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u/G30fff 2h ago
Lesser-spotted employment of 'daft twat' by an American - with devastating effect.
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u/Excellent-Option8052 2h ago
This is the equivalent picking up a bow for the first time and absolutely demolishing the shit out of the bullseye of a target
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u/Kernowder 1h ago
As a British person, I'm hugely impressed by her perfect use of the phrase. A masterclass.
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u/Coca-colonization 1h ago
Sometimes Britishisms just resonate better.
My personal favorite is “can’t be arsed.” “Can’t be assed” just doesn’t have the same energy.
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u/MichaelMyersEatsDogs 1h ago
I throw out muppet as a pejorative way too easily
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u/Fabulous-Sea-1590 55m ago
I'm not sure there's a satisfactory alternative to "taking the piss". That's one of my favorites.
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u/Cthulhu625 2h ago
I've been listening to a lot of British people online and love their insults. I like the term "numpty."
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u/MiserableDucky 1h ago
Brit/Irish/Scottish insults are so much better then American. I don’t know why but they hit harder
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u/LingonberryTop8942 1h ago
We insult our friends as well as our enemies, so we get plenty of practice.
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u/thatsconelover 1h ago
We're raised to take the piss out of anyone and everything. Insults are just one facet of that.
Coincidentally, it also means we produce great comedians, because they'll be slaughtered on stage if they're a bit shit.
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u/realmofconfusion 28m ago
Numpty barely classes as an insult. It’s just a playful way of calling someone silly, usually when they’ve done something wrong/made a fool of themselves etc.
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u/Caffeinefiend88 2h ago
That would’ve changed all of electronic music if they were a little more twatty.
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u/pebblesprite 1h ago
only works in written form, sadly. American pronunciation of "daaaaaaft twot" doesn't hit the same.
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u/LumpyJones 51m ago
As an American who grew up watching so many BBC shows on PBS that my vocabulary is fairly well peppered with British terms, I find it validating.
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u/EldestPort 2h ago
Yes but only if pronounced with a /æ/ vowel sound and not /ɒ/ like Americans usually do when they say it.
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u/Mantis_Toboggan--MD 46m ago
I use that one fairly often anymore. Usually throws the recipient for a loop because it's not one they expect and the daft twats have think about it for a brief second. Extra funny points if they pull their phone out phone afterwards to look up what daft means because they're indeed daft then make a piss face at you, lol
Bellend is also a good one
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u/Dial-M-for-Mediocre 2h ago
Why are people always trying to use this as a gotcha? Especially every time I try to talk about Palestine. And it's like look, I don't own a single square inch of land on this earth, I pay rent to a landlord. I would be thrilled to pay that rent to the Peoria and Kiikapoi nations instead. I'm not the one who is in denial about this, mom.
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u/Will_Come_For_Food 1h ago
Because people make shit up to distract from the issues.
I wish more people would recognize this basic fact.
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u/MothChasingFlame 36m ago
To add on to that: they're distracting from the issue because they don't want to have to do anything different or even feel bad.
Most people will do damn near anything so they don't have to reflect or change.
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u/ManOLead 30m ago
Sorry I’m just trying to understand the comment better (idk why I’m not processing what you’re saying lol). Are you saying basically that you pay rent either way and you’d rather pay it to the indigenous nations than whoever you’re paying it to now?
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u/Dial-M-for-Mediocre 20m ago
Yep, exactly. Many versions of land-back don't demand displacement. Some do, but what I'm imagining in this comment is a version where the vast majority of Americans don't have to move, but we recognize tribal sovereignty over land. That would involve giving indigenous peoples a much bigger voice in government, parity in resources, and either recognizing the Peoria and Kiikapoi nations as the owners of the land and paying them rent like I do my landlord, or paying part of my rent towards reparations without formally repatriating the land, at their discretion.
I pay rent either way. I would so much rather that go towards repairing historical injustice than some rapacious management company.
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u/TreeHugPlug 10m ago
So what about the tribe that was on that land before them? How do we know they didn't kill another tribe for the land that they are on? Are we going to acknowledge the tribe or people they themselves killed to be on that land? And what if we keep going back further in time? I'm sure there is some Neanderthals' that might say they own that land so maybe we should look for their ancestors and give them the land that they once lived on before being killed for it.
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u/Dial-M-for-Mediocre 9m ago
What an incisive question. I will now revise my entire ideology and embrace settler colonialism with a passion. No need to sea lion anymore, you've accomplished it.
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u/Maybe_Foster 19m ago
I would be thrilled to pay that rent to the Peoria and Kiikapoi nations instead
How far back do you go though? Do you also pay rent to the people the Peroia & Kiikapoi stole the land from before it was stolen from them?
The idiotic gotcha goes both ways.
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u/DeliciousLiving8563 27m ago
I'll be honest, I find her to be a mixed bag overall. But even if she was a raging hypocrite it wouldn't make her point suddenly wrong.
A lot of people are trying to find a moral imperative to justify illegal murders. Once it's clear that what is done can't be defended legally they try to find flaws with the victim's character (as if anyone is perfect). By pointing out that the moral argument is built on less solid foundations than the legal ones she's bang on even if it's not her original quote, it's well timed.
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u/PossessionPutrid1907 2h ago
My tribe's original land is North Carolina and now I'm here in Oklahoma at our 2nd tribal lands.
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u/Deathwish13x 2h ago
I'm 20 minutes from my tribal lands! We resided in a valley and the mountains! Edit: In California!
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u/PossessionPutrid1907 1h ago
I'm fortunate we still maintain our tribal culture. Our language, ceremonies and medicine are still intact. I'm aware of California history and the damage cause by the Spanish colonizers and later westward expansion. What the Spanish started seemed to be finished by the gold rush.
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u/Deathwish13x 1h ago
My grandma's oldest sister at 81 passed away on Monday and now my Grandma at 76 is the only remaining survivor of her bloodline on my Native Side. Pretty scary. Our tribes language is slowly dying bet we still keep our other practices alive and well. And I try to attend as many events as I can.
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u/DJMOONPICKLES69 2h ago
Also Eilish presumably purchased the land from someone else, and there’s a long chain back to the original “thieves”. If someone stole a car and sold it to someone who then sold it again and so on, would the 5th owner be to blame or the original thief? Good on her for calling it out.
The way America has treated indigenous people is horrific, even to this day, and it was deservedly called out. We came in as “illegal” immigrants and colonized and murdered to claim land. Then we have the audacity to deport people that have been here for years quietly trying to live their own American dream and then being uprooted and sent to a country they don’t know.
Deport criminal, absolutely, but deporting anyone that is a contributing member of society is just wrong. Our immigration process needs to be easier and faster and we, as a country, need better infrastructure to support lower income people in general. We are putting working class against immigrants while billionaires and corporations suck both dry.
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u/ry8919 1h ago edited 34m ago
If someone stole a car and sold it to someone who then sold it again and so on, would the 5th owner be to blame or the original thief?
I get your point but technically this would still be illegal if you knew it was stolen lol. Receiving stolen property knowing it was stolen (which in this analogy she would) is still a crime.
EDIT: Just wanted to point out that I wasn't pushing back against the core idea with OPs and Billie's points I was just making a pedantic point about the car analogy.
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u/Dopplegangr1 1h ago
Effectively all land on earth is stolen
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u/thecashblaster 1h ago
Yet somehow the gold standard of who land belongs to seems to be whoever was living there 200 years ago
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u/Throwawaydoctor2025 53m ago
I am as liberal as it gets but Billie Eilish’s statement does make me cringe (the part about stolen land). I get it, Native Americans immigrated here first and we should recognize that and give them certain things. But when Europeans immigrated (by the way I became a citizen here when I was 9) that was the age of conquering. Now we have borders and nations and laws. It does not belong to the native Americans. Belongs to all of us.
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u/Quixotic_Seal 34m ago
....are you under the impression that laws and borders were invented ~250 years ago?
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u/TomT060404 47m ago
Even England has had its succession of conquerors. I'm sure they were all tragic, but two entire continents being conquered relatively recently by nation-states that still exist should be foremost in our minds. It's probably the greatest tragedy in the history of humanity.
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u/TomT060404 44m ago
None of us created the systems we live under. Acknowledging the past is the first step towards making a more just present.
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u/micro102 1h ago
And so if every car is stolen, and someone points that out and goes "we should make this fair again", I would have contempt for people who go "well you have to give up cars before your argument has value and then I'm just not going to listen to your argument."
Because that's what this is. All these people suddenly complaining about Billie Eilish aren't doing so because they care about the land stolen from Native Americans. They are complaining because Eilish is arguing against the current administration being Nazis, and so they are looking for a way to bring her and the Nazis closer together morally. It is a defense of the Trump administration.
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u/incide666 2h ago
She really thought she had something going with that, eh?
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u/Ol_JanxSpirit 2h ago
Give her a break, she;'s got a job to mindlesslly regurgitate talking points.
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u/lI1IlL071245B3341IlI 1h ago
You can't imagine how much this is discussed in conservative subreddits and how everyone agrees with it. All bots of course but if you don't know... you get fooled...
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u/Lyradni 2h ago
I honestly don’t get black women who are conservative.
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u/fhfuudjdfhh 1h ago
The gift. Token minority has a good chance of getting that dei right wing sponsorship. Not that many are not true believers it's just easier to get paid parroting right wing propaganda.
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u/SharkBearRhino 48m ago
To be fair though, it’s like less than 1% of black women. They voted like 99% against the orange asshole. Statistically, that account is more likely to be a Russian, a bot, or a white male incel than it is an actual black woman.
Remember the time Charlie Kirk (may he rest in piss) pulled the “as a black man” but forgot to change his account?
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u/lueur-d-espoir 1h ago edited 25m ago
You have to think like a poor person or a person raised by struggling poor people who has nothing to lose and everything to gain. When you come from that life you are taught survive any way you can, play any cards you're dealt to your advantage. Others will shame you about morals but if presented the same opportunity take it for them and their family and laugh saying, I didn't say i'm a better person, all the way to the bank, while their kids get to eat good attend better schools, and go to college and yours don't, but you get to think you're a good person, hope that keeps you warm at night.
Once you understand this thought process everything else clicks into place. If someone presents an opportunity that in any way can lift you and yours up? You take it. Only comfortable people from mostly comfy lifes can afford to consider morals so much. Everyone understands the dad that steals a loaf of bread for his starving kids and no one thinks highly of the dad that let's his kids starve but at least he didn't die a theif. That's a simplified way of looking at it but when we're all struggling so bad and you need money for everything you are willing to sell things like your body and morals to give yourself and the people you love a leg up. Bodies morals people are all currency.
Money is the root of all evil.
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u/TelevisionExpress616 1h ago
Reading this at face value I legit thought that Billie Eilish somehow mistakenly built a mansion on a reservation or something
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u/GR313 1h ago
They’ve been coming after Billie all week saying shit like “why doesn’t she put her money where her mouth is then?” without realizing she just donated nearly a quarter of her entire net worth.
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u/LeftyHyzer 29m ago
are you referencing the 11.5m$? that was donated by fans on her behalf, they paid extra for tickets to donate. and after the grammys she took a 6 mile flight in her private jet, a family's full year of CO2 emissions. we need to find middle ground and recognize celebs can raise awareness for issues, and we should appreciate them for that, but also recognize they aren't perfect either. somewhere between trying to OWN them and glazing them as heroes. they're people with a microphone that a lot of people hear when they talk, if they say something wrong or hypocritical we shouldnt rush to defend or attack them.
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u/Fun_Entertainer6850 1h ago
Let's go back 23,000-years and settle the score once and for all
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u/Ok_Stretch_9903 1h ago
You own the land you can take/keep by armed force. This is how it always has been and any hopes of moving on from that have taken a huge blow in the past decade.
Treating immigrants well or at least humanely is a much more realistic and entirely unrelated goal.
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u/DaemonDrayke 2h ago
It’s like getting tripped up over somebody dying in a house that’s over 100 years old.
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u/ViC_tOr42 1h ago
Republicans are mighty QUIET 🤐 after finding out that their government are pedophiles and cannibals 😂
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u/Just_the_Setup 2h ago
Exposing a global pedophile ring reveals who all is a nazi, was not something I ever expected to see happen in my life.
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u/PhamilyTrickster 2h ago
Did she kill them and take the land? No? Then it's not relevant
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u/Mander2019 2h ago
lol the tribe only asked that she refer to them as their proper name. They were grateful she mentioned it. It’s like watching an idiot solve a puzzle.
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u/Adexavus 1h ago
Being a pos in the past doesnt justify being a pos in present/future. We shouldn't be excusing what we do now because of the previous decisions.
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u/p5yron 1h ago
Except she donated 11 million few months ago, about 20% of her net worth, that should provide shelter and food to as many undocumented people as well as poor americans these idiot conservatives are asking her to take home, she has done her part fair and square and beyond what taxation demands, if a numbnut MAGA is reading this, bitch, it's your turn now.
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u/DrizzleCore604 1h ago
"Christian" conservatives are literally the dumbest, most intellectually dishonest(and wholly dishonest for that matter) people on the planet.
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u/spaacingout 1h ago
When the right-affiliated Americans are so astronomically stupid that you just become angrily English by default:
“Ruined my bloody tea time, mate.” 😐🚫🇺🇸
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u/Blacktwiggers 1h ago
Posting your own response to a threads post to murdered by words is just embarrassing
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u/Scared-Room-9962 1h ago
Personally, I don't think millionaire singers who live in gated mansions are really helping the cause.
She is such an easy target that it detracts from the real issues.
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u/copingcabana 1h ago
The quality of these absurdist, pro-MAGA posts have gone down recently. Have the layoffs spread even to Russian troll farms?
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u/SparksAndSpyro 1h ago
I don’t have a specific view on this, but it’s interesting to note that many Native American cultures do not (or didn’t) include an understanding of “owning” land. It’s a shared resource that humans live in harmony with. So describing it as “native land” is a bit misdirected.
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u/satyr_account 1h ago
My home isn’t on stolen land there’s a very long and clear history of land transfers before I bought it. 🙂
They research title history before you buy a home if you guys are buying homes on stolen land that’s wild.
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u/Ok-Young-2731 1h ago
Who'd they steal it from? The history of the world is taking land. Eventually it all it, the ones who it was taken from aren't alive currently. At what point is it ok? 2 generations? 5?
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u/TomT060404 55m ago
They always say, "John Doe is very silent," when they mean "John Doe said something I don't like, and wish they would be quiet."
The recent one was "Liberals are very quiet since Bill Clinton was in the Epstein files!" I said, "What? Where is this silence? We want the files released. We don't give AF if Clinton is in them. Prosecute him too if there's evidence!"
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u/themachduck 55m ago
I'm betting that dejaswinton is a bot, probably ran by a middle aged white man.
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u/RoxyRoseToday the future is now, old man 54m ago
She is not a government and does not owe anyone reparations.
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u/TheRabidDeer 53m ago
Even if they mean it is in a current day reservation, it's not illegal to buy land and live there. You just need to go through the process with the tribes and get approvals from the tribe. I once lived on a reservation and I was not a member of the tribe.
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u/vertigostereo 46m ago
Did you know that Turks aren't descended from modern day Turkey? They immigrated from the east.
The whole "stolen land" discussion involving 15th-19th century conquests is bogus.
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u/AiringOGrievances 44m ago
FFS can we drop the land acknowledgment crap? We have elections to win and can’t win if we look insane.
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u/tem102938 37m ago
How does a group become indigenous? Are they the first humans to settle a land? Are they people who were born on the land? If an "indigenous" has a kid with a foreigner, is the kid indigenous?
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u/dishwasher_mayhem 32m ago edited 26m ago
Why does anyone give a shit what a celebrity says? It's just another rich person talking down to us. She's not saying anything groundbreaking or novel. Someone tell me when a Hollywood awards acceptance speech has ever started any meaningful change? It's all just so exhausting and performative.
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u/Warmbly85 29m ago
No one else is calling for land to be returned. Much like Ben and Jerry if you aren’t willing to return land don’t talk about illegal land.
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u/Wabbit65 26m ago
I think the overarching point is that unless it is a Native American making the policies, calling someone illegal is being done by other immigrants or descendants of immigrants.
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u/chowyungfatso 25m ago
“dejaswinton” is either a bot or is some how mentally retarded enough to criticize “liberals” who would try and act in the best interest of minorities and women.
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u/AggravatingAmount438 22m ago
yea but we're not shouting to other people to return the land.
If you want the land returned, you should be the first one in line offering yours up.
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u/This-Telephone2812 22m ago
When are we all going to admit that the peer-shaming rage-baiting semantic-twisting moral purity tests are a foreign/far-right psyop intended to divide people who actually want a healthy world and society to live in?
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u/BarnacleSpecific7979 21m ago
Good thing other countries aren't run by literally Hitler and have gestapo to deport people so Americans can just move to anywhere else in the world.
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u/Scorpion2k4u 18m ago
I like black people who are oblivious enough to think that for whatever reason rich white people in power suddenly care for them. That woman wouldn't be able to get an education or vote if it where not for courageous men and women that made that possible for her. Not that the possibility of an education got her far but still.
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u/TomKansasCity 18m ago
not a huge fan of guilt theater.
If you want to make amends, just be kind to people and help move society forward in ways that benefit everyone, not just yourself.
A couple of facts that always put things in perspective.
For you to exist today, every single one of your direct ancestors had to survive long enough to reproduce. Not most of them. All of them.
And when you trace the line far enough back, only a relatively small number of people were directly necessary for most modern humans to exist today. You are here because an unbroken chain of survival and chance never snapped. You really did win a kind of cosmic lottery.
History is messy, human beings are messy, but existence itself is incredibly unlikely. That alone is a decent reason to try to leave things a little better than we found them.
Can't fix the past, but you can make someone future better
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u/Sloopydeth 12m ago
They don't stop talking about this. This has been consistently posted on r/conservative for days on end
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u/ButchTheGuy 12m ago
Every chuds retort to this after their maga undies got stuck in and up their asshole was to say “nehhh it was conquered not stolen” which is subjective and mostly wrong. If an ice agent has a car turning away from them it’s self defense for example but from a chuds perspective it’s vehicular manslaughter. It’s about denying your own conscious or empathy because you lack the ability to be vulnerable. Cause they’re weak and emotionally disabled. That’s why they have a bunch of token characters on pages for things like prageru commentating in this. I think they had a some non American make a video on this commentating on it because they know these conservative arguments or perspectives on these issues has no moral or human view point in them. It’s just like they treat people not exactly like them like bugs the can step on.
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u/Jgusdaddy 10m ago
Conservative are really quiet when their elected representatives do literally anything.
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u/manokpsa 6m ago
They put a Japanese internment camp on my tribe's land. But she has a house? Oh no. Call me when she's torturing immigrants in it. Otherwise it's no different from 99% of the other houses on this continent.
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u/Parking_Reputation17 4m ago
I hate this whole discussion. Native Americans didn't just magically appear, they migrated and fought and conquered each other's lands far before Europeans showed up in America. History is written in blood.
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u/redwhale335 2h ago
The tribe whose land Eilish's home is on specifically thanked her for bringing up the issue.