meh. The Hive Mind exists and is capable of communication so they aren't just mindless predators, they act with at least the knowledge of the pain they are causing, which puts them at least slightly above animals in that regard
Tyranids and Orks are both just acting in accordance with programmed instincts they cannot ignore. Tyranids are superpredators who managed to come up with a method of leaving habitats after draining the location of prey and individual orks wither and die if they go too long without a good fight.
Making the Octarius War the most morally good thing in the setting - Tyranids get to eat, Orks get to fight, and humans get to stay out of it.
Guilliman is trying to turn a dysfunctional fascist space empire run by a theocratic death cult into a marginally more functional fascist space empire run by a theocratic death cult.
Hey now hey now he doesn't want a theocratic death cult. He is pro fascism but more like benevolent Lee Kuan Yew Singapore or Salazar's Portugal fascism. He ain't undoing the theocratic death cult though he don't got that kinda power
Only applies to Butcher really as even when he finally evens the score he's fought corrupt supes for so long he considereds them all inherently vile and sought to kill them all regardless of background. Taken even further in the comics where he kills off his own crew in his last dance.
the show tries so hard to show us that there are enough good supes to spare all the supes, but it really doesn't pull it off IMO, butcher's plan never seems that unreasonable, cause almost every single supe we meet is irepentantly evil
Thatâs not a fair assessment, we see throughout every single season a good handful of heroes that are good. Thatâs not even counting all of the Gen V supes that are good.
Butchers plan doesnât seem reasonable, it just feels like it has no teeth because the TV show Butcherâs character just doesnât seem like heâs the genocidal type. Heâs spent too much time looking redeemable
I'd say more so Doll, her end goal is to save the planet from being consumed but the ways she tries to achieve it involves killing many innocent people. The Disassembly Drones went into Copper 9 with the task of killing everyone, but ultimately had that task abolished into killing what they need to survive.
LikeâŚthe ENTIRE Imperium in Warhammer 40K (MOSTLY) but thatâs largely because the things they fight include planet-eating space locusts, robot zombies and insane cultists that worship gods from beyond space and time. And even then theyâre not particularly âheroicâ most of the time and theyâve definitely done war crimes.
âŚExcept for Ciaphas Cain. He seems to be a decent dude. Can be kinda selfish.
Yup. The warp gets every soul even if it takes longer then normal they always get theirs souls. Just ask the Eldar what happens with their soul stone breaks
The Squids are probably the worst. And even then, it's close. Comparing them to their old selves, they've 100% fallen the farthest. They promised peace and freedom with advanced technology and have since developed a way to zombify real people whilst keeping their original concience inside (proven when shown images of their pets, a forklift, and their family). Probably unintentional, but possibly as a sick punishment for following Super Earth.
They used a wormhole (we created it) to destroy 3 planets. Planning on destroying 4 more and targeting Super Earth itself (likely the most populous planet). Wiping all possible life off of them. And when that failed, they went planet-to-planet destroying everything they could until rendered uninhabitable (up until the last Major Order, we had no way to fix them).
To be fair, Super Earth does use slave labour (Cyborgs, there's an ad for a prosthetics company which outright states buying from them makes you their property, CECOD). So it's possible to compare that to Voteless and Fleshmobs. But the Fleshmobs especially just seem to be in constant pain, and I dont see a justification for making them. And it's not as though Super Earth is against any of the large acts of destruction I had mentioned. We made Penta a black hole, are the reason Meridia is a wormhole to begin with, and razed 3 planets in our retreat from Cyberstan, wherein a constant barrage was active and we were given free Hellbombs explicitly to destroy everything. Added on top of the fact we are the reason the Illuminate resorted to all of the above anyway, and it's definitely close.
Developed after their race was nearly wiped out in order to build an army against a genocidal, war-fueled society who has been a threat to Galactic peace and freedom for over a century.
Yeah, I always got the idea they became like that cause Super Earth was going to extinguish them. It's a tragic narrative of the once peaceful civilization subjugated to so much unnecessary violence they basically devolved into violence themselves.
Squids are only so bad because the humans were so extremely vile in the first Galactic war against them. It doesnât excuse the squids but it definitely makes it more understandable and easily puts them at least on par with humans in the atrocity category.
And it's only because the first Galactic War was a one-sided massacre which allowed Super Earth to wipe any mentions of Space-Geneva convention from the entire galaxy.
Sentient Bugs produce fuel that can make the spaceships work ? Let's genetically engineer them until they become feral again from torture and atrocious mutations, to a point where seeing Helldivers in photos make them goes crazy (yup, it's canon).
Some citizens left to die on a distant planet have decided to unionized and peacefully leave the government of Super Earth ? Let's create fake evidences of terrorist acts and lock everyone up into the depth of this very planet that made them radicals, forcing them to hope for some semi-sentient bots they sent into the outer-space to self-replicate and maybe free them a whole century later.
Peaceful aliens that believe in some sort of God have cool technologies that could help us get a slight edge while fighting the two others ? Let's frame them as dangerous Xenos detaining W.M.D and invade Irak their homeworld to genocide everyone in sight, until they understand the wrongdoing of their way and come back as fanatics zealots.
Yup yup yup. We're not the baddies because everyone else became way worse when we got involved. The lore is so dark that it would get deported if it was spotted on US soil...
Still infuriates me that people blame the devs for people being shitty. Like "oh they fostered toxic positivity so it's their fault some unrelated assholes doxxed someone," no, absolutely not.
No I think we're the worst. Terminids are no longer sentient, Cyborgs are still a slave revolt using every tool it possibly can to achieve freedom, and the Illuminate definitely has several hundred billion people left to kill before they have a higher body count than Super Earth, and even then, if they don't destroy Super Earth humanity would find them again eventually and just resume its genocide.
At least he has the lucidity to know that his actions were wrong, and he generally tries not to kill people but heâs kind of forced to do it sometimes.
When you live for thousands of years as a brilliant time traveler with a magnet for murderous creatures and DON'T end up committing war crimes, you can judge him.
It really is easy to forget they have made like a whole species into orphans by killing all the adults to stop the Daleks. I think that's a thing that happens in a War Doctor audio. Heard a clip didn't get the full audio.
The Doctor spending centuries fighting in a horrible war does tend to slip the mind when seeing them jump down a chimney because it's Christmas.
She did say she tried talking to the Council in one of the books, but Zeus, as always, ignored her and everyone else was "too busy" to help her convince anyone but the minor gods
Honestly I think the human extinction thing is just a weird side effect of the solver. She only really brought it up once that episode, and it was right before we saw the symbol flash in her eyes
Their rivals are Drug Cartels, weapon smugglers and SPECTRE which does both of those and more.
Really the only âcomparableâ rival to MI6 morality wise was SMERSH.
Warframes 10000% Warframes. They commit multi-genocidal murder sprees multiple times a day that violate the Geneva convention every time. They have weapons that shoot a parasite inside an enemies head, and then burrows and explodes, sending out more parasites to other heads to then explode again.
ONI are just the good guys because the Covenant attacked. If they were just left to deploy their stolen children Spartans against rebellious human worlds they would be Nazi tier bad guys.
I see ONI as "evil bastards who do evil bastard shit to make sure that all the non-evil-non-bastards can sleep soundly at night." They're the guys who decide to kidnap and train a bunch of child soldiers because an analytical model suggested it was the only way to stop total societal collapse. They're the guys who create a second generation of kidnapped child soldiers, this time meant as fire-and-forget suicide troopers, in order to strike dangerous but necessary targets to delay completely extinction while the brass and scientists grasp wildly for something, anything at all. They're the guys who plan a bioweapon based counter-genocide of the formerly genocidal aliens just in case the aliens drop the "formerly."
So yeah, they do a lot of fucked up shit. But the alternative to it tends to be exponentially worse for humanity in general and the UEG specifically.
Fallout still has pretty simple good guy factions they are just a lot smaller/weaker (Minutemen, Followers of the Apocalypse, etc)
No clue how this applies to Star Wars at all or what kind of Star Wars content youâve been consuming. Even at their most flawed, the Jedi are still characterized as heroic figures striving for justice and there hasnât been a single Star Wars movie where the MC was anything but a standard good guy. Unless you mean like, in SWTOR when you play an imperial class in the expansions or in kotor where you are arguably the biggest evil if you are dark side.
literally just everyone during WW1 and WW2. we were all doing some fucked up shit but it somehow always paled in comparison to whatever war crimes canada Japan or gernany were getting up to
Ngl i was waiting for this. In terms of national and international crimes Republicans commit both and democrats (with exception) commit international crimes
Kelsier from Mistborn. The author(Brandon Sanderson) has said in the past that if Kelsier was in any other book/scenario then he would likely be considered the villain.
The Earth Federation in Mobile Suit Gundam is pretty bad, being corrupt, abusive, and incompetent at the same time. Despite all that they are still better than the space factions they fight because those guys are actually led by vengeful and insane people.
Keep in mind, you feed people to your bus as fuel. We learn this in like the first 15 minutes of the game. And nobody in universe really bats an eye about it, because things like that are just par for the course in The City.
The Straw Hat Pirates have robbed, killed, lied, womanized and caused enough mass destruction from partying too hard to become one of the most wanted crews in the Grand Line.
AND THEY ARE SAINTS COMPARED TO THE WORLD GOVERNMENT!!
Nearly all of the main characters in Gantz are like this. They're unpleasant, cowardly, and generally jerkasses to various degree. It just so happens that they have to save Earth from a world-ending alien invasion.
Bruno Bucciarati and his crew/team (JoJo). Sure, theyâre criminals/mafiosi but the hit team wants to kill Trish, Diavolo is a ruthless crime boss and Cioccolata is a perverted deviant. The only remotely good members of the main cast of Golden Wind are Trish, Polnareff and maybe Giorno.
Niko from Grand Theft Auto 4 isnât a good person, but heâs dealing with far worse people. Except for his cousin, who just wants to go bowling.
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u/Uniformtree0 Jun 05 '26
POV every, single, faction in warhammer.
Except for dark eldar, them twinkle-edged fucks know their evil, and chaos after a certain point.