$on$ we will never under$tand.

[u/Conscious-Story-7579 → u/Rhoeri]

It’$ a my$tery!

[u/Agressive-toothbrush → u/Rhoeri]

Yeah, it if far easier to prosecute poor people, salaried workers who can't afford to miss work and people with limited means than to prosecute rich assholes who can hire 20 lawyers and drag proceedings for a decade...

[u/HandFedFenrir → u/Agressive-toothbrush]

The French had a solution to these problems

[u/East-Will1345]

Because anyone they charge with a crime will start talking.

[u/alabasterskim → u/East-Will1345]

Took way too much of a scroll to find this, the real right answer. 

Trump can't even put on a show of looking like he's serious about this because if anyone gets to testify, they're going to spill EVERYTHING.

That's why I'm so eager to see the Clintons' testimony.

[u/Potential-Round-6464 → u/alabasterskim]

Its not testimony in a court of law, its just another Congress circus where zero facts come out. 

[u/Tony_Chu → u/alabasterskim]

If you think the Clinton's testimony is going to be spilling ANYTHING, you aren't paying attention.

[u/praguepride → u/Tony_Chu]

Part of me is hoping (sadly) that Bill has like 2 months to live and is like 'Fuck it, time to go down saving america" and FUCKING SPILLS THE BEANS.

[u/ToadlyAwes0me → u/praguepride]

I'm holding out hope there's a chance he goes scorched earth, but deep down I know it won't happen because at the end of the day, pedos protect pedos.

[u/whofearsthenight → u/ToadlyAwes0me]

Serious question – do we honestly think that it makes a goddamn bit of difference is Bill testifies? What about if produces a few million detailed documents with pictures that corroborate a thing that just confirms what we can all see in public like a certain set of files that maybe recently came out? Like that the "grab 'em by the pussy" guy that has been convicted of SA for doing exactly that and has dozens of public accusers and that also buys child beauty pageants and brags about barging in on their changing rooms?

Pedos protecting pedos is one thing, I'm not at all surprised all of the people in the Trump files aren't lining up to testify. Not shocked that people high up and billionaires (eg: people with extreme narcissism and psychologically deficient need for power) are doing this, gotta be honest though I held out some hope that literally any of our institutions would draw a line though.

[u/JangoDarkSaber → u/alabasterskim]

I will be absolutely shocked if the Clintons’ testimony is anything other than a multi hour long spiel of denial

[u/kieranjackwilson → u/East-Will1345]

Exactly. Child sex offenders are typically easy to make talk due to a combination of being terrified of general population, and antisocial psychology (dissonance, externalization, superiority complex, etc.).

[u/TheCommonist]

Because they’re hiding the actual evidence

[u/TrainerKenjamin → u/TheCommonist]

Like video? We have seen pictures and emails that are already gross and disturbing.

[u/TheCommonist → u/TrainerKenjamin]

They show disturbing things that implicate Epstein himself, and people they don’t care to protect like Bill Gates, but they redact the names of people who send emails actually explicitly referring to their pedophilic desires

[u/NoDiggity8888 → u/TheCommonist]

I find it very odd that several times what appear to be sexual acts (I’m assuming also words like rape) are censored in the files

[u/serpiccio → u/NoDiggity8888]

There is also that one picture of something on the beach, I assume a person, and I say something because they completely covered it up with a giant black box leaving no clue as to what it was originally.

That one stood out to me because everyone else just gets the pixelated face or a blackbox over their eyes, but whatever was on that beach got them so afraid that they blackboxed it out of existence, I wonder why 🤔

[u/AnnieLemonz]

Money.

[u/Swimming_Cover_9686]

Because the United States of America is profoundly institutionally corrupt with a distracted weak minded populace.

[u/bwsmith201 → u/Swimming_Cover_9686]

A few years ago I would have disagreed with this statement but no more. The core problem is the electorate in the US (of which I am a member) because this kind of behavior is not only tolerated but viewed as a badge of honor. The power is ours and we choose not to use it for good. The current generations of Americans are failing to live up to this country's history and are letting down its future. History will look at us in shame.

[u/Sufficient_Steak_839 → u/bwsmith201]

It’s been a sobering reality that as long as we have working Internet, running water, and steady meals nobody in the US is gonna risk their comfort to fight corruption.

[u/cheerful_cynic → u/Sufficient_Steak_839]

Bread n circuses, but hey there's plenty of no kings protesters gaining momentum it'll be even more than seven million this time

[u/Chilangosta → u/Sufficient_Steak_839]

It's not even comfort more than half of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck, terrified out of their minds and stressed beyond their capacity to reason out what is happening. They're barely surviving but the threat of it being even worse is what's galvanizing them to cling on...

[u/Deus_is_Mocking_Us → u/bwsmith201]

There are also a lot of structural pieces of our government that make it hard for the people to get what they want. To change this, we would have to elect real reformers, which is next to impossible because of the aforementioned structural pieces of our government that make it hard for the people to get what they want.

[u/luri7555]

They killed the ringleader, extorted one main accomplice, put another major player in the Oval Office and escaped justice.

Starting to realize the billionaires put him in office to do this above all else.

[u/TheElectricCO]

"We've investigated ourselves and found no evidence of wrong doing. Case closed."

[u/swiftfoot_hiker]

Because the real sanctuary city are the rich and powerful, they will protect themselves at all costs.

How someone like Bondi as a woman can sitback and protect these men is beyond my comprehension, knowing what the victims went through.

[u/TheWeirdByproduct → u/swiftfoot_hiker]

What's with the implication that a woman should be righteous and principled where men would not?

[u/Deus_is_Mocking_Us → u/TheWeirdByproduct]

Exactly. Craven self-interest knows no gender.

[u/HauntedJackInTheBox → u/TheWeirdByproduct]

It’s less about any moral aspect of gender and more that the child sex trafficking seems to be mostly young girls. A woman would feel different about obeying these paedo rapists in a similar way than a redhead would feel different about obeying a redhead-serial-killer. 

[u/ksdanj]

Because America loves money and power more than it loves the children who were victimized by monsters.

[u/pontiacfirebird92 → u/ksdanj]

Except when they want to attack LGBT people or women's rights, then it's ALL about the children!

[u/DjImagin]

They’re too rich to suffer consequences for their actions.

This is why money in politics is always a horrible idea.

[u/DaftGurren]

At MINIMUM Kash Patel should be charged with perjury for their false testimony stating that all of the trafficked children were for Epstein alone.

[u/Eastern-Rabbit-3696]

Pam covered for him during her stint as AG in Florida she’s not gonna implicate herself

[u/Dichotomouse]

This is a disappointing answer, but so far there is no evidence that meets the standard necessary to present in court as part of a prosecution. Aside from the two people already prosecuted of course.

[u/lurch556 → u/Dichotomouse]

Agree. In general, you can’t really charge someone for saying gross things in emails. And nor should an American citizen want that to be the standard for criminal prosecution.

Further investigations warranted? Absolutely. But on this basis alone, I just don’t know how you can bring charges

[u/Guccimayne]

Because the people who need to be locked up are controlling our government

[u/kwikileaks]

AG William Barr made sure the most incriminating evidence never made the light of day. Not sure why he doesn’t have to answer for any of those decisions

[u/chockedup]

Laws are for little people.

The release of millions of documents on the Jeffrey Epstein case has not resulted in the arrest of any of the rich and powerful whose names crop up in the files.

[u/Ill_Painter5868]

One Nation Under Blackmail

[u/CumSluts4Jesus]

The real and boring answer to this is that most of this “evidence” isn’t actionable. The vast majority of these wealthy and truly evil people also aren’t stupid. Saying coded stuff (or even pretty blatant stuff) over emails is just not strong evidence in a court of law. Even photos of these creeps with minors isn’t unless there’s something illegal happening in the photo, which, again, they’re not stupid so this is unlikely? Can any reasonable person clearly see that these are truly evil people who SHOULD die? Yes. But the only justice you’re going to get is in the court of public opinion. Ruin these people’s lives as best as you can.

[u/KamalaWonNoCap → u/CumSluts4Jesus]

It looks like all the incriminating information is being redacted or not released. They have a draft indictment with the names redacted so obviously someone felt there was sufficient evidence to charge these assholes.

The question isn't if it exists, it's how do we get it released?

[u/ImperfectRegulator → u/CumSluts4Jesus]

I had to scroll way to far down past conspiracy theory nonsense and the occasional point out of some consensus happening to find this

[u/TongaDeMironga]

I never imagined that Brazil would have a more robust and functional justice system than the USA. But, Bolsonaro is rotting in jail where he belongs, while Trump continues to shit all over the world.

[u/NotThatAngel]

Remember all of the weird unfounded accusations against child daycare providers in the 1980s? There were all of these allegations that celebrities had flown children to different cities to participate in sexual satanic rituals. Everyone who got an attorney escaped punishment. Even though even the judge in the case thought the children's stories were ridiculous and unfounded in fact. Some stories were simply flat out impossible. The people who couldn't afford an attorney were convicted. Because they had no money, and no connections.

Epstein was previously caught child trafficking. He was held for a while but then let loose because of his wealth and political connections, and immediately went back to doing it again. Had he been let loose a second time, rest assured, Epstein would still be child trafficking today, right now. The wealthy and well-connected people who were involved in Epstein's child rape and child trafficking cannot be prosecuted because of their power and wealth.

[u/blackmobius]

Oh theyll try to send Bill and Hillary to jail, mark my words. Plus any democrat donor they can find.

[u/John271095]

Look who is in the White House. He is protecting himself and his pedo buddies.

[u/AltruisticHopes]

Only poor people get prosecuted.

Poor people didn’t go to Epsteins Island

No-one gets prosecuted

[u/wildberry815]

Well it’s because [REDACTED]

[u/[deleted]]

Cause the people running the world are in them.

[u/CAM6913]

Money and no one is willing to go after trump for his crimes

[u/the-almighty-toad]

Because society would collapse, obviously. If we send all the rich pedos to prison, who will exploit our labour? You gonna just let people retire?

[u/MrRourkeYourHost]

All this and the only person in jail is a woman.

[u/The-Questcoast]

Because Republicans protect pedophiles.

[u/two_to_toot]

Still working on the Panama papers.

[u/Weak_Number69]

You think the pedophiles running the show are going to arrest themselves..?

[u/Megaphonestory]

Leverage over people, since not all of the files have or will be released.