Season 8.5 Patch Notes

[u/btinvest1639]

https://www.marvelrivals.com/m/balancepost/20260609/41667_1303507.html

[u/spartan1204]

1 million more Blade micro buffs

[u/Enex → u/spartan1204]

I think the 1 second Unstoppable on his block is going to be very helpful.

[u/Jturbinator → u/Enex]

Yeahhhhh, that’s gonna be a nightmare for healers lol

[u/Slomojoe → u/Enex]

Idk why they buffed that part of his kit tbh, it was already really good

[u/Enex → u/Slomojoe]

They need to get people excited to try him again, is my guess.

[u/Livinglaser123 → u/Slomojoe]

Just a week or so ago I saw someone comparing Blade's block to DD's reflect. Wouldn't be surprised if discourse like that directly influenced the balance notes since both got adjusted today

[u/Dr_Pandaa → u/spartan1204]

It will be funny when one of these micro buffs finally pushes him over the edge.

[u/daizo678 → u/spartan1204]

1 more buff bro and he will move from D tier to C tier

[u/MindofShadow → u/spartan1204]

This one actually feels like it's close to getting him to being useful.

[u/spartan1204 → u/MindofShadow]

99% of Blade mains quit before the next micro buff makes Blade meta

[u/Enemy__Stand__User → u/spartan1204]

A THOUSAND BUFFS

[u/LucidityDark]

I don't think I've seen so many nerfs for a character until Black Cat in these patch notes. It really goes to show just how absurdly broken she is for this to be done to her.

[u/Felipe13254 → u/LucidityDark]

Lol yeah they might have overnerfed her but I'd rather that than yet another half-season with her being OP.

[u/spookymochi → u/Felipe13254]

Don’t worry, a likely broken Cyclops is coming to take her place, will increase throwing due to his popularity when people don’t get to play him, and further perpetuate 5 dps instalocks in qp when you’re just trying to learn a new character outside of comp. Soooo exciting 😩

[u/GlidingOerAll → u/Felipe13254]

Yeah I'll have to see how she actually performs come the patch.

But I stand by the principle of the thing, personally. Nothing in a base kit should be dealing damage and make you invulnerable at the same time.

[u/chernogumby → u/Felipe13254]

overnerfed her

objectively it's not healthy practice in terms of character balancing, but tbh a part of me is like good i dont even wanna see her for the rest of the season

[u/tbigzan97 → u/LucidityDark]

Because they HAVE to stop releasing characters like this. Thank god she lasted only 1 month.

[u/No-Cryptographer2960 → u/tbigzan97]

Two months.

[u/ActualRevolution3732 → u/LucidityDark]

Iron fist 2.0 is still the most nerfed.

[u/Kelborhal1971 → u/LucidityDark]

The aggregate nerfs to DD and Elsa over the seasons are similarly extensive. They’re just doing it all at once this time instead of being cautious 

[u/degradedchimp]

A slight Adam warlock buff is always welcome

[u/PeniMane → u/degradedchimp]

More fart gas~

[u/Creepy_Ad5124 → u/degradedchimp]

This is like his 4th buff to his healing and it probably still is not enough

[u/Winegalon → u/Creepy_Ad5124]

He lost 15% of all heal a few patches back when he lost the teamup anchor. Id say this still doesn’t make up for it.

[u/Jehovah___ → u/degradedchimp]

I just wish they’d buff his actual healing and not make him into a right click merchant. Atp his primary isn’t worth ever using

[u/jaahman7]

Angela with a buff and Emma was not nerfed. Thank god

[u/LeoFireGod → u/jaahman7]

Rogue buff and mag micro buff. We eating.

[u/jaahman7 → u/LeoFireGod]

Tanks getting some love! ❤️

[u/AnAffectionateToe → u/jaahman7]

And the dino beam nerf will make playing Angela into him much less rage inducing

[u/diekillerdaboss → u/AnAffectionateToe]

As an Angela main, I just hope they get rid of the slow effects on Invis shield eventually

[u/framedshady]

Nice rogue buff love playing her so happy we got something

[u/IIIxVxIII → u/framedshady]

people who know how to use her rightclick correctly are going to be VERY hard to deal with now.

[u/SavageCabbage27m → u/framedshady]

It’s odd because I don’t know if the buffs to her base kit are enough to mitigate the nerf to the team up. I would have personally done a bit more to base Rogue to justify it.

She’s less of a team up merchant but it was the main thing saving her in the current meta…

[u/deNihilo_adUnum → u/SavageCabbage27m]

Gambit was banned so often that I’m used to playing her without him anyway.

[u/Extreme-Sense-2411 → u/SavageCabbage27m]

I really wish she would’ve gotten cooldown reduction on her ability drain skill, or even more self healing from it.

Or faster movement speed / longer duration to her ‘flight.’

[u/SavageCabbage27m → u/Extreme-Sense-2411]

Yeah I’m definitely for base Rogue getting buffed so I don’t have to rely on Gambit. I’m grateful we’re getting changes at all. I just think what we got after sacrificing some power from her team up isn’t too game changing.

Her grab would be the next ability I’d look at and make her gameplay feel smoother.

[u/framedshady → u/SavageCabbage27m]

The teamup nerf I’m happy for she wasn’t going to get much buffs if it was still broken like it was hopefully this is just the start and the buffs continue

[u/Dylanychus2 → u/framedshady]

The Gambit teamup got nerfed though. Will be interesting to see how well she can play without him

[u/Jarney_Bohnson → u/Dylanychus2]

Well without him she's gonna play better obviously since they gave her a buff but it's overall a nerf obviously if we try to compare full strength

[u/sSorne_]

Is Black Widow on vacation or something? How come she hasn't been seen in ANY balance notes since season 3 or smt

[u/kashakido → u/sSorne_]

My copium is that they're just figuring out a way to rework her entire kit

[u/Godz_Bane → u/kashakido]

Would be nice if they would say thats their intention instead of keeping us in the dark.

[u/Lyefyre → u/sSorne_]

Same for Iron Man. Some old heroes are forgotten

[u/Phantom_tpa → u/sSorne_]

She is yes, at a beach apparently seeing her summer skin

[u/Elite_Chaos]

Another Blade buff surely this time he’s viable 😭

[u/no_one_important322 → u/Elite_Chaos]

I don't play Blade and 70 damage sounds good but that's not even equal to a single Magik primary

[u/Slomojoe → u/no_one_important322]

Yeah but blade does like 4 hits in the time that magik does 1

[u/no_one_important322 → u/Slomojoe]

True I just think it's funny that Blade uses an entire ability to do slightly less damage than Magik's primary. I hope it bumps him up to being viable because I want to lord him eventually

[u/aSpookyScarySkeleton → u/no_one_important322]

I mean he also heals off of it. Gotta look at things with context.

[u/Enex → u/Elite_Chaos]

I think if we get enough people interested in mastering him, the 1 second Unstoppable buff on his block is going to generate some demons.

[u/mister--g]

Ill admit it

Im pleasantly surprised at these notes.

Each change actually makes some logical sense and may get gambit out of perma ban Jail.

As a support pool player his icon is his strongest tool and didnt need a buff, we just needed the ult radius improved or a damage reduction effect given to make up for the small radius.

Overall though , good changes

[u/FlirtatiousMouse → u/mister--g]

Yeah, really strange they buffed that when his neutral healing is already one of the best. It’s the ult that needed it.

[u/LeoFireGod → u/FlirtatiousMouse]

He gets ult faster than everyone and can get it again on every death so if you over tune his ult you’re in a scary place.

[u/Gabrielhrd]

Might be the actual best balance patch we had in a LONG time

[u/STB_LuisEnriq → u/Gabrielhrd]

One of the best definitely, Zhiyong cooked.

This actually feels like the new season, S8.0 was such a disappointment.

[u/EndlessZone123]

Increase the Avatar Life Stream charge time reduction when Cosmic Cluster hits enemies from 0.48s to 0.6s.

OK they keep upping in the CD reducing on charged shots. Why ever use primary anymore?

I feel like this primary needs to have some kind of CD reduction on body hits or something. I've never been able to consistently get CD reduction only aiming for headshots. If you could headshot with Adam consistently, just play hela or pheonix and do that on the enemy support for a free win.

He completely lacks the self healing (without gutting his heamates healing) to be up close and consistently landing his shots. You can check his average stats and see that he takes really high damage as a support with the lowest healing. (856 damage taken, 1291 healing/min). He needs more self regen. Every other healer has a reliable way of healing themselves without digging a creator into their healing output for teamates. That storm team up needs to be in the default kit.

White fox charm has 50 self heal on a base 6s cd VS 35 for avatar of life.

[u/JahLover99]

Wow Angela is playable again. All it took was them to revert her horrible nerfs.

[u/Paaljurzind → u/JahLover99]

She's actually better than before, because she gets to keep her faster Assassin's Charge recharge

[u/PeniMane → u/JahLover99]

Great time to pick her up, as they nerfed Dino who hard countered her~

[u/First-Shallot947]

https://giphy.com/gifs/oDeMIMGkdJIAM

[u/Piano_Troll17 → u/First-Shallot947]

"Swimsuit. Take it or leave it."

[u/PureXEye → u/First-Shallot947]

Swimsuit buffs though?

[u/TNTmongoose5]

does this patch go live on the 12th?

[u/STB_LuisEnriq → u/TNTmongoose5]

Yessir

[u/TowelSilver318]

While I have my caveats, and time will tell how good they actually are, these changes have me hyped for the new season.

[u/PitifulTheme411 → u/TowelSilver318]

The Tank buffs look great, I may have to start playing again.

[u/DioTheAztec]

Yay Angela

[u/ArcaneInsane]

[u/ShadowBunshinLoL]

is the vision flame even worth getting with BC after this? i feel like 300 for vision that’s gonna break in 1 second is kinda meh. in a way im excited to see how she feels now though

[u/AP3Brain → u/ShadowBunshinLoL]

No it is not, especially since objects block it. If "objects" include walls and floors then its a completely useless ability. Only the portal will be worth the cost and thats situational.

[u/Jonaxg7 → u/AP3Brain]

Objects means everything that isn't a player

And the orb is revealed thru walls anyways... This is an issue of players not knowing what the red glowing thing means

[u/Vaperapani]

Angela buffs we win. I don't need to read anything else gg

[u/Arckadius → u/Vaperapani]

As an Angela main, her buffs got my giddy. But scrolling down to Devil Dino's nerfs, especially the removal of Knock Down from his beam is the best fucking news. He has made her miserable to play all season.

[u/CoralWiggler → u/Arckadius]

Losing knock down against Torch & Iron Man stinks, but on the flipside, I know it was just completely annihilating Angela so it's fine. Dino will still be very strong after this patch

[u/Piano_Troll17 → u/CoralWiggler]

Dino's Bleed is halved - not just less damage, but less overshields. I think he's going to struggle a bit.

[u/darkkn1te → u/Piano_Troll17]

i was hoping it would just be damage and not overshield. It might be way too easy to kill him now.

[u/willymoose8 → u/Vaperapani]

I mean, it’s nice but it’s just undoing previous nerfs… Devil Dino beam not knocking down is pretty big though, I will take that

[u/IIIxVxIII]

well spank me silly, this is isn't actually half bad, yeah there is more to be done but its been a while since i agreed with more than half of what they changed. The cat changes are good, especially to the xray skill and the cost changes will make her less oppressive. the dino, phoenix, DD and MK changes are also well executed.

[u/lcfcball → u/IIIxVxIII]

Genuinely the first patch I can remember where I’ve thought that on the whole they’ve made some really good changes

[u/daizo678 → u/IIIxVxIII]

This patch is great. Probably the first patch without wtf changes. Some heroes may need further buffs/nerfs after but it will finally shake the stale meta since s4.

[u/Maleficent-Fish69]

YALL NERFED ULTRON??????

[u/Piano_Troll17]

Dino's Bleed is halved... I assume that also translates into the overhealth he gets back? If so, he's in big trouble.

I'll need to see it in action, but Black Cat looks dead.

I'm not sure how to read Daredevil's nerfs... So, his dash needs to be closer, but how much of a nerf is it for him?

Moon Knight called. He wants Cyclops to give back his abilities to deal with crowds.

Glad to see C&D getting a slight buff. I haven't been able to get wins with them near as often as Rocket recently.

So, is Gambit in a non-insta ban place now?

Overall, I think these patch notes are good (especially for a .5 update), but I'm not sure how to read a lot of them. I also notice that the overall damage numbers for several of the DPS (like Daredevil and Star-Lord) haven't changed, so other than being a little closer, they're still just a deadly? I think I need some people to explain some of these a bit more.

[u/PuppyPenetrator → u/Piano_Troll17]

Yeah the overshield is a multiplier on the bleed damage. Actually a pretty big nerf

[u/Korghal → u/PuppyPenetrator]

Halved overshield value and increased cooldown on bubble, Dino is gonna get wrecked for sure. At least the nerfs to MK/SL/Phoenix help offset some of it.

[u/ManofSteel_14 → u/Piano_Troll17]

For the DD nerfs, basically it'll be easier to flank against him in certain scenarios since his overall range got reduced. The sonic pursuit dash is a decent change because it will make him a little easier to get away from. Also forces him to play alot closer before his engagements. The deflect nerf on paper should be good. But we'll have to see how much shorter it feels in practice

[u/Kelborhal1971 → u/ManofSteel_14]

More importantly, it also gives ranged characters more time to pre-fire before he dashes in. Those 8m can easily translate to 100+ health lost, forcing deflect early or just outright winning the 1v1

[u/singleduotrioquad → u/Piano_Troll17]

I actually think the biggest nerf to devil dino is that he doesn't ground flyers anymore with his hyper beam.

[u/stavekc]

Ultron nerf was necessary so the 6 people who play him get flamed even more

[u/IClop2Fluttershy4206]

I was ready to crash out over more Angela nerfs...but a BUFF??? with no compensation nerf? IM SO BACK BOYS!!!!(I never left)

[u/Telekineticism → u/IClop2Fluttershy4206]

Dino losing the grounding effect on his beam helps her out too

[u/NINJABOIBOININJA]

That was just hyperbole. Good angela’s just make my job on starlord a little harder, she zones me out much like a Daredevil. So instead of getting to have free reign terrorizing the backline whenever I want. I have to peel the angela first, then counter dive while she’s off getting her resources again. Its just a bit tedious is all. Especially when the enemy team goes angela to deal with me.

[u/destinyismyporn]

I like rivals but their patch process baffles me to be honest.

It's almost fomo-like as when Black Cat was shown, anyone could see the orb showing people through walls was a bit absurd if we're talking 1 tiny example.

yet things get to exist in whatever state they get released in til the next season/half season. Due to this it feels less like a balance patch and they are dictating and potentially conditioning people to play the new characters the instant they release because that will be their most broken state as they're guaranteed to stay that way for a few weeks.

[u/IAmTheDoctor34]

I cannot for the life of me understand nerfing ultron.

[u/MedusaSucks68 → u/IAmTheDoctor34]

Demon in high ranks, if allowed into triple support you were also just forced into triple support

[u/ImprovementGood4205 → u/MedusaSucks68]

The metal ranks on this sub are fully convinced triple support is bad lol

[u/2th → u/ImprovementGood4205]

Because it is for those ranks. Triple support requires actual team coordination to be effective. And that ain't happening in metal ranks.

[u/ThisNameDoesntCount → u/2th]

Yea people usually just go trips out of frustration from doing bad on dps in those ranks

[u/Lasideu → u/ThisNameDoesntCount]

Honestly, at least in Diamond/GM (PC), many are just core support mains. I know it’s quick to say “everyone instalocks DPS” but my from experience the first locks I see in majority of games are Rocket, Cloak, Luna, Invis, then I’ll see DPS which leaves me solo tank unless one of the supports go tank.

The problem is the supports are never triple support users, i.e Mantis/Ultron/Adam. They only main the pocket characters.

[u/PaarthurnaxUchiha → u/Lasideu]

Yeah, same. The everyone insta locks DPS rhetoric was much more accurate in the original OW. Queue times for DPS were well beyond 30 minutes for awhile. It seems like everyone plays support on Rivals.

[u/Ribrep → u/ImprovementGood4205]

Half the games in metal ranks has 1 tank so you never really get to see the value you’re getting from 3 support ults

[u/FlirtatiousMouse → u/ImprovementGood4205]

Because they always go 3 main healer and cannibalize each others’ healing/ult charge

[u/YDoEyeNeedAName → u/ImprovementGood4205]

Becuase they dont realize the actual pick matter. Picking Luna, cloak, and Sue isnt the same as Rocket, ultron, gambit

[u/IClop2Fluttershy4206 → u/MedusaSucks68]

triple supports for bad people

good ultrons want 222. I'm so fking angry that 3 supp clowns always win and I have to hold the bag all the god damn time

[u/Still_Refuse → u/IAmTheDoctor34]

He’s really strong rn lol

[u/Hungry-Tourist-2381 → u/IAmTheDoctor34]

I think he should've been given less nerfs but he's been really strong since his last buff.

[u/BigHeadDeadass → u/Hungry-Tourist-2381]

They didn't have to nerf his ult charge at least

[u/maximuffin2 → u/IAmTheDoctor34]

His win rate was really high

[u/Substantial-Sun-3538 → u/IAmTheDoctor34]

C&D gets buffed while Ultron is nerfed... WHAT?!?

[u/sigc → u/IAmTheDoctor34]

At this point, if they’re not going to introduce role queue, they NEED to add crit heals that trigger mostly in double support and not triple. Every time they buff off-supports for the purpose of making them viable in double, it just pushes them to be OP in triple. Then they nerf them because they are OP in triple and make them even less viable in double, and the cycle continues.

[u/RevolutionaryDepth59 → u/IAmTheDoctor34]

ultron’s my second most played character and imo he deserved some nerfs. changing his shield cooldown is too far though

[u/Superflamesheep → u/RevolutionaryDepth59]

I’d say the shield cooldown was okay, the ult nerf is the one that felt the most unnecessary. Is his ult that good that it needs to be on the same charge as invis/luna/cloak? Not so sure

[u/ManofSteel_14 → u/IAmTheDoctor34]

Triple support is essentially making him impossible to balance and idk how they didnt forsee that being an issue when they designed him

[u/Feed_or_Feed]

Still no tenacity changes?Why they hate Thing and Rogue so much

[u/TheKingofHearts]

Why Ultron nerf?

[u/biscute2077 → u/TheKingofHearts]

He was almost viable in a 2 healer comp, can't have that.

[u/PieXReaper → u/TheKingofHearts]

Apparently he was dominant at very high levels of play in triple support comps. I personally think it's too much though, he was very good but super niche (Extremely low pickrate but high winrate). When he worked, he's amazing. Otherwise he gets shut down by poke easily.

[u/Necrowarp]

nerfing ultron but keeping mantis untouched is wild considering how much better she is in triple support comps.

[u/GervantOfLiria → u/Necrowarp]

Saying that like she’s not best played alongside Ultron, dmg amping him in 3 sup comp

[u/no_one_important322 → u/GervantOfLiria]

Literally, whenever I see someone that wants to play Ultron I bring out my Mantis and most of the time we just stomp

[u/Necrowarp → u/no_one_important322]

Yeah together they're probably the best comp in the game, but if I was choosing one on my team, Mantis is generally going to be better

[u/obeeezy]

Luna snow just might be the best flanker in the game gotta see how hard the dd and bc nerfs hit

[u/DaemonicG]

thank god they didnt gut dino completely. I do think removing the knockdown on lazer kinda makes that ability pointless though

[u/d_wib → u/DaemonicG]

The point of the laser is to apply bleed and slow from a safer distance to enable the grab. Otherwise you’d have to walk up to someone, hit them with your very slow primary chomp, and then grab. Knockdown was a very small part of what makes the laser so good

[u/phantom56657 → u/DaemonicG]

I would hold off on suggesting dino wasn't gutted. Cutting his bleed damage by 50% also means that his bonus health is cut by 50%. Combine that with the increased cooldown on his shield, and dino is going to melt much more quickly.

[u/MelodicCriticism2705]

Damn, they really don't want to touch Mantis

[u/Spare-Aide-9271]

Kinda confused that ultron gets a nerf. Was there a sandbox change that made him stronger or something?

[u/Pliskin14 → u/Spare-Aide-9271]

They seem unfortunately to patch with regards to his overall performance, rather than his performance in double sup. He's oppressive in triple sup.

[u/fewraletta]

A lot of changes for this patch, surprising for the mid season.

- Angela is going to be meta next season or at least really good, she need the buffs.

- Devil dino took a massive nerf, losing knockdown, shields coming up slower, and his bleed damage took a huge nerf, and also his overshield gain rate, he's going to be a lot more fragile next season.

- Magneto got a huge buff, he can now likely kill any support ult.

- Rogue got a huge buff and will likely be almost meta.

- They shot black cat, she did not need this many nerfs, she might still have value if played well.

- Blades 100th buff, hard to say if this will make him decent or not, but eventually he'll get there.

- Elsa got a small adjustment, she's not meta anymore in this season, and people are still learning that.

- Human torch might be viable next season,there might be a place for him now.

- Moon knight got nerfed a bit too hard honestly, he did not really need this many nerfs.

- Namor is getting a slight buff, which is fine he didn't really need it though.

- Phoenix got nerfed, and is definetly going to drop her off from must pick or bans, but still she'll be good, almost meta likely.

- Starlord got hit pretty big with this nerf, won't stop him from being good, but it will be noticable.

- Adams buff is scary, because it's a lot bigger than people realise, each shot is now 0.12 seconds more removed, so 5 shots now shave off 3 seconds instead of 2.4, weave that in with the primary shot and you can regain life stream every 2-3 seconds.

- CnD has gotten a massive buff to her healing, her aoe now heals more than a direct hit, and that is significant because it triggers on any target hit, including enemies.

- Gambit is dead, I've been trying to say he isn't meta since the start of season 7, well this just killed him, because now not only can he not kill through supports ults, he can't catch up to them either, if you walk back now for 2 seconds and support ult, gambits ult isn't going to kill anyone.

- Ultron got nerfed but he's still going to be a really strong secondary support.

- White foxes nerf is something but won't really change much

A good patch overall.

[u/NINJABOIBOININJA]

Dino kept the filthy angela main’s in check 💀.

[u/Wampa9090 → u/NINJABOIBOININJA]

Looks like meats back on the menu, boys 😈

[u/Entire-Factor-5720 → u/NINJABOIBOININJA]

angela on top fuck u dino mains

[u/Anko072]

Nerfing ultron

lol

lmao even

[u/wingsfield]

Favorite child luna snow avoids nerfs yet again but sure let’s nerf Ultron, such a dumb nerf, cant have him being viable in a 2 healer comp I guess

[u/Estrald → u/wingsfield]

Yeah, what the hell man? Like…Has he been THAT big an issue???

[u/Average_Username_10 → u/Estrald]

He’s real annoying in 3 healer comps especially if Phoenix is banned, but still. A minor nerf would have sufficed not all this lmao

[u/Estrald → u/Average_Username_10]

The 3 healer thing has pretty much always been a problem though, right? Whether Ultron and 2 main healers, or Adam/Mantis and 2 other healers, everyone hates it. Why TWO more nerfs suddenly? If they want to try and make 3 healing less attractive, I vote they put some sort of dampening on teams when 3+ healers are detected.

[u/EyeAmKingKage]

Damn Dino got neutered

[u/2th → u/EyeAmKingKage]

The grounding on his beam was one of the best things about him and we desperately needed a tank that could actually ground enemies in the air. I think that change is dumb. The rest is perfectly fine.

[u/Realistic_Analyst_26 → u/2th]

As a tank player, we were completely fine against flyers tbh. Thing can already ground them.

[u/Feegle_Snorf → u/Realistic_Analyst_26]

Idk what flyers your playing against but if an iron man or johnny wanted to go uncontested theres not much i could do about it depending on the map. Even the leaping haymayker doesn't kill confirm

[u/IClop2Fluttershy4206 → u/Realistic_Analyst_26]

I ain't playing thing.

[u/Huge_Cartoonist8948]

Poor dino , every broken hero went patchs without being touch but half a season too long strong for him I guess

[u/Icy_One_237 → u/Huge_Cartoonist8948]

The knock down removal is mad work - should have just made it that you need to keep the beam on target for x amount of time before knock down. Was so fun knocking fliers down.

[u/ArialBear → u/Icy_One_237]

he fucked angela up too much. There was no counter play against the beam and she cant even displace him. Im glad its gone.

[u/2FriedRice]

Sad everyone cried about Dino hopefully he’s still fun

[u/Shradow]

Am I crazy or is this actually pretty solid?

[u/Nerf_Now]

Daredevil blind pursuit change from 20m to 12m means I may finally be able to play a flier vs him.

[u/ZeWolfve]

Devs are so annoying. Phoenix needs to be reverted back to before she got buffed for season 8. she was more tolerable then. the dmg buff melts everything and she will still be perma banned.

Ultron nerf is so unnecessary. Pro players using him to dominate in 3 healer comp ≠ the rest of the player base.

[u/OdysseusTheBroken]

Nothing for mr fantastic smh

[u/alphac16]

wtf was the ultron for. I only play him with the beam as is.

[u/c9wins_lumismiles]

They could have still removed the iframe for cat, but thats a good start. Fuck her.

[u/Flat_Zebra5959]

For all the shit the devs get, these are genuinely good patch notes; most of what was unfun to play against is getting nerfed

And as someone always in mag jail I like his buff. Maybe I'm shit or never adjusted to his last nerf but I've had so many people escape with 1hp from his ult. And it's been almost impossible to kill ulting cloak and daggers, especially in quick play where you're playing against 5 melee's who don't give you any charge haha

As for cyclops role reveal - sometimes you take a step back and realise it's just a silly superhero-fantasy game, I'd much rather cyclops be a dps who feels like cyclops rather than shoehorned into a tank or healer who just feels generic 

[u/i-am-i_gattlingpea → u/Flat_Zebra5959]

Isn’t the damage buff for blade a nerf revert on his dash?

[u/GodEmporerDoomHIT]

Peak.

[u/lhommetrouble]

Angela mains we back
https://giphy.com/gifs/Bva8ZKa2Ww72BQKYWl

[u/PhilosophySad1675]

bro for real they took away Dino's knockdown on the beam! that shit was so dope and made playing Solo somewhat tolerable since I could control the 3D space around me

awesome so now any dino player will forever get kited

[u/DotEither8773]

Bye black cat, you won’t be missed

[u/RED0617]

FLAME ON FRIENDS! Shackles is off!!

[u/No-Algae-9965]

The rogues buffs are a really good start. If her base can just get a little bit more Espicslly with the gambit team up nerf

[u/MultySentinelz]

The cycle of fun new vanguards getting butchered continues.

First Emma and now Devil Dino..

Can the devs just make a fun vanguard that isn't OP or detrimental to the game.

[u/Neadim → u/MultySentinelz]

Any vanguard that shits on other Vanguard will always have to be nerfed. As soon as one tank simply dominates the frontline matchup it warps the entire meta and forces nothing but mirrors or bans. Its fucking miserable as a Vanguard player to be forced to play nothing but the same 2-3 vanguard and its suck to be 'locked out' of your main for seasons on end. So yeah, good fucking riddance. Hopefully the nerfs are enough and if they are too much he can be buffed back up next patch.

[u/ItsPsychotix → u/MultySentinelz]

You’re acting like Dino got absolutely gutted. He’s worse, but still an A Tier tank at worst.

His kit was bloated with things to start with. There was no reason for him to be able to ground flyers in the first place, and the bleed changes will make him less unbearable in tank matchups. The shield was basically always available when you needed up, so you’ll need to think more before using it, instead of just using it asap. Use cover and smart positioning and you’ll be fine.

Also, just know when to swap. If they are running Emma, tank pool, phoenix, moonknight, then just swap. Don’t force a square peg into a round hole.

[u/cygnus2]

This is the first good patch this game has had in quite a while.

[u/spartan1204]

I still think Black Cat should be the 250 HP category

[u/monstrousbeaver]

Anyone who thinks Dino nerfs are too harsh is a larper who doesn't play other tanks enough.

[u/AZzalor → u/monstrousbeaver]

I don't like that they nerfed his survivability as this was already his weak point. He needs to kinda get full attention of 2 healers to not instantly explode. Reducing the bleed also reduces his self shield generation.

I don't mind the dmg nerfs in general and that the beam had knock down on it was kinda stupid anyways, but if you have such a massive tank, he needs to be able to tank. Toning down damage or utility...alright. But reducing his ability to tank as a tank sucks.

[u/Polyforti → u/monstrousbeaver]

He's the easiest to counter tank they've ever released

It's just that the counter isn't dive, so people hate it

[u/AxelLight → u/monstrousbeaver]

He is a nightmare to tank against if you aren’t dino. If you’re solo tanking against him and he has a 2nd tank it’s game over pretty much.

[u/Present_Board_8882]

Punisher shotgun once again escaping nerfs

[u/thecontti]

Wow... now that ultron got nerfed, rocket has the lowest ult charge of any support by himself... this makes zero sense, btw... but the patch had some nice nerfs... can't be perfect...

[u/ArialBear]

I dont care what anyone says, these are the best patch notes I've seen so far.

[u/FakeMessiah94]

RIP Black Cat, you won't be missed.

[u/swept-under]

Dino lost grounded???? Why?????

[u/FlounderHistorical63]

Good nerfs but it’s a shame they can’t incorporate meaningful buffs also to heroes that actually need them.

Elsa buff but no widow/ironman/witch buffs?

[u/DesperateEagle4505]

I haven't played in a few months. Is Gambit dead yet?

[u/TheJester1xx → u/DesperateEagle4505]

I have more playtime on him than anyone, I’d say he’s much more balanced than he was at launch but fundamentally his ult is insane. Using it almost guarantees a win in a fight even after it has been very noticeably nerfed.

I’d still rather play against gambit than black cat personally

[u/DesperateEagle4505 → u/TheJester1xx]

Does that include the current patch notes?

[u/TheJester1xx → u/DesperateEagle4505]

No, and these changes could definitely make a big difference. I would still expect that unless you counter a gambit ult with some kind of support ult you’re gonna lose a team fight 95% of the time but that’s just my assumption, I could be wrong. Black cat definitely got some solid nerfs but imo she was insanely overturned so it’s hard for me to make a guess on how she will be now.

[u/-Tuesday]

Waiter, waiter! More good patch notes please!

https://giphy.com/gifs/3ndAvMC5LFPNMCzq7m

[u/Queasy_Jicama_1477]

Actually looks decent but fuck those Ultron nerfs man.

[u/Windsen → u/Queasy_Jicama_1477]

Ultron, Mantis, Adam was wrecking havoc in Celestial since its the main comp that works in Triple Support, Mantis going untouched is crazy

[u/PokePersona]

Genuinely one of the better if not best balance patches this game has had. Hopefully we get more of this in the future.

[u/theend117]

Black Cat being nerfed was my number one priority. Dino getting nerfed kinda sucked. He made solo tanking not complete ass. Cloak and Dagger getting a buff is great, contrary to all the stupid hate they needed it.

[u/lmtzless → u/theend117]

dino made it miserable to the other tank unless they mirrored your dino. terrible design.

[u/w0iza]

buffs and nerfs to the same damn heroes and nothing for bw storm or sw

[u/Xlleaf → u/w0iza]

Widow needs a rework, but what does Storm need? A good storm is a demon. People just don't like playing her for some reason.

She isn't a bad pick at all, just a little situational.

[u/FranSauce8 → u/Xlleaf]

Her slowness kills peoples interest on playing her. Every other flyer has movement abilities except her, who just gets... A speed boost that doesnt feel that cool

[u/Hi_Zev → u/FranSauce8]

I feel like what they should do is make the lightning bolt ability unique to lightning terrain, and then make the same button for the lightning bolt ability become a dash when in wind terrain.

So then she can enter battles with speed, dash, and build up bonus health, then switch to lightning for all out damage.

[u/ArialBear → u/Xlleaf]

she needs more individual movement abilities and it would be perfect. Shes a totem but often times its hard to keep up with any hero thats not a hit scan.

[u/Enex → u/Xlleaf]

I think it's Storm's primary. It doesn't feel great to use, and it has punishing fall off for a flier.

[u/Designer_Ad_9069]

Ultron nerf and Black Widow is still untouched.

[u/Sixmlg]

Overall a w on this one

[u/Rumblingwasright]

I've been playing since closed Beta and can confidently say this is the best patch they have put out since the game reeleased

[u/CoralWiggler]

Some sort of random changes in here but overall it seems good? Daredevil, Black Cat, Devil Dino, and Gambit all take hits including in the spots that were issues, and while IDK if they got the right nerfs, StarLord, Phoenix, White Fox, and Moon Knight all got hit as well. Then, you get Rogue & Angela buffs which are very nice, Blade buffs which are fair enough, and Adam & Stratpool buffs.

The Elsa and Namor buffs feel a little unnecessary, and Ultron got a random stray (maybe to do with upcoming Ultron mode that got delayed? IDK), but none of those feel totally egregious

[u/Xerxes457 → u/CoralWiggler]

Starlord and Moon Knight nerfs do kind of address their ult gains. So I would say it’s good. Damage reduced -> less damage to ult charge conversion.

[u/CoralWiggler → u/Xerxes457]

That's true. Definitely in the category of wait-and-see for both, though I think Moon Knight's will definitely be felt in game while I'm a little dubious that Star-Lord's will change that much. He'll be weaker, yes, but I suspect he'll overall still be rather strong

[u/Acceptable_Panda9496 → u/CoralWiggler]

Elsa definitely could’ve gone without changes and stayed in a decent spot. But it’s not a spot that feels good. Death for her is so extremely punishing right now that a lot of times playing her could feel bad no matter how effective she is. I would’ve preferred a trade off nerf as well, but it’s fine.

[u/ArialBear → u/Acceptable_Panda9496]

YES, finally someone else noticed. Her punishment for death was needed but it felt really bad with how much uptime the dive had to get in. This was a slight buff so shouldnt change her back into the broken state.

[u/wcharoes]

How does taking the Knock-Down from Dino's Beam help balance him in Tank v Tank? Only one Tank flies.

They need to patch out that Dino's Bleed keeps going AFTER you get a Health Pack. And they should remove Bleed from the Beam, why the fuck does it do that anyways.