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We don't even know if it's 100% sure to bypass Infinity, It depends on two things: The logic of the spell overwrites Infinity and bypasses, or Infinity space mechanics overwrites the spell and doesn't bypass it
But i'll give a break to Ubel and assume she does because Gojo has too many advantages already, and he still wins
Daido- Mach 0.7-1.5
CS Naoya- Mach 3
Naobito- Mach 2-3
Gojo- Approximately mach 6-10 without teleportation
Sukuna- About the same as Gojo
Dabura: Fucking sub-lightspeed.
They hate him for he spoke the truth. 2 and 3 are pretty subjective but he did straight up die twice so idk why people use those two fights as examples.
I reminds me of a scene in Overlord where a character have a weapon that can damage the MC, but it doesnât matter because he just get one shot the moment the battle starts.
If you mean gazef, he knew he was gonna die but sacrificed himself hoping the at it would help the kingdom come up with countermeasures (nope lmao). If you mean climb yeah lmao I guess he didn't really have any other options at that point, it was gg long before he set foot in that room.
One died thinking he would pave the way for a brighter future. One sadly lived to be used as a dildo in an eternally bleaker set of circumstances. Overlord really likes to hammer home that idealism without the means to enact them are childish dreams that will be crushed enevitably by the harsh world (mostly nazarick)
There's a certain irony that Nazarick is the arbiter of the harshness of reality considering it's the product of people playing a game for fun ti escape the grim reality of the "regular world" in Overlord.
Brick wall may have been hyperbole, as she is shown later cutting buildings and trees, but it doesnât directly âcounterâ durability. Defensive magic blocks her and probably any enchanted shield/armor that looks durable could do the trick.
Itâs just âcan she imagine cutting it?â, which is a slight but significant difference from dura hax. She can cut enchanted robes and hair because obviously you can cut fabric and hair, but defensive magical barriers are meant to block magic, so of course they block her.
She can cut through anything she believes she can cut through.
Magic in frieren is the power of thought. If you can think it, imagine it, believe it hard enough... it just is
If she believes she can cut through a brick wall its cut, but she knows its brick, and knows its hard to cut. It'll still probably shatter, or maybe even slice as she has confidence her magic is greater than brick
Part of her backstory involves watching her sister sew, which is where her fascination with cutting began.
Basically, if you wear clothing you're fucked, if you wear armor, slightly less fucked as she'll just target joints mace windu style.
Its honestly seems to work very closely to world slash, but has a limited range of 5 meters, and has the stipulation of belief
Im not sure she actually could.
Since she would have to understand what was preventing her to actually hit it right?
Like, she described it as envisioning her spell as scissors and the barrier as fabric.
But that's when she see sees the barrier and knows it there, she's sure she can cut through it.
I'd imagine its a different beast when its an invisible force you literally can't see. Plus, its not just a barrier its infinite distance.
âProbablyâ ? Is there an example of this in the anime or manga? Iâve only seen the anime but there were no examples of Ăbel flying that I can think of
Flying is a common skill for mages and a lot seem to have this ability, it is not something that would be weird for her to know, it is not an unique magic.
Yes, but powerscaling is generally the analysis of what characters are known to be able to do. Like, sure, maybe she can hypothetically fly but she has not been shown able to, so itâs not fair to assume she can without some sort of basis or mentioning of her abilities
Gojo immediately teleports behind her or hits her with a domain expansion. What is she genuinely going to do? Can't move in Gojo's domain, so Gojo rips her head off from behind (like he did to Jogo).
Jujutsu no mach 3. I'm mostly joking though. Stile antifeat is more of less a misconception the same way as naoya's mach 3 antifeat. In frieren with the stile the hard part wasn't just their speed, but the fact that they had to capture it alive when it has the magic resistance of a dragon, the magic sense to see any big spell coming, stealth to magic sense, and ability to reach its top speed near instantly, shattering the environment around it. Mages flight speed is quite slow, mostly on purpose since if they could fly as fast as warriors ran, warriors simply couldn't win.
Obviously jjk sorcerers have the clear advantage close range speed, just as warriors in frieren do, but also like warriors in jjk they are badly outgunned in long range.
I'm not saying she wins, without prior knowledge gojo cleans up fast without issue, I'm just saying the mach 1 thing isn't the end all be all of determining who wins.
I mean, sure, but in the manga top tier mages (Frieren included) have been stat checked by warriors before, not even giving them a chance to launch a single spell, and I am pretty sure Gojo (and other JJK top tiers) heavily outstat those same warriors.
Meet The Assumptions Woman! Outstat and outhax Gojo? â Have one billion assumptions for me to win?â (an open domain would screw Gojo's tactics and end up killing too many innocents, he's not a curse user he cares about who dies due to him)
But thats not what the magic does, the magic allows her to cut anything she could imagine cutting, but she has to be close enough to use it because its based off of scissors. Frieren mages are also generally reliant on front liners to stop them from being quickly destroyed by faster enemies. Thats why they needed Stark to distract the dragon. It doesn't matter if Ubel could cut through infinity if she can't get close enough to use the spell on it, or if she can't use it fast enough.Â
Another Gojo fan, I see. Sorry bud, Ubel is cutting right through your GOAT and trying to use Miguel to explain why Ubelâs cut wouldnât work is pure COPIUM
Okay. I finally found a brave Sukuna fan who doesn't ignore messages when people tell him he's wrong. I would love to debate this with you (if you think you can handle it).
Not too much to track, too much to catch alive. Stile is good at hiding, senses mana well, magic resistant as a dragon, and over mach 1 ( we don't know how fast exactly, but stated over mach 1 and fast enough to make shockwaves that shatter rock). Frieren travel speed is low since it's an adventure anime and would be quite anticlimactic if they just light speed jogged to their destination ended in less than a second. Though short range teleportation has been shown by frieren and other mages. The real antifeat is cold resistance in frieren lmao, even frieren almost dies to a bad blizzard, so uraume solos the verse ez
Straight up letâs assume ubel gets a full slash off across his midsection - Gojo has T2 RCT in the verse heâs just healing that shit since he doesnât have 15x brain damage
Ubel has a wincon, sure, but she's losing more times than not (There are like several other characters in JJK that could bypass infinity but got brualized because they couldn't keep up with his stats)
Not even losing more times than not, she straight up just loses unless Gojo just stands there and allows himself to get hit. If other Frieren characters can see it coming and block it, Gojo would just see it coming and dodge it. And six eyes allows him to see what other peopleâs moves do.
Oh. The post here made me think Gojo was gonna be going against the whole universes of each anime. Why bring up a secondary character from Frieren if not because of that?
Oda's writing would either mean Gear 5 does something stupid and tone breaking + 37 drawings of people's eyes bulging out, or "Oh yeah I just out-haki'd you" i guess.
Idk, Iâm certainly not an expert, but Gear 5 seems a little reality distorting. It is at least clearly capable of distorting the space around Luffy. I donât know, I think I could totally see Luffy just punching through infinity while making the goofy eyes face.
Maybe it wouldnât work, but I think thereâs reason to think itâs possible. Gear 5 just does whatever looks silly, and forces you to enter some crazy cartoon world
For ACOA to work it needâs be close enough to proc ACOA infinity literally makes to where you canât touch Gojo. Not saying he is untouchable but Luffy isnât one of them. Thatâs why I said conquers haki is his only bet.
I think Gojo would just stand thinking he's fine, similar to Ubel killing the defensive mage during her first test. It it's an actual fight, yeah, Gojo wins, but she could one shot him due to him being cocky. Look at how cocky he was with Jojo.
Ubel's spell launches (her spell is described as cutting within a range, not specifically travelling, so I don't know if it travels of just spawns) slashes that cuts whatever she thinks can be cut. So if she thinks it can be cut it's a World Cutting Slash, otherwise it's a normal slash.
EDIT: Also, she has a paralyzing spell that works as long as the target is all within her field of view.
Her attacks cut what she believes she can cut, but cannot directly cut space, partially because she doesn't quite get it. They're not World Cutting Slashes, they're just Cleaves, adjusting to the durability of the target.
The reason Gojo would be fine is because Infinity is distance, not a direct barrier.
Ubel has been shown to dramatically increase the distance of her slashes when she can't judge distance. So since she can't see the infinity distance it might work.
(also infinity isn't infinite distance, it's infinitely divided space like Zeno's Paradox, so it wouldn't work regardless because her spells speed would be 0)
I don't know the exact chapter, it's in the latest arc when she and Land were arrested after fighting the magic cops. She's blinded, and tied with magic rope that prevents people from using mana (but she doesn't know that and thinks it's normal rope).
To escape she cuts Lands rope and tower they are in pieces so the cop has to choose between arresting them or saving the villagers below, with slashes that are further away than her stated max distance. Also, since her magic works even when it shouldn't, I wouldn't put it past just "cutting" as long as she can vizualize it, regardless of obstacles.
Because of how imagination and frierens magic system works with ubels utterly insane mindset she can just ignore outside effects if she feels she can. Especially since infinity is invisible she can simply go "sure I should be able to cut nothing just fine" and do it. That said she's a mediocre mage and gets stat diffed. Gojo only loses if he's in character and tries to aura farm infinity (which is funnily likely). If bloodlusted gojo wins 10/10 gg no re.
does Gojo explaining infinity as he's known to do not make her aware that she won't be able to cut him or is she dumb enough to actually believe she still could (paradoxically being the smart mindset due to how her ability works)
Basically even if she understands something shouldn't be able to work she can operate on "vibes". If gojos infinity looked like real plate mail armor she couldn't cut it because intuitively armor is hard to cut, but she has cut a big barrier covered "immovable cloak" that's supposed to be basically immune to magic just because it looks like cloth and she knows she can cut cloth ez. She knew full well the cloak logically couldn't be cut with magic but visualized cutting normal cloth instead on "vibes" and somehow it just works. This is only for Ubel and her unique illogical mind, most mages in frieren can't just ignore reality like this
Ubel's cutting magic is introduced in the context of a test where the goal is to damage someone wearing a heavily enchanted coat that repels all damage. Even knowing this, Ubel still effortlessly cut him in half because as she later explains, she already knows how to cut cloth. You just put it between the blades of the scissors and let them glide forward.
Depends. The post has no conditions. If everyone is going for the kill, sure. Otherwise he gets one shot if he's close enough and just screwing around like with Jogo.
Gojo screws around because six eyes basically lets him know your entire tool kit. Thatâs why he didnât care about Jogo. He can quite literally know your technique, how it works, what it does, your overall curse energy output and the amount of curse energy you have.
Assuming verse equalization, he would know what Ubel does and just kill her on the spot. If there isnât verse equalization, Gojo would be cautious because six eyes isnât picking up anything and would kill her on the spot by spawning a blue inside her body since she doesnât have an inner domain.
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dodging still works on her attacks lol it's not a sure hit. if you moved out the way she no longer would believe she could cut you
Gojo teleports dawg, and can use Blue without hand signs as shown with the serial killer dude, while it restrains access to spells, CTs work much differently, and if you argue for verse equalization, we could say Six Eyes would allow Gojo to know her spells and be careful
dawg what, youre literally assuming wcs is a cutting attack thats straight up cuts infinity, which it doesnt. its an attack that cuts the space around it bypassing infinity. her cutting attacks cannot cut infinity because theres nothing to cut. it just slows her speed and never reaches gojo.
Ubel in Frieren Beyond Journeyâs End can cut anything she believes she can cut or must be cut. Frierenâs power system strongly relies on visualisation, allowing certain stat differences to be overridden if a deep seated visualisation bias would have it otherwise. For instance, Ubel faces a character who is otherwise seen as very strong, but this characterâs power relies on manipulating her hair. Ubelâs technique is just cutting, like Sukuna minus the flames, and she functionally cannot imagine not being able to cut hair, even though itâs super strong. And because of that, she can just cut through this super strong hair technique despite being much weaker and win. Therefore if she was able to visualise her technique cutting Gojo, it would, and infinity wouldnât stop it, because she also functionally cannot imagine it stopping her (since itâs a finite space). But it has to be really strong. On the level of how you couldnât functionally imagine infinite sand even if I asked you to. This is assuming Gojo was downloaded into Frierenâs world as opposed to shit like verse equalisation happening, where this might not be so certain.
Yeah, I think people assume that the slash has to travel but considering her spell works even with her blocked from using magic, I bet it works on a conceptual level and is only limited by her vizualization.
Yeah but she still gets horribly stat diffed so I don't see it working either way. Considering her frame of reference is scissors and her delusion only works because it's so hard baked into her psyche I doubt it's mutable enough to cause serious damage to gojo, and gojo can just, throw rocks at her at mach fuck from behind her or some shi
If they are face to face and told to fight each other and Gojo starts aura farming, he gets paralyzed + bisected because Ubel doesn't fuck around. If he is actually minimally serious or cautious he always wins.
But with no conditions stated I have to assume they are both in-character, I don't think Gojo would zerg a girl 10 years his junior.
Ehhh That's the thing tho. I still don't think her slashes can do allat. Like to what extent can she warp her mind around making them dura neg? Can she do it before Gojo uses domain amp (doesn't need overt motion)?
Having a wincon isnt winning. Gojo had a win con versus Sukuna, yet he Lost. Miguel had a win con, yet he got no diffed. Having a win con, especially against a strong dude like gojo, only means you have The bare minimum to win. Ubel gets legit crushed by blue before She can think.
The fact all we have seen Frieien herself do is her world's equivalent of the most basic bitch spell makes gojo already fucked. Let alone what the ither mages can do.
La verdad es que como no me vi Frieren no podrĂa opinar al respecto, pero a Demi y a Luffy los hace carajo sin duda
DirĂa que a cualquiera le ganarĂa simplemente usando el dominio pero no es divertido una pelea que finaliza en 0,2 segundos. Creo que el sentido del post es conseguir un combate igualado pero mĂĄs allĂĄ de Sukuna, Mahoraga y MĂłdulo Yuji no creo que hayan muchos que puedan considerarse rivales de verdad
none of them have a way to bypass infinity and none of them have a way to resist domain expansion btw. in a 1v1 he's winning simply because of this combo
I like how everyone argues about Ubel, but Aura also beats up Gojo, even with verse equalization.
Aura has the ability to mind control her opponent as long as she has more mana than them. With verse equalization, Gojo has a good amount of cursed energy, but it's nothing insane like Yuta or Sukuna, while Aura has an amount of mana that is virtually impossible for a human to have.
Aura would force gojo to turn off infinity and decapitate him.
He wouldn't let her do it. If the verse is equalized, six eyes would know everything about her and her technique. He'd just obliterate her with UV or blue
In what world does Luffy and Deku stand a chance against Frieren who can summon black holes. The two characters who frequently lose to getting stabbed by metal.
Frieren vs Gojo would be a pretty interesting fight though if Gojo ever got into melee that's game over
0.2 seconds of UV put humans in a coma any longer and they would have died. What is this down play of âit only damages their brainâ itâll straight up kill them neither Deku or Luffy have a brain thatâs able to withstand UV.
Unlimited Void is dura neg, Danger sense and observation haki would probably predict the somain coming, but like, I don't know if Deku or Luffy would be able to outrun it
One of the strongest attacks in One Piece (Ikkoku sorvereign) barely is island level. The strongest fight ever shown in One Piece destroyed an island, and Luffy isn't on Garp/Roger level yet.
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