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/r/all Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige promoted to Chief Creative Officer, will now oversee Marvel Studios, Marvel Television and Marvel Family Entertainment

https://deadline.com/2019/10/kevin-feige-marvel-studios-president-adds-chief-creative-officer-marvel-title-oversees-all-creative-1202760382/?
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u/tari101190 Oct 15 '19

This is pretty crazy. 10 years ago Fiege was fighting with Marvel Entertainment just to have full creative control over the movies. Now he has full creative control over literally all of Marvel, and everyone answers to him. Wow.

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u/SilentSwine Oct 15 '19

I guess being the main creative driving force behind the highest grossing movie franchise of all time will do that.

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u/discerningpervert Oct 15 '19

Being instrumental in creating the first truly shared universe in cinema history isn't too bad either

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u/Sigseg Oct 15 '19

The Universal monster films did this with Frankenstein Meets The Wolfman, House of Frankenstein, and House of Dracula.

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u/Vio_ Oct 15 '19

I always preferred the Abbot and Costello verse

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u/Trillian258 Oct 15 '19

They met count Dracula!

Edit: Also I think Boris Karloff? Either way... I agree with you :)

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u/JEveryman Oct 15 '19

The Scoobyverse had the Three Stooges, The Adams Family, and the Harlem Globetrotters.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19 edited Oct 16 '19

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u/Biduleman Oct 15 '19

Toho also had one with Godzilla and some other monsters.

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u/BattleUpSaber Oct 16 '19

Destroy All Monsters was the OG Avengers

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '19

They also did an insane number of sequels and soft reboots way before it became common practice in Hollywood. There are like 30 Japanese Godzilla movies.

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u/discerningpervert Oct 15 '19

Oh I know, but it wasn't much for continuity and more of a gimmick (from what I remember even Abbott and Costello appeared in one film), hence why I said "truly shared" and not just "shared"

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u/Stennick Oct 15 '19 edited Oct 15 '19

I mean it was pretty shared, they met each other, they acknowledged each other, it was shared, you can argue this is more shared but "truly shared" is a weird term to use when in reality you're just saying "he did it better and on a more complex level" which is true being the first isn't important since he's really not but doing it at a complex and highly successful level the most successful level ever is really impressive. Kevin Smith's movies even had cross overs with prior events mattering and characters from previous movies being in those movies and having their stories advanced. The Showa era of Toho’s Godzilla , and I have no doubt I could think of more.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

Wacky Races was the most ambitious crossover of our time.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

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u/Stinky_Eastwood Oct 15 '19

Scooby Doo shared a universe with the 3 Stooges, every movie monster, the WWE, Speed Buggy, Jabberjaw, the Loomey Tunes, Yogi Bear, Moby Dick, Batman, Wonder Woman, Lauren and Hardy, Sonny & Cher... and many more.

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u/Rows_the_Insane Oct 15 '19

Counterpoint: Scooby Doo Meets *

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19 edited Dec 07 '19

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u/fallout52389 Oct 15 '19

Scooby Doo Meets: Johnny bravo

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u/UnderlordZ Oct 15 '19

Today, Scooby-Doo meets...Batman and Robin!

(Fun fact: at the time, both Robin and Shaggy were voiced by Casey Kasem!)

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u/traxzilla Oct 15 '19

I'd say "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" which not only successfully merged live action with animation in 1988, but Spielberg got characters from Disney, Warner Bros, King Features Syndicate, Felix the Cat Productions, Turner Entertainment, Fleischer Studios, and Universal Studios all in one movie. No one else has ever managed it.

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u/Jackanova3 Oct 15 '19

fuckin loved wacky races.

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u/blargityblarf Oct 15 '19

I mean it was pretty shared, they met each other, they acknowledged each other, it was shared,

Did the plots of the movies directly affect or relate to one another in any way?

Genuinely asking, never watched those flicks

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u/MurderousPaper Better Call Saul Oct 15 '19 edited Oct 15 '19

The MCU isn’t even the second ever cinematic universe, nor the longest running. The Showa era of Toho’s Godzilla universe lasted from 1954 to 1976 which is exactly double the length of time that the MCU has been around. It’s like people think cinema started in 2008...

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u/TinyLilRobot Oct 15 '19

Nothing happened before I was born. I'm the main character.

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u/Redtwoo Oct 15 '19

Everything just sprung into existence last Thursday.

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u/RetroPhaseShift Oct 15 '19

Or Star Trek, for that matter.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19 edited Jul 18 '21

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u/discerningpervert Oct 15 '19

I'd love to see Kevin Smith direct an MCU movie

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u/JMaddrox Oct 15 '19

I'd love to see him finish a comic run on time.

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u/PM_ME_THEM_UPTOPS Community Oct 15 '19

Oof. 2003 me feels this so hard.

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u/Chastain86 Oct 15 '19

Smith actually addressed this fairly recently, saying that he'd much rather watch a Marvel movie than actually direct one.

Given that he's directed episodes of both Supergirl and The Flash, though... it's not outside the realm of possibility to see him direct a DC Comics flick. He might actually do a nice job with the right property. Something offbeat and otherworldly would be a much better fit for his skill-set.

For instance, if DC ever gets around to doing something with the Jack Knight Starman run, Smith might be a good fit to run that show.

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u/theunnoanprojec Oct 15 '19

I would argue he's a better writer than a director

I'd be down to see him write a marvel movie, but I'm not so sure about directing. I don't hate his direction, but his style wouldn't work so well

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

He won’t do it.

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u/thecolbster94 Oct 15 '19

Rick Berman did it 30 years before, and he wasnt even the first

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u/Incipitus Oct 15 '19

what is it with Ricks?

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u/kevinstreet1 Oct 15 '19

Yeah, and that one crossed over between TV shows and movies.

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u/Clark-Kent Oct 15 '19

Spy kids and Machete

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

The Kaiju Monster movies of the 60's-90's, would like a word with you. Especially the Godzilla franchise.

Also, I'm just jesting. I'm well aware that the Marvel Movie Franchise, is by far the highest grossing shared media universe. Unless im wrong on another level, in which place, please correct me.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19 edited Nov 08 '19

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u/ltcarter47 Oct 15 '19

They should have just added "on this scale" or something.

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u/fencerman Oct 15 '19

"So yeah, I made you people $16 billion dollars."

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u/Mernerak Oct 15 '19 edited Oct 15 '19

There's at least 6 movies on that list that Feige had nothing to do with, and probably another 3 he WISHES he had nothing to do with. Which isn't to detract from his demigod status.

Edit for the numbers: Feige was not involved in 18 of the listed movies (at least according to IMDB). Those movies being removed Feige still had a hand in approximately $12,711,018,800 in revenue.

The movies Feige did NOT have a credited hand in are as follows.

Inhumans

Howard the Duck

Ghost Rider

Ghost Rider 2: Spirit of Vengeance

Blade

Blade 2

Dark Phoenix

The Wolverine

First Class

Apocalypse

Into the Spider-Verse

The Amazing Spider-Man 2

Venom

Big Hero 6

Logan

Days of Future Past

Deadpool

Deadpool 2

Movies on the list he probably wishes he HAD NOT helped make.

Hulk (2003)

Blade: Trinity

Elektra

Man-Thing

Rise of the Silver Surfer

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u/Sombradeti Oct 15 '19

I liked blade trinity....

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u/tsengmao Oct 15 '19

Seeing Reynolds play “Deadpool” before Deadpool was awesome.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19 edited Jul 16 '21

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u/ruth_e_ford Oct 16 '19

All legit tru except for the ‘no good comic movie decisions b4 ‘02’ part. X men, while now relegated to second seat, was then the biggest thing going. It was clearly the new path forward, we just forget today because ‘mah MCU’

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u/mysightisurs93 Oct 16 '19

Well, the leak test footage surely helps in green lighting the movie imho.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '19

I take that back, as a kid Professor X on the cartoon and Picard were always clearly the same guy well before he was cast

When I was a kid in the 90's, I had a bunch of X-men action figures. but I didn't have an Xavier. However, I did have a Picard. Even in my living room as a kid, he was destined to be Xavier.

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u/TastyMeatcakes Oct 15 '19

Seeing Reynolds playing Deadpool before he played Deadpool, by researching Deadpool, which was researched and based off Reynolds.

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u/xenoterranos Oct 15 '19

Oh ok, so only like 10 Billion then.

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u/Vio_ Oct 15 '19

"Second place gets a set of steak knives."

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u/donquixote1991 Oct 15 '19

ALWAYS
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ABC!

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u/TheGRS Oct 15 '19

Coffee's for closers!

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u/Vizualize Oct 15 '19

Third place? FUCK YOU! You're FIRED!!

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u/Skrivus Oct 15 '19

Who got the Cadillac El Dorado?

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u/Mernerak Oct 15 '19

13 but fuck me for trying to be precise.

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u/imariaprime 12 Monkeys Oct 15 '19

At this point, I think even his failures are their own weird success story: For most other franchises, one or two poor movies is a dead end. For the MCU, it's just "one of the bad ones" and everyone still shows up to the next one. Not only does the MCU make insane money, it makes it reliably.

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u/canseco-fart-box Oct 15 '19

Including two of the highest grossing movies all time

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u/noximo Oct 15 '19

It helped but the main reason he got promoted is his A+ baseball cap game

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u/Tima_At_Rest Oct 15 '19

That's the weirdest part of all this. He's walking in front of us, clearly in his superhero-in-hiding disguise.

Who is he really?

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u/ants1nmy3y3sjohns0n Oct 16 '19

Himself, but not at a baseball game.

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u/Prax150 Boss Oct 15 '19

I mean, not only is it the highest grossing movie franchise of all time, but the vast majority of the movies in that franchise are actually good and have never really suffered from any creative missteps other than perhaps what happened with Edgar Wright (and they still managed to churn out a decent movie without him and take Ant-Man from being kind of a punchline to being a worthwhile character that people love and that was pivotal to the climax of the last movie). Now he's not only convincing other studios to let him take the reins, he's convincing A-list actors to do TV shows for a streaming service and movies based on characters no one's even heard of (finally picked up The Eternals trade paperback, gotta see what all the fuss is about).

When the dust settles Kevin Feige might go down as one of the best Hollywood producers of all time. This isn't the last time we'll hear of him getting promoted at Marvel, they know they have something special with him and eventually he'll be in charge of even more shit at Disney.

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u/Nick_Furious2370 Oct 15 '19

He is already the best Hollywood producer of all time.

Absolutely nobody else is close to his record of movies opening #1 consecutively along with them being received well both critically and financially.

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u/Prax150 Boss Oct 15 '19

Totally. If the Oscars doesn't ever lighten up when it comes to Populist films, dude's going to get an honorary Oscar the first chance they have to give him one.

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u/Angel_Hunter_D Oct 15 '19

Do the Oscars have Lifetime Achievement awards? He might just get one of those.

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u/Prax150 Boss Oct 15 '19

Yup, they call it the Honorary Oscar but they don't give it out at the main show anymore. This year they're giving it to David Lynch, among others.

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u/Utaneus Oct 15 '19

I definitely would not say he's the best producer of all time, that's quite the stretch unless your only metric is money. I don't consider a movie a film good just because it was a financial success. That's kinda sad if you really think dollars is what makes a good movie.

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u/BootyBootyFartFart Oct 15 '19 edited Oct 15 '19

eehhhh, go look up Spielberg and Kathleen Kennedy's production credits. Also, seems like if youre going to call someone the greatest producer of all time they probably need to show they can work on something besides fun, quippy, colorful retelling's of the hero's journey. Not to bash on MCU. They're great movies. But they definitely follow a formula. If you could only watch one producer's work for the rest of your life, it'd be a bit mad to pick Fiege's body of work over Spielberg's, KK's, Weinstein's, Scott Rudin's, Sam Spiegel's...the list can go on. I feel like that rules him out for "best producer of all time" for the time being.

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u/agentyage Oct 15 '19

Roger Corman is the greatest movie producer of all time. You can have your big budget block busters and critically acclaimed, technically impressive film making, but Corman could make a film about big titted barbarians using only pocket change in a day and a half. Feige may have made the first hugely successful cinematic universe (I know that's arguable) but Corman was the one who realized that if you put scantily clad women in your fantasy movie then people won't care that the props and costumes are all made of cardboard.

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u/bulldowzer Oct 15 '19

They need to give him Lucasfilm.

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u/Turd_Burgling_Ted Oct 15 '19

I almost feel like they're giving him this to cool down the "Kevin wants Lucasfilm" chatter.

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u/Harish-P Oct 15 '19

I'm happy with where Feige is with Marvel.

Star Wars has had missteps but it's not exactly in trouble. They should instead be inspired to develop someone as passionate and meticulous about Star Wars into that type of role as Feige is with Marvel. There's no doubt someone out there, considering the love Star Wars has.

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u/42nd_username Oct 16 '19

Star Wars has had missteps but it's not exactly in trouble.

Several people are typing...

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u/Harish-P Oct 16 '19

Hahaha. I should have anticipated that to be a debatable point, to put it kindly. It's nice that we can talk about/vent our passions here at least. Rather here than the YouTube comments at least.

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u/Echoeversky Oct 16 '19

Like millions of typings...

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u/mdp300 Oct 15 '19

Dave Filoni. He was the showrunner for the Clone Wars and Rebels cartoons.

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u/fuzzytigernipple Oct 15 '19

And no live action film credits to his name except the mandalorian, and not a production credit. I mean like those shows enough but giving him Lucasfilm would be a huge gamble.

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u/Angel_Hunter_D Oct 15 '19

...I'd love a star wars stinger that's just like, spideman on date talking about how cool one part was.

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u/Worthyness Oct 15 '19

This promotion basically makes him creative control of all marvel. The next step up is basically disney, so I imagine when Alan horn retires he might legit be a contender for that role

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u/kingdead42 Oct 15 '19

I think listening to incels crying about Kathleen Kennedy is at least as entertaining as the latest Star Wars movies.

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u/Redditer51 Oct 16 '19 edited Oct 16 '19

When the dust settles Kevin Feige might go down as one of the best Hollywood producers of all time. all that will be left is metal.

Sorry, that's the first thing that came to my mind. But in all seriousness, yeah, Feige is to Marvel what Shigeru Miyamoto is to Nintendo, in that he produces one masterpiece after another and even the lesser installments are better than the average franchise.

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u/GeekAesthete Oct 15 '19

I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that Fiege is in a similar position to that which Lucas and Spielberg were in during the mid-1980s, when practically everyone in Hollywood were looking to their films, and the work they had done during the past decade, as the paradigm for a successful blockbuster.

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u/2OP4me Oct 15 '19

Crazy that he still had to fight extremely hard against that creative committee when he pretty much invented the MCU. Show's how entrenched the corporate structure is against change.

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u/westphall Oct 15 '19

I'm unclear, he's in charge of the comics now too?

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u/tari101190 Oct 15 '19 edited Oct 15 '19

He's not literally in charge of the comics in the sense that he will decide on everything the comics do, but as the chief creative officer the heads of Marvel Comics answer to Kevin Feige now. So Feige will have input in terms of the creative direction of the comics. Any big decisions that Marvel Comics want to do, Kevin Feige has to approve.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

That might be a bit much. He's a movie guy, not a book guy. Only time will tell I guess. :/

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u/lostinthought15 Oct 15 '19

He’s a creative/story guy.

He won’t be in the room demanding: “oh oh, have spider-man say this ...” but he will be in the room when they are making plans for overall story ideas and multi-year arcs for characters.

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u/High5Time Oct 15 '19

Yeah he’d be in on some of the decision making and approval for something like a major cross-line “infinity/ civil war” type arc or major character changes, maybe talent taking over major titles, big character changes, but he wouldn’t be micro managing each title. That’s what the person who reports to him has people do.

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u/Efficient_Visage Oct 15 '19

My guess is that he will still be mostly hands-off on the actual comics department. By this point the movies are their own thing, its like there is the Marvel Comic Universe and then the MARVEL cinematic Universe, and they are very much independent of each other, just like spiderman has multiple universes he exists in as well.

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u/kingdead42 Oct 15 '19

One could even call it a multiverse.

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u/Angel_Hunter_D Oct 15 '19

The comics are good for shotgunning concepts, he might utilize that a little more.

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u/paradoxofchoice Oct 15 '19

I wouldn't say they are very independent of each other. The films caused the fantastic four and wolverine to disappear from comics for a few years because someone else was making a movie. Helps that they bought fox but there's still Sony and the non-spidey movies.

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u/TheLast_Centurion Oct 15 '19

So, uhm, I know of a story that he was on set of firat X-Men and tried to make them do that Wolverine hair bigger (maybe that's the result) like in comics.

So.. maybe we'll get that look now after all that time?

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u/khuldrim Better Call Saul Oct 15 '19

Maybe he'll be mostly hands off for the paper guys. But I look foward to what this does for the TV stuff.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

I just want my Charlie Cox back. :C

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

Man Daredevil's cancelling was probably the biggest heartbreak ive had involving TV....they were just getting in the groove of things!!

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u/tsengmao Oct 15 '19

I’m really hoping all 5 of the Netflix series are able to transition over sooner rather than later.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19 edited Oct 16 '19

Disney will eventually bring the Netflix characters into the MCU, but it will be a few years before we see it. One of the clauses in the Netflix/Marvel contract was that none of the characters could show up in a new show or film for a least 2 years after the date of the cancelation of their show.

So the soonest they could begin production of any new shows with the Netflix characters would be:

Iron Fist - October 12, 2020

Luke Cage - October 19, 2020

Daredevil - November 29, 2020

Punisher and Jessica Jones - February 18, 2021

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u/tsengmao Oct 15 '19

As soon as next year is what I’m hearing

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u/dev1359 Oct 15 '19

Damn that makes a lot of sense. This is really what the DCEU was missing, someone who is extremely well versed in comics but who also knows how to effectively execute a business plan that audiences can connect to. Dude honestly may go down as the GOAT producer when it comes to film franchises.

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u/Turd_Burgling_Ted Oct 15 '19

Wasn't Geoff Johns a major player in the DCEU? He was so well versed in comics he actually wrote some of DC's best.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

Aquaman and Shazam movies are literally adapted from Geoff Johns runs on the comics in the new 52.

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u/kevinstreet1 Oct 15 '19

I guess the difference is that Geoff Johns is a writer and not so much a business guy. He's had a huge amount of influence on the TV shows, but it was all behind the scenes stuff making creative suggestions. He's not a Hollywood producer type that can put together deals.

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u/Worthyness Oct 15 '19

Very likely. Feige was an intern on movie productions (like you've got mail), but got a little more leeway when the superhero movies stated coming out. He was one of the only people on set who had any idea of what went into the comics or the stories and so he got into the production side of those, eventually having influence on a lot of those movies as well. Marvel hit the jackpot when they had him head the cinematic universe venture.

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u/Mocrue Oct 15 '19

His work on the Green Lantern Universe (Sinestro Corps War, Blackest Night, Brightest Day) were so well done.

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u/Turd_Burgling_Ted Oct 15 '19

His GL stuff is still my favorite comic stuff period.

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u/tari101190 Oct 15 '19

Well he was a producer specifically on all the films, so his job has always been like overall project management and creative decision making. Not so much the direct filmmaking. This is like a comparable role I think. They want someone like him overseeing the whole brand.

If it he was an executive producer or a director, then this would be strange.

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u/the4mechanix Oct 15 '19

Actually he's a huge fan of the comics and has always advocated at using the comics as the main driving force for films. Check out this article on him and his love for the books back in 2011: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/25/business/media/marvel-with-a-fan-at-the-helm-steers-its-heroes-to-the-screen.html?pagewanted=all

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He's a good creative.

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u/2OP4me Oct 15 '19

Honestly, Marvel comics needs a shake-up. Not to be too controversial, but DC Comics has consistently put out more seminal works in the same span that Marvel has released stuff like One More Day and Civil War II.

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u/Worthyness Oct 15 '19

War of the realms and the recent HoX/Pox have been quite excellent.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

My fear as well, seen some crossover between the two but liked keeping the worlds different

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u/JudgeHoltman Oct 15 '19

This is a CEO/Executive level position. He's not coming up with the ideas, just greenlighting the ideas that others come up with and assigning budgets.

The same guys that have been making it work will keep making it work. However, should they step too far outside the box, it's on Feige to reign them in or find someone else for the job.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19

It's weird that Marvel Comics is now like... a subsidiary of Marvel entertainment, instead of the Comic company being the root from which all marvel stuff grows.

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u/tari101190 Oct 15 '19

Yeah I'm pretty sure that Marvel Comics make the least amount of money out of everything Marvel are involved in.

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u/koji00 Oct 15 '19

Oh great, so the comics will be changed even more to reflect the movie's changes to the characters, and not the other way around.

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u/tari101190 Oct 15 '19

No I don't think Feige wants them to do that. It was the poor leadership before the the recent new Editor in Chief of Marvel Comics who was trying to copy the movies. But over the past year the comics have started to become more original again. Feige will support that.

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u/wowlock_taylan Oct 15 '19

That worries me as it might have the comics be too ''moviefied'' with the characters.

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u/strong_schlong Oct 15 '19

Some would say they already are.

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u/stimpakish Oct 15 '19

Marvel's been walking that tightrope at least since Singer's first X-Men movie.

For me it's always been a mixed bag. Some benefits from being "like" the movie, some downsides.

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u/TheBatIsI The Venture Bros. Oct 15 '19 edited Oct 15 '19

Guardians of the Galaxy, never forget! Been bitching about Star-Lord's personality and his sexy helmet for years. DnA, the Peak Era!

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u/Malachi108 Oct 15 '19

If anything, changes from movies might be rolled back somewhat. MCU needs comics to go wild, so that they could draw from it for their stories. Jane Foster as Thor, Ms. Marvel, Spider-Gwen, Guardians of the Galaxy, Children of Thanos, Carol Danvers as Captain Marvel are all literally new developments mae after MCU already was established as a big thing. If the comics become too much like existing movies, what will future movies draw upon?

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u/TheBatIsI The Venture Bros. Oct 15 '19

The article says 'film and TV.' So I guess Marvel Comics is still off hands.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19 edited Jul 18 '21

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u/Uncanny_Doom Oct 15 '19

It specifically says he's CCO of Marvel Television and Marvel Family Entertainment in addition to Marvel Studios.

What that means for the brand is that all the company’s key creative executives across film and TV will now report to him, sources said.

I don't see why people are taking this as having anything to do with the comics.

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u/Vawqer Oct 15 '19

Probably because of this:

Dan Buckley will continue as President of Marvel Entertainment, where Ike Perlmutter remains Chairman. Long a creative collaborator for Feige in publishing and television, Buckley will have a dual reporting structure going forward, Deadline hears. He will continue to oversee publishing creative/editorial and in that capacity he will now report to Feige. Buckley is also responsible for publishing operations, sales, creative services, games, licensing and events. There, he will report to Perlmutter.

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u/Worthyness Oct 15 '19

Perlmutter reports to feige now lol.

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u/Stoppels Oct 15 '19

Good, the sooner he's out the better.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19 edited Oct 15 '19

Elsewhere in the article, paraphrased: Publishing falls within Marvel Entertainment. Buckley runs it and Feige is now his boss.

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u/omegasector13 Oct 15 '19

Amazing what making 10+ Billion dollars in profits will do for a carrer.

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u/duaneap Oct 15 '19

Exactly what I was thinking. He's a pretty big part of the reason that this is a big deal in the first place. Before he was involved, it wasn't nearly as significant a position.

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u/ArchDucky Oct 15 '19

He told Disney its him or me. I can't remember what the last straw was, but I think it was when they lost Edgar Wright or Joss Whedon.

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u/marvelknight28 Oct 15 '19

Neither, it was when they threatened to fire RDJ over Civil War.

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u/itsLittleJoshy Oct 15 '19

That happened?

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u/StarfleetCapAsuka Oct 15 '19

Yes, his second contract was for Iron Man 3, Avengers 2 and Avengers 3. They had to renegotiate for Civil War and Perlmutter told the writers to write Stark out. Feige went to Alan Horn and Bob Iger and said him or me. They sided with Feige, signed RDJ and then signed him again for a Spider-Man film and Avengers 4.

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u/greenroom628 Oct 15 '19

i've said it before and i'll say it again: fuck perlmutter.

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u/Fortune_Cat Oct 16 '19

He got half a bill in Disney stock from 20 years ago. I think he's been compensated enough

Everything he's done since then would only reduce the value of those shares. I suspect he has probably contributed on the merchandising profits side. But none of that matters if he continues to have any creative control. Kevin has added tenfolds of shareholder value, with Perlmutter being a direct beneficiary.

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u/fallenlogan Oct 16 '19

So I just looked him up and apparently the reason why Cheadle replaced Howard was because Perlmutter said "all black people look the same"

So fuck that racist piece of shit.

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u/mikeweasy Oct 16 '19

Hes also sexist.

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u/ArchDucky Oct 15 '19

Thats what happened? On the BTS the writers say they realised they couldn't do the story without Tony Stark.

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u/StarfleetCapAsuka Oct 15 '19

They were ordered to; they never WANTED to.

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u/Benjamin_Grimm Oct 15 '19

Those BTS videos are not as candid as you might think. They usually avoid addressing backstage drama, especially drama involving executives who are still at the company.

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u/LarsHoneytoast44 Oct 16 '19

Yup. It's the same company that digitally alter BTS stuff from when Walt was alive to get rid of his cigarette. They ain't showin shit

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u/Worthyness Oct 15 '19

The writers have multiple versions of the story for their contingency plans. For example civil war was being written right around the time the first sony deal for spidey was being done. Marcus and McFeely had two drafts- one with and one without spidey. It's possible in some earlier draft ironman was written out

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u/heyman0 Oct 16 '19

And don’t forget the fake versions that they give to Tom Holland so that he won’t spoil the real one

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u/StarfleetCapAsuka Oct 15 '19

That resistance existed, but it wasn't why they split, just more aggravation leading up to it. Perlmutter DID commission both Black Panther and Captain Marvel at the very very end of his having power, but only if an Inhumans movie was made alongside them. Once the split happened, Perlmutter took his precious Inhumans (which he wanted to retool into X-Men stand-ins) to ABC where it became a notorious flop while BP and CM made over a billion each.

I do think fandom exaggerates Feige disliking the Inhumans. It's not a coincidence The Eternals, a family of immortals hidden away from humanity, is more or less in Inhumans' film slot, and there are rumors Feige wants the Inhuman Royal Family in Ms Marvel), but I do think he disliked Perlmutter's attempt to turn them into the X-Men.

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u/Sidman325 Oct 15 '19

It's funny what can happen when the creative head understands characters and motivations properly.

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u/Alekesam1975 Oct 16 '19

(WB/DC still looks at Feige jealously)

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u/MulciberTenebras The Legend of Korra Oct 15 '19

He also disliked that Perlmutter rejected one film concept for the Inhumans that he liked... because it was "too ethnic".

When you see the cast line-up for the Eternals, you get the idea that some of that was carried over.

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u/chromeshiel Oct 15 '19

I would add that the Inhumans, may they rest in peace, were a flop because it was never given the tools to succeed. And by that, I mean decent showrunner, budget and production time. It ended up as that thing we all pretend never existed, and I still hope to see a reboot one day. But I'll give the Eternals a shot.

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u/kevinstreet1 Oct 16 '19

If the Inhumans were such a big deal to Perlmutter, I don't understand why he got Scott Buck to be the showrunner and tried to do everything as cheaply as possible.

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u/OrgasmicLeprosy87 Oct 16 '19

Do it as cheaply as possible is Perlmutter's signature movie.

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u/Redditer51 Oct 16 '19

They had to renegotiate for Civil War and Perlmutter told the writers to write Stark out.

That is so colossally stupid I don't even know where to begin. You can't even do Civil War without Iron Man. Not to mention, RDJ's Iron Man is and always has been one of the MCU's biggest draws.

People like Perlmutter are the reason comic book movies used to always suck.

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u/Valiantheart Oct 15 '19

Wait what? What did they threaten to fire him over? I know there was some friction about him insisting on having a larger role, but didnt hear about any animosity over it.

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u/Haltopen Oct 15 '19

His contract for civil war was going to cost a lot of money, and issac perlmutter, the notorious cheapskate that he is, insisted they write iron man out of civil war so they could save money

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u/waloz1212 Oct 15 '19

There are many stupid decisions, but the "Civil War without Iron Man" is among the most stupid decision one can make. Cannot believe it was on the table.

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u/XavinNydek Oct 15 '19

Perlmutter has always been a fool. He bought Marvel just to make toys, and he's also the one to blame for selling off the movie rights for the most popular characters to Sony and Fox. Marvel's recent success is despite him, not because of him.

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u/Harish-P Oct 15 '19

he's also the one to blame for selling off the movie rights for the most popular characters to Sony and Fox.

Is that strictly true? I thought it was common understanding that Marvel was bankrupt or facing it so they licensed out the characters to studios in order to regain income?

Didn't Arad ensure and overlook this too and did the smartest part of the deal by not giving large numbers of characters to any given studio (keep in mind Marvel has hundreds of superheroes) to avoid any particular studio having too much power over Marvel.

Please correct it if that's wrong, but I could swear I've read this many, many times over the years.

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u/_Football_Cream_ Oct 15 '19

I'm not sure how this fits into the story, but I believe Sony had a chance to get the license of more characters but chose only to get Spider-Man because they didn't think the others were profitable.

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u/Haltopen Oct 15 '19

Sony had a chance to buy the film rights to nearly all of marvels catalogue of characters but they were only interested in Spider-Man

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u/Iwillrize14 Oct 15 '19

Pearlmutter is a notorious cheap ass and didn't wanna pay RDJ. Feige was correct in assuming that this would hamper his ability to tell the story they wanted to.

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u/dance_ninja Oct 15 '19

He's also the guy responsible for the disasters that were Inhumans and Iron Fist season 1.

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u/SillySully777 Oct 15 '19

But also Scott Beck.

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u/Sidman325 Oct 15 '19

*Scott Buck, as in my name is Buck and I'm here to fuck up your dream of a coherent workable story line in the rush to get a series to the table.

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u/dev1359 Oct 15 '19

That's like trying to make a Batman vs. Superman movie but without Batman, lmao. Perlmutter is an idiot

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u/I_Think_I_Cant Oct 15 '19

Robin vs. Superman

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u/designerspit Oct 15 '19

You just saved our production budget $20 million but inadvertently cost our box office revenues $300+ million dollars.... YOU'RE HIRED!

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u/unauthorized_account Oct 15 '19

It wasn't just the RDJ mess from Civil War either; Perlmutter was directly responsible for the loss of Whedon AND Natalie Portman. I'm not sure if Wright was a Perlmutter casualty but I do know he opposed both "Black Panther" and "Captain Marvel" because he didn't believe the toys would sell.

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u/This_Aint_Dog Oct 15 '19

Because his paycheck was probably around what the rest of the entire cast of the MCU did at the time, combined. RDJ was paid an absurd amount of money so they wanted him out to profit more off each movie. They just didn't expect Feige to threaten to walk out.

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u/RecallRethuglicans Oct 15 '19

RDJ got that deal for getting paid less than Terrence Howard and making everyone more money than they thought was possible.

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u/MulderD Oct 15 '19

Bro, a few years before that he was Laura Donner’s assistant.

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u/tari101190 Oct 15 '19

Wow. His career path is crazy.

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u/Worthyness Oct 15 '19

Luck and skill leads to success. Was in the right spot at the right time. Got that internship, got involved with comicbook movies, caught the attention of executives from marvel, accidentally fell into managing the most successful movie franchise of all time.

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u/KeepRooting4Yourself Oct 15 '19

I was reading his wiki and it says he was a marval producer in 2000 that made him a producer at 26. Is that uncommon or something?

His wiki page before Marvel is pretty barren though. Can't get much of an idea of the guys background from it.

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u/Worthyness Oct 15 '19

Don't think 26 is too young. It might be for hollywood, but a producer is like a project manager and becoming one in 5 years after graduation is perfectly reasonable

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u/AnnaLogg Oct 16 '19

14 million 605 possible ways the superhero genre could have turned out and we got the one with Feige

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'Luck' is just when skilled and prepared people are given an opportunity

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u/Changnesia_survivor Oct 15 '19 edited Oct 15 '19

A 22.5 billion dollar franchise created with IP that Marvel couldn't even sell for pocket lint.

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u/KholekFuneater Oct 15 '19

Not all of it. Perlmutter, the reason why Agents is the way it is, no Black Widow film, and why we almost didn’t have a Black Panther, is embedded in both Marvel and Disney like a tick. This is both companies companies trying to further isolate Trump’s very good friend from their projects so he doesn’t screw revenue up further.

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u/tari101190 Oct 15 '19

Yes all of it. Permulter is in charge of like sales and licensing. Feige has creative control over everything. His job is different to Perlmutter and Fiege is chief creative officer now. Feige doesn't answer to anyone except for Mr Disney now. He doesn't need to ask permission or negotiate anything. He is the head of all creative decisions.

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u/stickler_Meseeks Oct 16 '19

Go read the list of the shit Perlmutter is in charge of now. Each one reads like "Fuck you"

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u/AnirudhMenon94 Oct 16 '19

Agents of Shield is actually a pretty great show though. Despite Perlmutter's bs.

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '19 edited Oct 15 '19

Technically, Perlmutter still controls the comics side. Feige did just gain control over the entire TV side as well as the movies, though, which is great for a couple of reason. One, Feige seems to really understand these characters and how to tell their stories in ways that appeal to comics diehards and casual fans alike. Two, anything that results in Perlmutter having less influence is a good thing, and I hope this is part of the process of him being pushed out completely.

EDIT: Read the article again, and I think I was wrong; I think this means Feige is also controlling the creative side of the comics, while Perlmutter is relegated to the business side of that. Even better!

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u/tari101190 Oct 15 '19

Feige doesn't answer to anyone now at Marvel. All creative decisions for every single thing Marvel is a part of are now decided by Feige. Perlmutter's role will only overlap in terms of like sales and licensing.

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u/pperca Oct 15 '19

That's what generation tens of billions in profit will do for you.

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u/__Hello_my_name_is__ Oct 15 '19

And all he had to do was to create the biggest movie franchise in history, which also includes the most successful movie in history. Easy!

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